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tj444 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 9:33:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


On the whole "NDA" subject ...

I'm assuming they're signed fairly shortly after an incident?

I know it's an assumption, but I'm going to go with it:

I make allowances for trauma. I have PTSD, myself. That said, I can't help, but feel some ... I want to be careful, here ... I can't think of the word.

I think that anyone that signs an NDA, at the time that they sign it, are thinking less about protecting others and more about getting that check that requires an NDA to begin with.

I admit: my thinking could be wrong on this, but I think I worded it correctly so, I will probably stand by it.



Michael



The ptsd from rape can last decades.. at the time, the pain is so intense that few want to go public about it, which is why rape was so under-reported 20 years ago (& still is even today)... she was young, naive, and he was the powerful one who obviously had been down that road (hushing up his rapes/assaults) before so she didnt stand a chance against him & his lawyer.. That certainly seems to be his MO as its gone on for 2-3 decades.. According to one article, she only found out last summer that the original settlement didnt actually have a nondisclosure attached to it (as she had believed/been told) which is when she finally went public about it.. But just before she went public, apparently sleazy friends of the rapist pig offered her $1 million to keep quiet and she turned that down.. so if it was really about the money then you would think she would have taken the $1 million offer.. its pretty apparent that she isnt "over it", even 20 years later.. Now, how many women have come forward about the rapist pig? 50 or so? which you know is just the tip of the iceberg, imo there are many more of his victims who still cant come forward about their ordeals with the rapist pig...

"Mr. Weinstein, his accusers say, built his long history of abusing women on a risky gamble that worked for him over and over — the assumption that money or threats could buy women’s silence on a subject so intimate and painful that most would prefer not to go public anyway. "

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/28/us/rose-mcgowan-harvey-weinstein.html




WhoreMods -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 10:11:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

McGowan & Manson split in 2001. According to her, his drug use was the primary issue. This is the same year she replaced Shannen Doherty on Charmed, which was a huge role for her.

The rape occurred in '97 though, so I'd imagine the blacklisting happened very shortly after.

Thanks. It sounds like Herman might have preferred that she wasn't working much and they split up when she started to work her way around the blacklist from those dates, then.




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 11:29:23 AM)

She said in a Howard Stern interview that she got terribly bored travelling with him on tour.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 12:15:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I'm sure you're correct. In this case it was a tool of a powerful man used to further stifle a traumatized victim. I'd personally not believe it was binding if I sat on a jury with Weinstein claiming a contractual breach. The only power it had, in my opinion, is gone now that Weinstein hasn't the power to blackball her anymore.



I would suggest that such NDAs are illegal even, in as much as the may mention the instrument to which they are attached.

If I pay you $200 because I want you to kill some lying scumbag and you don't kill them, I can't sue you for the money because the contract is illegal.

Similarly, if the agreement by which I pay you $1,000,000 to not tell anyone I touched you in your "bad place" is in any way connected to the NDA that you have to sign get your $1,000,000, I would posit that the NDA is invalid, on its face.

No?

Anyway, my point was about the motivation behind one being willing to sign a NDA, in the first place. I wonder how altruistic their motives are, at that point?



Michael




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 12:55:08 PM)

Most NDA's have a time limit, and nearly all are null & void once the information is otherwise released.

State law would be the place to look for details on the legalities.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 1:17:34 PM)


le sigh

I'll do this ONE MORE TIME

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Anyway, my point was about the motivation behind one being willing to sign a NDA, in the first place. I wonder how altruistic their motives are, at that point?






Michael




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 1:33:20 PM)

Maybe think about the politics of 1997 & 98. How many women spoke out against Bubba? How many were believed? How many were ripped to shreds in the tabloids and media?

This is what girls & women saw. This was the culture.

What hope did one actress have, with just her word against his?




tj444 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 1:37:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I'm sure you're correct. In this case it was a tool of a powerful man used to further stifle a traumatized victim. I'd personally not believe it was binding if I sat on a jury with Weinstein claiming a contractual breach. The only power it had, in my opinion, is gone now that Weinstein hasn't the power to blackball her anymore.



I would suggest that such NDAs are illegal even, in as much as the may mention the instrument to which they are attached.

If I pay you $200 because I want you to kill some lying scumbag and you don't kill them, I can't sue you for the money because the contract is illegal.

Similarly, if the agreement by which I pay you $1,000,000 to not tell anyone I touched you in your "bad place" is in any way connected to the NDA that you have to sign get your $1,000,000, I would posit that the NDA is invalid, on its face.

No?

Anyway, my point was about the motivation behind one being willing to sign a NDA, in the first place. I wonder how altruistic their motives are, at that point?

Michael



She has said she didnt want to settle with him, but everyone around her, advising her to... she was young, only 23 or so, and she has a sexual harassment/assault lawyer telling her she cant win.. and her own manager, Ms Messick, pushed her to settle, then not long after her manager goes off to work for a company the rapist pig ran... sure looks like she was betrayed and sold out by her own manager!..
I expect that many of those around her and the other women he assaulted were actually looking out for themselves, not wanting to have a client that makes waves, and pushed these women into settling...

When someone runs into you with their car, no one has any problems suing, but rape is very different, its something that is hard to go public with, but in both cases, the harmed party should be compensated for the harm done to them, that still doesnt make it go away or necessarily compensate them fully...

"She said she told Ms. Messick, then of Addis-Wechsler & Associates, what had occurred. “She held me,” Ms. McGowan said. “She put her arms around me.”

But in the months to come, Ms. McGowan did not feel supported by her management team. She was referred to a lawyer specializing in sexual harassment and assault cases who, Ms. McGowan said, gave her the impression that filing a criminal charge was hopeless. “She was like, ‘You’re an actress, you’ve done a sex scene, you’re done,’” she recalled.

Anne Woodward, now a manager herself, was a young assistant in Ms. Messick’s office at the time, and was in on many of Ms. Messick’s calls. “I remember that Rose was extremely upset and did not want to settle,” Ms. Woodward said. “She wanted to fight.” No one around her, as Ms. Woodward recalls, supported that instinct. “It was an emotionally shocking way to see a woman being treated,” Ms. Woodward said. “That’s what stuck with me.”

Both Ms. Woodward and Ms. McGowan were shocked when, only a few months afterward, Ms. Messick accepted a job working as vice president for development at Miramax, then run by Mr. Weinstein. Ms. Messick did not respond to a request for comment."


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/28/us/rose-mcgowan-harvey-weinstein.html




Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 1:44:51 PM)

I have a feeling its come to the fore more recently because of trump and his pussy grabbing, bringing bills accusers to the debates and then calling his accusers liars.

Millions of women & men saw that their assault nightmares were just cannon fodder for derision, blaming and ignoring, and got fed up..


I wonder what would happen if Trumps various NDAs were brought to light,say marlas, or ivanas...




Nnanji -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 1:54:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a feeling its come to the fore more recently because of trump and his pussy grabbing, bringing bills accusers to the debates and then calling his accusers liars.

Millions of women & men saw that their assault nightmares were just cannon fodder for derision, blaming and ignoring, and got fed up..


I wonder what would happen if Trumps various NDAs were brought to light,say marlas, or ivanas...

Well, there you go. When you actually offer an opinion it shows how little you know. No wonder you do it so rarely. Just want to spew hate on Trump with a tread derail.

Here, I even included the first paragraph for you. From 2004, long before Trump was your object of hate:




https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-ny-times-reporter-says-paper-refused-negative-story-on-harvey-weinstein_2337285.html

quote:

A former Hollywood reporter for the NY Times brings to light that they squashed a Harvey Weinstein story she wrote for the paper back in 2004.




Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:01:12 PM)

you actually just proved my point.
THe story was hidden for 13 years...why??? it wasnt popular.


PS the title of the topic is
Pussies grab back, how is that not calling back to what trump said.




Nnanji -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:06:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you actually just proved my point.
THe story was hidden for 13 years...why??? it wasnt popular.


PS the title of the topic is
Pussies grab back, how is that not calling back to what trump said.


I love how you dance to my tune.




Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:09:10 PM)

hah taking the piss out of your mental midgetry is too easy
Oh and Ive hated trump since the 70s, but please grasp for more




WhoreMods -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:12:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a feeling its come to the fore more recently because of trump and his pussy grabbing, bringing bills accusers to the debates and then calling his accusers liars.

Millions of women & men saw that their assault nightmares were just cannon fodder for derision, blaming and ignoring, and got fed up..


I wonder what would happen if Trumps various NDAs were brought to light,say marlas, or ivanas...

I think all three of his ex wives have NDAs on them, don't they?
Perhaps more interestingly, in the light of Rose McGowan refusing to be paid off by Weinstein, it's been alleged that Karen MacDougal (a former Playboy model) was paid to keep schtum about her having spent most of a year shagging him behind Melania's back with a very generous payment from the Enquirer, which has been justified by claims that it was just an advance on her salary for churning out various columns and photoshoots for a variety of AMI publications. Questions have been asked about that as she was paid $150,000 for a story which it appeared the Enquirer (very, very pro-Spacehopper) bought purely to stop her taking it elsewhere and actually getting it published in the lamestream fake news media.




Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:19:34 PM)

dunno, but arent there only two exes??? so far anyway...
I havent read much on ROse, altho I did know she had spoken out about it before.
Look how little interest cosby got, except the trial part.
the women were liars, gold diggers....(and still are in some eyes.)
Playboy and trump have a long history, (which is where I came across him, in the mag, not in person)
I had heard the karen mcdougal thang, but didnt get into it..national enquirer brings me out in hives:)




wmsub4YOU2use -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:26:10 PM)

Perhaps you can quote where lucylastic dances to your Orange Cult you fuking howling lying nutter? Or are you going to continue to make absurd claim after absurd claim and boast to all no truer words were spoken by a an utter lying cunt such as your muck ninja

Dance with me





WhoreMods -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:29:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

dunno, but arent there only two exes??? so far anyway...
I havent read much on ROse, altho I did know she had spoken out about it before.
Look how little interest cosby got, except the trial part.
the women were liars, gold diggers....(and still are in some eyes.)
Playboy and trump have a long history, (which is where I came across him, in the mag, not in person)
I had heard the karen mcdougal thang, but didnt get into it..national enquirer brings me out in hives:)


I think you're right.
As for McDougal, there was a lengthy piece about her being bought off, The Enquirer/AMI's support of el presidente, and some of its murky and dubious history on Popbitch. This is part three of a lengthy four parter, and the stuff about McDougal is towards the bottom of the page under the subheading "The Disappearing Bunny".




Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:31:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a feeling its come to the fore more recently because of trump and his pussy grabbing, bringing bills accusers to the debates and then calling his accusers liars.

Millions of women & men saw that their assault nightmares were just cannon fodder for derision, blaming and ignoring, and got fed up..


I wonder what would happen if Trumps various NDAs were brought to light,say marlas, or ivanas...

Well, there you go. When you actually offer an opinion it shows how little you know. No wonder you do it so rarely. Just want to spew hate on Trump with a tread derail.

Here, I even included the first paragraph for you. From 2004, long before Trump was your object of hate:




https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-ny-times-reporter-says-paper-refused-negative-story-on-harvey-weinstein_2337285.html

quote:

A former Hollywood reporter for the NY Times brings to light that they squashed a Harvey Weinstein story she wrote for the paper back in 2004.



PS< I wasnt discussing the media btw, I was talking about women and men gaining the courage to speak out...against their violators.




tj444 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:41:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a feeling its come to the fore more recently because of trump and his pussy grabbing, bringing bills accusers to the debates and then calling his accusers liars.

Millions of women & men saw that their assault nightmares were just cannon fodder for derision, blaming and ignoring, and got fed up..


I wonder what would happen if Trumps various NDAs were brought to light,say marlas, or ivanas...

I think all three of his ex wives have NDAs on them, don't they?
Perhaps more interestingly, in the light of Rose McGowan refusing to be paid off by Weinstein, it's been alleged that Karen MacDougal (a former Playboy model) was paid to keep schtum about her having spent most of a year shagging him behind Melania's back with a very generous payment from the Enquirer, which has been justified by claims that it was just an advance on her salary for churning out various columns and photoshoots for a variety of AMI publications. Questions have been asked about that as she was paid $150,000 for a story which it appeared the Enquirer (very, very pro-Spacehopper) bought purely to stop her taking it elsewhere and actually getting it published in the lamestream fake news media.


apparently he has/had a mistress in Florida which is why he went to his shack down there so much.. but apparently Melania knows about that.. why do you think she wont let him even hold her hand? it looks like a marriage of convenience to me, she is just waiting for him to die.. he is 70 and (gag) eats his own Taco Bowls [:'(], gee,.. how much longer can he last?

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/roaches-expired-veal-stock-and-deadly-mousse-trump-restaurants-are-infamous-for-dirty-dining/




WhoreMods -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 2:57:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a feeling its come to the fore more recently because of trump and his pussy grabbing, bringing bills accusers to the debates and then calling his accusers liars.

Millions of women & men saw that their assault nightmares were just cannon fodder for derision, blaming and ignoring, and got fed up..


I wonder what would happen if Trumps various NDAs were brought to light,say marlas, or ivanas...

I think all three of his ex wives have NDAs on them, don't they?
Perhaps more interestingly, in the light of Rose McGowan refusing to be paid off by Weinstein, it's been alleged that Karen MacDougal (a former Playboy model) was paid to keep schtum about her having spent most of a year shagging him behind Melania's back with a very generous payment from the Enquirer, which has been justified by claims that it was just an advance on her salary for churning out various columns and photoshoots for a variety of AMI publications. Questions have been asked about that as she was paid $150,000 for a story which it appeared the Enquirer (very, very pro-Spacehopper) bought purely to stop her taking it elsewhere and actually getting it published in the lamestream fake news media.


apparently he has/had a mistress in Florida which is why he went to his shack down there so much.. but apparently Melania knows about that.. why do you think she wont let him even hold her hand? it looks like a marriage of convenience to me, she is just waiting for him to die.. he is 70 and (gag) eats his own Taco Bowls [:'(], gee,.. how much longer can he last?

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/roaches-expired-veal-stock-and-deadly-mousse-trump-restaurants-are-infamous-for-dirty-dining/

Some of her reactions to the spacehopper's carrying on during his tour of the middle east practically drip revulsion and contempt, don't they?
Whatever she gets left in his will when the curry turd is finally flushed, nobody will be able to say that she hasn't earned it.




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