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JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 2:59:17 PM)
Can you stay consistent for two posts in a row? First it's I notice the police department (who's job it is to investigate crimes) wasn't mentioned in there? Your omission or hers? then it's I've "demanded" nothing.

Dom4u678ASFAOQ -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:06:07 PM)
No bitches real on here then?

JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:07:01 PM)
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system The Majority of Sexual Assaults Are Not Reported to the Police Only 344 out of every 1,000 sexual assaults are reported to police. That means about 2 out of 3 go unreported.1 Individuals of college-age2 Female Students: 20% report Female Non-Students: 32% report The elderly: 28% report3 Members of the military: 43% of female victims and 10% of male victims reported.4 Reasons Victims Choose Not to Report Of the sexual violence crimes reported to police from 2005-2010, the survivor reporting gave the following reasons for doing so:5 28% to protect the household or victim from further crimes by the offender 25% to stop the incident or prevent recurrence or escalation 21% to improve police surveillance or they believed they had a duty to do so 17% to catch/punish/prevent offender from reoffending 6% gave a different answer, or declined to cite one reason 3% did so to get help or recover loss Of the sexual violence crimes not reported to police from 2005-2010, the victim gave the following reasons for not reporting:5 20% feared retaliation 13% believed the police would not do anything to help 13% believed it was a personal matter 8% reported to a different official 8% believed it was not important enough to report 7% did not want to get the perpetrator in trouble 2% believed the police could not do anything to help 30% gave another reason, or did not cite one reason

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:15:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Can you stay consistent for two posts in a row? First it's I notice the police department (who's job it is to investigate crimes) wasn't mentioned in there? Your omission or hers? then it's I've "demanded" nothing. I asked a question. See if you distinguish between the two?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:19:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system The Majority of Sexual Assaults Are Not Reported to the Police Only 344 out of every 1,000 sexual assaults are reported to police. That means about 2 out of 3 go unreported.1 "The 'majority' of legal gun owners, using their weapons to avoid becoming victims, themselves, is un-reported." Ridiculous statement, no? How exactly does that work? Wouldn't we need to know how many sexual assaults happen to some degree of certainty? If we don't know that, how do we know the percentage that goes un-reported? How does that pass logical muster? I'm not denying your statistics (which I left out for brevity), but how does the reporting agency know how many go un-reported, if they're ... un-reported? Michael

JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:24:50 PM)
The link I posted can provide you with more information about their statistics. Kinda why I posted it. Aside from the fact that it is a very worthy organization to contribute to.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:27:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV The link I posted can provide you with more information about their statistics. Kinda why I posted it. Aside from the fact that it is a very worthy organization to contribute to. Which doesn't answer the question: If we have no definitive way to know how many assaults occur, how do we know what percentage goes un-reported or are we just Polly-paroting a talking point? I think it's a legitimate question. Michael

JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:38:36 PM)
https://www.rainn.org/about-rainns-statistics

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 3:52:26 PM)
That link doesn't answer my question. Let's do it, this way: How many reported cases are there in a year? How many are unreported (I'll take your percentage claim)? What are the total numbers (reported and unreported)? How do we know? Maybe the percentage of unreported crimes is double the estimation? Triple? Twenty times? If we don't know the actual number of incidents (and I'm not saying we can), how can we measure a percentage of that number? I would accept a statement like: "MANY sexual assaults go unreported; maybe as many as four times the number as those that are reported." That makes "sense", but if we don't know how many sexual assaults occur, how can we definitively say what percentage are unreported? Seriously, I'd like to hear a logical answer. I'm no mathematician, but I know that most would say "we don't have enough defined parameters to solve this equation". (I won't be able to respond for a while. I have a meeting.) Michael

JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 4:32:04 PM)
Yes, Blanche, but all those questions are answered by clicking the link. As they would have been had you bothered to click the first link. Or do you expect me to wipe the slobber from your chin and make choo-choo and airplane noises as I spoon-feed you the information?

Dom4u678ASFAOQ -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 4:34:49 PM)
have her calll me or you ahahahaha fanny

MercTech -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 6:48:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system The Majority of Sexual Assaults Are Not Reported to the Police Only 344 out of every 1,000 sexual assaults are reported to police. That means about 2 out of 3 go unreported.1 Individuals of college-age2 Female Students: 20% report Female Non-Students: 32% report The elderly: 28% report3 Members of the military: 43% of female victims and 10% of male victims reported.4 Reasons Victims Choose Not to Report Of the sexual violence crimes reported to police from 2005-2010, the survivor reporting gave the following reasons for doing so:5 28% to protect the household or victim from further crimes by the offender 25% to stop the incident or prevent recurrence or escalation 21% to improve police surveillance or they believed they had a duty to do so 17% to catch/punish/prevent offender from reoffending 6% gave a different answer, or declined to cite one reason 3% did so to get help or recover loss Of the sexual violence crimes not reported to police from 2005-2010, the victim gave the following reasons for not reporting:5 20% feared retaliation 13% believed the police would not do anything to help 13% believed it was a personal matter 8% reported to a different official 8% believed it was not important enough to report 7% did not want to get the perpetrator in trouble 2% believed the police could not do anything to help 30% gave another reason, or did not cite one reason If you check sctual Justice Department statistics instead of an ideological narrative you will find radically different statistics. https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=317

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 11:21:23 PM)
Oh! Poor Alfred can't answer a simple math question. What a pity. quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV Yes, Blanche, but all those questions are answered by clicking the link. As they would have been had you bothered to click the first link. Just obfuscation and derail. Let's try it again: How high is "up"? "In relation to what?" one might ask. "How many unreported cases of sexual assault are there?" to which the "intelligencia" responds: "X%" "How do you work out that percentage? Do you KNOW HOW MANY unreported cases there are or is your percentage a 'guestimate'?" To which the well-informed individual with their tongue planted firmly in the DNC's ass responds: "Shut up" You're a pip, Rosemary.

Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 11:34:03 PM)
The major Sources for non reported rapes is National Crime Victimisation Surveys by the U.S. Census Bureau for the Bureau of Justice Statistics https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245 and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/datasources.html Under reporting has been an issue for decades... quote: "How many unreported cases of sexual assault are there?" to which the "intelligencia" responds: "X%" "How do you work out that percentage? Do you KNOW HOW MANY unreported cases there are or is your percentage a 'guestimate'?"

tj444 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/2/2017 11:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr and I believe that they have inspired many and kudos to them, but again, it would have been nice if all these "open secrets" had been exposed (possibly by a group of actors and actresses?) long before now. In some cases, people decided to take money and shut up. So what was more important at the moment they signed those NDAs? Their career/money or protecting others? Michael[/color] I think the assumption is that the NDA was signed after the rape but this may not be the case at all.. the rapist pig & his friends used intimidation to keep victims quiet.. I think they falsely told some or all of the women that their employment contract included a NDA clause... but it seems (from one of the articles I read) that some or probably all of them never got a copy of that, which would explain why McGowan thought she had signed a NDA and didnt go public about it for all those years... she only found out last summer that she hadnt signed one and so she was able to become very vocal about it.. which is why the rapist pigs friends then tried to bribe her with a $1 million offer to not name him.... Remember that these women that were raped by him are very young, inexperienced and it is pretty easy to intimidate them, especially when the assaulter holds their future career in his hands... its a David and Goliath situation, where the person that was raped has no power and the big rich studio head rapist pig has all of it.. he has done for 3 decades or so, he knows what will work to keep his victims quiet & get other people to help him as well.. which is why McGowan's manager (who sold her out) got a plum job with a company the rapist pig ran.. When you are young and your manager, lawyers and advisors (people you trust) are telling you there is nothing you can do and to forget about it, etc etc.. the women dont stand a chance against that.. But at least now he has been outed and he is being investigated by the cops in LA, NY & even in the UK.. he belongs in jail..

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/3/2017 12:16:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I think the assumption is that the NDA was signed after the rape but this may not be the case at all.. the rapist pig & his friends used intimidation to keep victims quiet.. I think they falsely told some or all of the women that their employment contract included a NDA clause... but it seems (from one of the articles I read) that some or probably all of them never got a copy of that, which would explain why McGowan thought she had signed a NDA and didnt go public about it for all those years... she only found out last summer that she hadnt signed one and so she was able to become very vocal about it.. which is why the rapist pigs friends then tried to bribe her with a $1 million offer to not name him.... Remember that these women that were raped by him are very young, inexperienced and it is pretty easy to intimidate them, especially when the assaulter holds their future career in his hands... its a David and Goliath situation, where the person that was raped has no power and the big rich studio head rapist pig has all of it.. he has done for 3 decades or so, he knows what will work to keep his victims quiet & get other people to help him as well.. which is why McGowan's manager (who sold her out) got a plum job with a company the rapist pig ran.. When you are young and your manager, lawyers and advisors (people you trust) are telling you there is nothing you can do and to forget about it, etc etc.. the women dont stand a chance against that.. But at least now he has been outed and he is being investigated by the cops in LA, NY & even in the UK.. he belongs in jail.. I don't think I can disagree with much of what you wrote, but I have to bring up (again) that in the U.S., it is "Black Letter Law" that a contract to do something illegal is null and void. I hadn't thought about the fact that it might have been signed *prior* to the crimes. I grant that and I will take into account youth and inexperience (to a degree. That's not a blanket "get-out-of-jail" card) and that changes things, to a degree. However, I would assume that a good portion of these NDAs were signed *after* the crime in an effort to further insulate Weinstain. I'll go further: There was talk about him having "settled" quite a few complaints. Certainly, those weren't part of the studio (or film production) contract? Those *had* to be after the fact, right? All this isn't to say (again) that these people aren't victims and weren't damaged. My only point through all of this (and I'll amend it, slightly in light of this new avenue) has been: "Anyone who signed a NDA after they were abused ... in order to get a settlement was NOT thinking about protecting others at the moment they signed that particular NDA. They were thinking about their careers or the check with all the zeros. This does NOT make them villains or negate the fact that they're victims, but to my mind, it don't make 'em 'heroes', either".

LadyPact -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/3/2017 12:21:35 AM)
In for a penny. In for a pound. Just going to give my thoughts on what we're really talking about when we start discussing things such as terms that we're calling reported, unreported, and estimates. The term "reported" has to do with firm numbers that are reported to law enforcement agencies. We're talking hard core data, here. In any given year, these are the people who file formal reports, regardless of whether the cases are pursued with formal charges or not. The term "unreported" can be those cases that aren't pursued with legal agencies, but where people seek help through other outlets, such as Rainne. This can also include categories of people who didn't reach out for help, but are included in statistical surveys that have been conducted by certain organizations. Because we know that the numbers that we have between "reported" and "unreported", we also must consider the estimate. Even in a large study sample, (100,000 or more) there will be variance. There will be people who are just trying to forget the whole thing, people who think that nobody will believe them, people who won't 'admit' during a random survey because admitting it makes it more 'real' for them, people who won't say anything because they are at fault, and a plethora of other reasons. There's not a hard core equation, here.

JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/3/2017 3:06:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact In for a penny. In for a pound. Just going to give my thoughts on what we're really talking about when we start discussing things such as terms that we're calling reported, unreported, and estimates. The term "reported" has to do with firm numbers that are reported to law enforcement agencies. We're talking hard core data, here. In any given year, these are the people who file formal reports, regardless of whether the cases are pursued with formal charges or not. The term "unreported" can be those cases that aren't pursued with legal agencies, but where people seek help through other outlets, such as Rainne. This can also include categories of people who didn't reach out for help, but are included in statistical surveys that have been conducted by certain organizations. Because we know that the numbers that we have between "reported" and "unreported", we also must consider the estimate. Even in a large study sample, (100,000 or more) there will be variance. There will be people who are just trying to forget the whole thing, people who think that nobody will believe them, people who won't 'admit' during a random survey because admitting it makes it more 'real' for them, people who won't say anything because they are at fault, and a plethora of other reasons. There's not a hard core equation, here. Exactly. It's data extrapolation, little different than how we "know" how many people watched the Superbowl, or who will win the popular vote for the Presidency. These numbers are never 100% accurate, but they are the absolute best we have. But I purposefully wasn't answering Blanche's question, because 1) it's yet another deflection and 2) the information was readily available in the links given. Blanche keeps trying to shift the subject away from the fact she's victimbashing by insisting rape victims are accountable for the future actions of their attackers, and that they're selfish for trying to take care of themselves following the traumatic event. Victims carry far too much undeserved guilt and shame as it is.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/3/2017 4:26:35 AM)
and maryanne's just dealing with her monthly curse. I should amend that JVoV/Alfred/maryanne is as annoying as a bleeding cunt (and probably smells as foul). There. That's better.

JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/3/2017 6:16:23 AM)
Merry Christmas, Blanche. I hope Santa brings you a psychiatrist so that you can learn to cope with your guilt of feeling like you didn't do enough, so that you don't have to continue trying to pass the blame on to other victims.

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