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playfultom62 -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 6:11:19 PM)

define virtually, other than: nearly all, or almost all.

So, you only have several hundred thousand minus one cases to cite.

Whew, I bet that is a great relief for you, and your factless propaganda. That's going to be real doable for you, isn't it?

Here we are.



Nnanji -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 6:20:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I am hardly "Okay" with the death penalty, but in certain cases, I support it, entirely.

Here's my issue:

If this murdering scumbag gets "legal combatant" status, the death penalty is off the table because a "soldier", doing his job, is NOT a death penalty offense.

If he doesn't receive that status, what is he? There's a few choices: "Non-Legal Combatant" amongst them. I believe that one could be a death penalty offense, but If I'm to remain consistent:

I believe war was declared decades ago and we have been oblivious to the call. So, I would consider this piece of shit a legal combatant and therefore, NOT illegible for the Death penalty.



Michael

If he's given a death penalty then he becomes a martyr. Give him life in gitmo. Take away all martyrdom and make him jack off to the 72 virgins he could have had if only he could have completed suicide by cop.



BamaD -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 6:21:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: playfultom62

define virtually, other than: nearly all, or almost all.

So, you only have several hundred thousand minus one cases to cite.

Whew, I bet that is a great relief for you, and your factless propaganda. That's going to be real doable for you, isn't it?

Here we are.

You quoted me as saying all, that was a "mistake".
And you warped it again when I gave you three examples of Obama trying to taint the jury pool and you tried to pretend
jury pool and you make it one.
I gave you three cases where they not only didn't have all the facts but Obama
jumped to the wrong conclusion without facts.
They caught the guy in the act of terrorism Trump was just saying what he thought the punishment should be.
Not even the terrorist disputes that he did it.



BamaD -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 6:23:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: playfultom62

define virtually, other than: nearly all, or almost all.

So, you only have several hundred thousand minus one cases to cite.

Whew, I bet that is a great relief for you, and your factless propaganda. That's going to be real doable for you, isn't it?

Here we are.

Give me one example when Obama didn't assume victimhood by of the black person.
How many hundred pages do you need to be happy with my answer.



MercTech -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 6:26:29 PM)

Aggressive acts perpetrated while not in a recognized uniform are prosecuted as espionage or terrorism in civilian courts.

No, the guy could not be sent to Guantanamo. Guantanamo was used for Iraqi prisoners as it is NOT on U.S. soil and and issues with U.S. law could be ignored and international treaty being the only guideline for conduct.

You can't do waterboarding and sleep deprivation as part of interrogation on U.S. soil. It is illegal on U.S. Soil.
Does it sound like Guantanamo is an excuse to be criminal in interrogation methods? I wonder how much rubber hose was shipped? (Hard to detect torture method is beating the bottom of the feet with a rubber hose.)



playfultom62 -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 7:04:19 PM)

With Obama it was sop to declare the cops wrong in virtually every case.

This is what you actually said, and its a bold face lie.^^^^

The professor at a small college was arrested and before any facts were out Obama declared
that the cops had acted stupidly. It turned out that the professor was guilty as sin, but he was black
but he was black so Obama declared him innocent.

Professor Gates of Harvard, a very small college I suppose to you great minds down there at the below average educational state of Alabama, was in his own house, and since it was a northern state, was not found guilty of entering his own house. I think that Obama said as much, that he was innocent of any charge of entering his own house.

Probably Obama tainted the jury pool so badly, that Gates was not charged. Only possible explanation from a clear racist such as you.


And I suppose that a law and order racist like you is taken aback that criminal activity is frowned upon, as rife as it is in the United States:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-city-ferguson-missouri-resolve-lawsuit-agreement-reform-ferguson

So you only need to give 50% + 1 examples, and you have none yet.
You do not even have disingenuously defensible lies here. They are out and out Nazi propaganda.






BamaD -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 7:19:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: playfultom62

With Obama it was sop to declare the cops wrong in virtually every case.

This is what you actually said, and its a bold face lie.^^^^

The professor at a small college was arrested and before any facts were out Obama declared
that the cops had acted stupidly. It turned out that the professor was guilty as sin, but he was black
but he was black so Obama declared him innocent.

Professor Gates of Harvard, a very small college I suppose to you great minds down there at the below average educational state of Alabama, was in his own house, and since it was a northern state, was not found guilty of entering his own house. I think that Obama said as much, that he was innocent of any charge of entering his own house.

Probably Obama tainted the jury pool so badly, that Gates was not charged. Only possible explanation from a clear racist such as you.


And I suppose that a law and order racist like you is taken aback that criminal activity is frowned upon, as rife as it is in the United States:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-and-city-ferguson-missouri-resolve-lawsuit-agreement-reform-ferguson

So you only need to give 50% + 1 examples, and you have none yet.
You do not even have disingenuously defensible lies here. They are out and out Nazi propaganda.





You attack one example and don't even get it right.
Obama made his proclamation without any facts.
The courts ruled that the police did not act stupidly.

Even with your rules I gave 3 examples and he tried to fix the outcome in 2 and just shot his mouth off without facts in the 3rd, so by your rules I have proven my point.


Proclaiming what the outcome should be without knowing any facts is the very definition of trying to taint the jury pool so you still blew it.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/2/2017 11:45:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WeSeekOnlyOne

I didnt know you were part of the terrorist organization.



I'm not, dipstick or are you accusing me of being a terrorist?





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/3/2017 4:12:16 AM)

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That aside do you believe in the death penalty for animals like that?

No I do not, I oppose the death penalty in all cases.



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/3/2017 4:15:40 AM)

I guess nobody mentioned to Trump that New York does not have a death penalty, eh?



DaddySatyr -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/3/2017 4:24:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

(Hard to detect torture method is beating the bottom of the feet with a rubber hose.)



Phone books and night sticks, too.



Michael



HHLover718 -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/3/2017 5:23:16 AM)


There is a federal death penalty.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 1:07:30 AM)

FR,

Before anything else, there has to be a trial to prove guilt. That he, apparently, has admitted to doing it only means that it should be a speedy trial.

As far as sentencing goes, I do believe in the sanctity of life, so, for me, the death penalty is off the table. I've argued on here in favor of the death penalty, but upon further reflection, I can not support the death penalty and also believe in the sanctity of life. The martyrdom aspect only bolsters my case. Maybe as part of his punishment, he's forced to work in a pork processing plant.

Regardless of what the POTUS says, we do have rules, procedures, and precedents that should be followed. If the POTUS's rants, ravings, tweets, and other foaming at the mouth run afoul of those rules, procedures, and/or precedents, then his ideas should be ignored (in those cases). If the guy already admitted to doing what he's alleged to have done, hasn't he already tainted the jury pool? We can't let revenge, and knee-jerk reactions rule over our actions. Conservatives argue along those same lines when gun control is screamed for after a mass shooting (and in most case, they are correct in opposing knee jerk legislative solutions). Shouldn't a rational approach be the desired approach?



Danemora -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 1:31:38 AM)

~FRing it~

I personally do not support the death penalty and havent for well over 15 years now after taking an amazing course in capital punishment. I graduated with my degree in Texas, so we're not talking a State with a fluffy stance on the death penalty either 😊 How can we as a society say murder is wrong...and the ultimate punishment for murder is that the State/Government will murder you? Wait, what?!? Me murdering someone is bad...but my state murdering me for killing someone is A-ok?
Ive actually gone as far as to ask whoever handles my estate to beg the D.A. to give my killer LWOP instead of the death penalty. Killing my killer wont ever bring me back, so what would be the point of sentencing my killer's family to the same pain my people would no doubt feel? But tbis is just me. I certainly do understand the "eye for an eye" side of thd equation as well.

Killing this guy Trump is screaming about is giving him exactly what he wants. But living in prison until he rots truly does punish. Cant get your 72 virgins if you arent martyred, right?



Lucylastic -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 1:41:54 AM)

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If the POTUS's rants, ravings, tweets, and other foaming at the mouth run afoul of those rules, procedures, and/or precedents, then his ideas should be ignored (in those cases).

Tell us how you really feel DS:)

The problem is, in my opinion(only) that his base believe in him, thats all he needs to feel he is in the right and continue with his twitlering.
He is entitled to his opinion. Yes.
But he isnt entitled to interfere with the other branches. Its red meat for his base, he should BE allowed to interfere, hes "tha man".
A rational approach to him and his whistling isnt gonna work.
Hes suggested gitmo, he had to back down from that. No speedy trial.
Im not opposed to terrorists of any stripe dying for killing innocents, and I dont see how he can be found not guilty by any court especially with the video evidence, (yanno unless you are a false flag conspiracist) but legal process needs to be seen to be done.
But his mouth is the problem and no rational way of dealing with it.
YMMV

PS, one other thing, regarding the gun argument and the vegas terrorism and the NY terrorism that screams to me, is how he has handled his reaction to both.
Now given that Paddock killed himself and the ny guy is alive and singing, it obviously makes a difference, but he brushed off bump stocks and brushed off talking about any gun control for a "we will discuss that down the road" and "I want to wait for all the facts" is stark when he immediately calls for more extreme vetting, gitmo, death penalty, etc is Not waiting for facts, its a knee jerk reaction that makes him look a fool. and certainly not fit to be CIC in my not so humble outlook.
Of course he is also digging at Sessions. because he is frustrated he cant straight arm them into doing what he thinks should be done.






DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 2:07:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
PS, one other thing, regarding the gun argument and the vegas terrorism and the NY terrorism that screams to me, is how he has handled his reaction to both.
Now given that Paddock killed himself and the ny guy is alive and singing, it obviously makes a difference, but he brushed off bump stocks and brushed off talking about any gun control for a "we will discuss that down the road" and "I want to wait for all the facts" is stark when he immediately calls for more extreme vetting, gitmo, death penalty, etc is Not waiting for facts, its a knee jerk reaction that makes him look a fool. and certainly not fit to be CIC in my not so humble outlook.


Your opinion of his fitness to be CIC is only slightly less important than my opinion on that matter. I, at least, get to vote in the election. Other than that, our opinions are worth the same.

He supported better vetting his entire campaign.
I support his "down the road" strategy for discussions on gun control. Discussions right after an event will only lead to emotional, knee-jerk reactions (you know, like calling for the death penalty or GITMO for a jackass that runs people down in a truck before the trial even starts). The only issue with that, is how far "down the road" is meant.

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Of course he is also digging at Sessions. because he is frustrated he cant straight arm them into doing what he thinks should be done.


Even though he is smarter than everyone else everywhere and has the best mind, he still hasn't learned that high level politics ain't the same as boardroom politics. I think he'll figure that out eventually. He may not change his tunes, but he'll figure it out. [:D]



DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 2:11:50 AM)

FR,

I just noticed this:
    Dom4u678ASFAOQ sure does look like it could say Dumb4u678ASFUQ, and, imo, it's quite fitting.



Edwird -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 4:27:28 AM)

Call me dull-headed, but that almost sounds like a 6CA7 vacuum tube.

Otherwise known as an EL34 tube.

What? were you trying to insult somebody or something? I missed it.

I miss out on so much. This always happened to me as a kid, too.

Not that anything's changed much nowadays.





Edwird -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 4:36:47 AM)

If we want to drag termy into any of this, just say "6BQ5" and he'll be right along.

That's my guy.



WhoreMods -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 4:44:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I support his "down the road" strategy for discussions on gun control. Discussions right after an event will only lead to emotional, knee-jerk reactions (you know, like calling for the death penalty or GITMO for a jackass that runs people down in a truck before the trial even starts). The only issue with that, is how far "down the road" is meant.

You don't think that the down the road thing is just an excuse for doing nothing as there's a shootings all the way down the road at regular incidents and it's impossible to get far enough away from them for a cooler discussion?



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