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DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 5:02:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I support his "down the road" strategy for discussions on gun control. Discussions right after an event will only lead to emotional, knee-jerk reactions (you know, like calling for the death penalty or GITMO for a jackass that runs people down in a truck before the trial even starts). The only issue with that, is how far "down the road" is meant.

You don't think that the down the road thing is just an excuse for doing nothing as there's a shootings all the way down the road at regular incidents and it's impossible to get far enough away from them for a cooler discussion?


[sarcasm]I'm sure it does. No one loves it more than gun-toters when another incident happens. [/sarcasm]

Your comment seems like you'd rather have an emotionally charged argument than a rational discussion about gun control. Considering the recent (past 15 years or so), both sides are more likely to dig in and not budge in an emotionally charged argument.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 5:28:33 AM)


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There is a federal death penalty.

I did not know that, though I am not surprised. Thanks for the head's up there HH.




Greta75 -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 6:28:16 AM)

FR
I clearly am a huge supporter of death penalty.

But the problem with US death penalty is. What the hell is the difference between death penalty in the US and life sentence? NOTHING!

Both you still end up spending life in prison before you die!

Inmates on death row seem to be waiting for 20 over years to get their "death penalty".

I think only in the US can people argue that death penalty cost MORE, simply also because of all the nonsensical expensive electric chair (waste of electricity) or lethal injection (which is also assisted suicide humane way of dying), can cost more than just keeping the damn prisoner alive, assuming you could make them work for free as free labour for something.

But personally my logic is. Let's help people who want to do good and needs help. Help the poor who haven't resort to crimes yet to prevent them from doing the crime.

Why wasting time on murderers? And money on murderers. You gotta hire security, and feed them for life. It's just waste of resources on nothing.

The correct way for a better world is, Put alot of resources in helping them where they need help! And make sure that if they don't seek help and chose the criminal way out, punish it to extreme extents.

So that seeking help will seem more attractive. Of course this "help department" needs to be good at their jobs too, or else, defeat the whole effect.

As for the dumb arguments about innocents getting death penalty. First of all, those who argue against death penalty claim that life imprisonment is worst than death penalty. They should suffer more. Yet ya want to put an innocent into life imprisonment when it's worst?

Second of all. More innocents die from people following the teachings of Islam to kill them than innocents dying from death penalty in the US I am sure. But the world feels that Islam teaching their followers to kill is perfectly okay and acceptable as long as only 20% of their followers do so and not 100%.

So then what's the big deal that death penalty allowed some innocents to slip through the cracks? It will be less than what the world allows Muslim people to murder.








WhoreMods -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 9:51:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I support his "down the road" strategy for discussions on gun control. Discussions right after an event will only lead to emotional, knee-jerk reactions (you know, like calling for the death penalty or GITMO for a jackass that runs people down in a truck before the trial even starts). The only issue with that, is how far "down the road" is meant.

You don't think that the down the road thing is just an excuse for doing nothing as there's a shootings all the way down the road at regular incidents and it's impossible to get far enough away from them for a cooler discussion?


[sarcasm]I'm sure it does. No one loves it more than gun-toters when another incident happens. [/sarcasm]

Your comment seems like you'd rather have an emotionally charged argument than a rational discussion about gun control. Considering the recent (past 15 years or so), both sides are more likely to dig in and not budge in an emotionally charged argument.


I'd rather have a rational discussion, but as the discussion would involve Americans with vested interests on both sides, that's probably impossible.
However any discussion at all, however hysterical and vitriolic, beats the more traditional approach of ignoring the problem in the hope that it'll go away by itself, and this ridiculous "further down the road" bullshit is obviously calculated solely to prevent any discussion at all. It's not even a stalling tactic, it's an attempt to make el presidente sitting on his tiny hands look like a display of sensitivity and forbearance rather than him refusing to do anything about the situation. Fuck that shit, and fuck anybody who treats it as anything other than the evasive bullshit it is.




ServiceSubinCali -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 11:41:27 AM)

Bee Gees - Tragedy

I always thought that one was ABBA. I must be becoming more senile.

Meh I dont like that song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQwNN-0AgWc




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 9:41:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
I'd rather have a rational discussion, but as the discussion would involve Americans with vested interests on both sides, that's probably impossible.
However any discussion at all, however hysterical and vitriolic, beats the more traditional approach of ignoring the problem in the hope that it'll go away by itself, and this ridiculous "further down the road" bullshit is obviously calculated solely to prevent any discussion at all. It's not even a stalling tactic, it's an attempt to make el presidente sitting on his tiny hands look like a display of sensitivity and forbearance rather than him refusing to do anything about the situation. Fuck that shit, and fuck anybody who treats it as anything other than the evasive bullshit it is.


Your partisanship is showing. Your response makes it evident you're not to be one of "the adults at the table" for rational discussions.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 9:45:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Your opinion of his fitness to be CIC is only slightly less important than my opinion on that matter. I, at least, get to vote in the election. Other than that, our opinions are worth the same.



The importance of my opinion is not the problem.





DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/4/2017 10:22:01 PM)

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WhoreMods -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 4:48:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
I'd rather have a rational discussion, but as the discussion would involve Americans with vested interests on both sides, that's probably impossible.
However any discussion at all, however hysterical and vitriolic, beats the more traditional approach of ignoring the problem in the hope that it'll go away by itself, and this ridiculous "further down the road" bullshit is obviously calculated solely to prevent any discussion at all. It's not even a stalling tactic, it's an attempt to make el presidente sitting on his tiny hands look like a display of sensitivity and forbearance rather than him refusing to do anything about the situation. Fuck that shit, and fuck anybody who treats it as anything other than the evasive bullshit it is.


Your partisanship is showing. Your response makes it evident you're not to be one of "the adults at the table" for rational discussions.


Okay, so you seriously think that he's on the level with this "it's too soon to negotiate" noise, and is planning to pencil negotiations on gun control in as soon as there hasn't been a mass shooting for six or seven months, and I'm the one who's being partisan and childish?
Cute!




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 9:30:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Okay, so you seriously think that he's on the level with this "it's too soon to negotiate" noise, and is planning to pencil negotiations on gun control in as soon as there hasn't been a mass shooting for six or seven months, and I'm the one who's being partisan and childish?
Cute!


Yes, you're being partisan and childish, especially with your constant demeaning and lack of respect towards President Trump. But, when all you have are infantile tantrums to use, what should we expect?

I'm not going to be bound by any time constraints you put on anything, so you can take your "as soon as there hasn't been a mass shooting for six or seven months" and fuck off. I don't expect you to do it, but, I can still hope.








Lucylastic -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 10:15:50 AM)

FR.
Trumps urging for the terrorist to be sent to gitmo, backfired and made sure he(terrorist) wont go to gitmo.
Trumps urging for the death penalty ensures he(the terrorist) will not get the death penalty.
The charlottesville killer (by running people down), wasnt given the same tweet opinions.
Again, the tweeter is making the issue worse, but he can always blame sessions.
For now.





WhoreMods -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 11:08:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Okay, so you seriously think that he's on the level with this "it's too soon to negotiate" noise, and is planning to pencil negotiations on gun control in as soon as there hasn't been a mass shooting for six or seven months, and I'm the one who's being partisan and childish?
Cute!


Yes, you're being partisan and childish, especially with your constant demeaning and lack of respect towards President Trump. But, when all you have are infantile tantrums to use, what should we expect?

I'm not going to be bound by any time constraints you put on anything, so you can take your "as soon as there hasn't been a mass shooting for six or seven months" and fuck off. I don't expect you to do it, but, I can still hope.






The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 12:06:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.


You have no point other than Trump-hate.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 2:43:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.


You have no point other than Trump-hate.


In all seriousness, there are a few folks here (you not included) who have no point other than Trump adoration.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 3:59:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.


You have no point other than Trump-hate.


You're free to believe what you want, but I'd feel much the same contempt for any president who spouted bullshit excuses to try to claim moral superiority for doing fuck all.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 4:37:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.

You have no point other than Trump-hate.

In all seriousness, there are a few folks here (you not included) who have no point other than Trump adoration.


Quite true. I don't understand that any more than I understand the total anti-Trump stance.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/5/2017 4:39:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.

You have no point other than Trump-hate.

You're free to believe what you want, but I'd feel much the same contempt for any president who spouted bullshit excuses to try to claim moral superiority for doing fuck all.


Right. That's what he's doing. I'm sure your distaste for Trump started shortly after he was inaugurated. [8|]

Regardless, I look forward to the potential opportunity to test your assertion of equal contempt in 4 years.




bounty44 -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/6/2017 4:10:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The lack of any real time scale in vague drivellings about "down the road a bit" is my point. It means nothing and it's an excuse for doing nothing.

You have no point other than Trump-hate.

In all seriousness, there are a few folks here (you not included) who have no point other than Trump adoration.


Quite true. I don't understand that any more than I understand the total anti-Trump stance.



assuming hillwilliams referencing bosco---I think "adoration" isn't the right word.

I don't buy what hes saying---what I find the comrades unable to do is to separate defense of illicit/unwarranted/ridiculous criticisms of a person from "adoration" for that person.

ive had a number of people accuse me of being a trump supporter because ive criticized the thinking that's gone into criticizing him, or because ive defended the general principles under which he seems to be operating.




bounty44 -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/6/2017 4:18:16 AM)

i saw this last night and tucked it away for future reference, seems like good timing:

"Brace Yourself for Four Years of Nonstop Freakoutrage"

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The left is trying to come to grips with its utter rejection, and its response to Donald Trump will be to fall back on an endless series of freakoutrages – hyperbolic, unhinged, hack media-fueled spasms of faux moral panic every time he dares do anything.

Appoint someone to a job? Freak out – it’s an outrage!

Go to dinner? Freak out – it’s an outrage!

Actually keep promises made to the voters? Freak out – it’s an outrage!

But it isn’t going to work. Not anymore. Not with the form of the Destructor Hillary and the rest of super smart Team Smugfail chose. Freakoutrage fatigue is in effect. You can cry Wolf Blitzer all day long and nobody cares.

It’s important to understand why liberals are so angry and so scared. They are angry because they believe they have a moral right to command us, apparently bestowed by Gaia or #Science or having gone to Yale, and we are irredeemably deplorable for not submitting to their benevolent dictatorship.

They are scared because they fear we will wage the same kind of campaign of petty (and not so petty) oppression, intimidation, and bullying that they intended to wage upon us.

And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by a unicorn.

I was considering being magnanimous in our total victory, but that lasted until a bunch of loving, tolerant, peaceful anti-Trump demonstrators jumped my friend and hurt his dog. So now, their pain is my sugar, and I say let’s spend the next four years having our coffee Sudden Impact-style.

You want to play the freakoutrage card? Go ahead, make my day.

It’s the only practical tool they have left, secession being hard and scary when you’re on the side that wets itself around guns. So instead they sow cultural chaos with the eager, slobbering cooperation of the dying mainstream media. Hence the nonstop series of post-defeat freakoutrages over each and every action undertaken by President-elect Trump – oh, I’m getting Matthewsian tingles down my leg just thinking of how much it hurts you libs to read those words!

But it’s a loser’s game. Freakoutraging is not a power move – it’s a sign of weakness. It’s weak because to work, it depends entirely on cooperation by us and by President-elect Trump – there’s that tingle again! We have to allow it to work. See, you libs can’t make us do anything because we control everything. The Reid Rule is in effect, players, and we’re going to beat down liberalism like a Nordic-Trak beats down Harry.

Freakoutrage is manipulation, so it depends upon the credibility of the freakoutrager in the eyes of the freakoutragee. Do you see the problem? Because the freakoutragers are liberals amplified by the liberal mainstream media, there’s a bit of a credibility gap in the eyes of us freakoutragees. Similarly yuge gaps include the Grand Canyon and the yawning chasm between Obama’s self-regard and his accomplishments.

To work, the freakoutragee has to take the freakoutrage seriously – “Wow, I can’t imagine that anyone would call the Attorney General appointee a white supremacist Klan lover without a really good reason. I shall be wary of this ruffian!” But when you literally call everyone associated with Donald Trump a bigot, racist, sexist, Islamophobe, transphobe, and miscellaneousphobe – including, by extension, the nearly 50% of Americans who voted for him over Harridan McHarpy – then you lose your credibility. When you redefine “bigotry” to mean “I don’t like you,” you’ve deprived the word of its bite.

Non-political people are watching, and when no one goosesteps over to their houses to throw them into Jesus camp with all the other people whose ancestors didn’t hail from Dusseldorf, they’re going to figure out that your endless freakoutrages are all lies. When everybody’s terrible, nobody is. Especially when the people you say are terrible really aren’t.

Freakoutrage need the cooperation of President-elect Trump (Ohhhh, baby, I’m a-tinglin’ again!), and that’s another reason you’ll fail. Freakoutrage is really a way you and your media fluffers try to train conservative leaders. You try to teach the Republican leader that if he does anything you don’t approve of, you’ll scream and whine and then he’ll have to back down. It’s a means of control, like a shock collar. And this works on a lot of Republicans, or used to: “Oh no, the WaPo is angry! Quick, start #caring!”

But The Donald? Nope. You have no heat because he’s giving absolutely no damns.

Ditching the press to scarf a sirloin? WAAAAAA! Damns given: 0.

Appointing hardcore conservatives? WAAAAA! Damns given: 0.

Building the wall, repealing O-Care, SCOTUS Justice Willet? WAAAAA! Damns given: 0.

You’ll be freaking out and the President will be eating a taco bowl and kicking it old school with his hot immigrant wife like a boss, penning and phoning Obama’s miserable legacy into oblivion.

So libs, carry on with your freakoutrages. Please. Each one makes you weaker and us stronger. Everyone sees the truth behind your freakoutrage scam. Everyone sees the truth behind you. The audience of Hamilton didn't boo Pence. The cast didn’t lecture Pence. The audience booed us. The cast lectured us. You libs hate us. Hate, not merely dislike. Hate. Your dream is a country without us, just like I predicted in my new book.


So your freakoutraging did do us one solid – you helped remind us who our real enemy is. It’s you. And we know it because you dorky, safety-pinned, not moving-to-Canada-like-you-promised freakoutragers keep telling us so.


www.hillwilliamLOVEStownhall.com




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump urges death penalty for Sayfullo Saipov (11/6/2017 5:54:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
I don't buy what hes saying---what I find the comrades unable to do is to separate defense of illicit/unwarranted/ridiculous criticisms of a person from "adoration" for that person.

Because of course, the tumptooners are entirely open to accepting that any criticism of their leader's politics or conduct isn't part of a general conspiracy on the part of the whole of the left (which now includes many republicans and libertarians, and even a few white suprremacists who are worried by el presidente's ties to Israel and jewish sons in law)...




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