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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 11:54:58 AM   
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It seems like the real issue is the inflexibility of the US system to make special arrangement to save a life. And this involves an innocent child.


No. The real inflexibility is the father that can't stop breaking the law.

If nothing else, it makes it really hard to even schedule the surgeries, never knowing if the donor will show up, or be in jail again, or shot dead by police.

Him getting shot dead by the Police might make the transplant more, rather than less, likely so long as they shoot him through the head: it's a lot easier to cut a transplant organ out of a corpse and keep it on ice until it's needed than it is to remove the organ from a live donor and switch it between warm bodies while it's still fresh, I'm told.


Uncertain. He may not be registered as a postmortem organ donor. That's a much different thing.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 12:01:56 PM   
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It seems like the real issue is the inflexibility of the US system to make special arrangement to save a life. And this involves an innocent child.


No. The real inflexibility is the father that can't stop breaking the law.

If nothing else, it makes it really hard to even schedule the surgeries, never knowing if the donor will show up, or be in jail again, or shot dead by police.

Him getting shot dead by the Police might make the transplant more, rather than less, likely so long as they shoot him through the head: it's a lot easier to cut a transplant organ out of a corpse and keep it on ice until it's needed than it is to remove the organ from a live donor and switch it between warm bodies while it's still fresh, I'm told.


Uncertain. He may not be registered as a postmortem organ donor. That's a much different thing.

True enough. The family's wishes would be fairly clear in that case, though.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 12:21:38 PM   
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It seems like the real issue is the inflexibility of the US system to make special arrangement to save a life. And this involves an innocent child.


No. The real inflexibility is the father that can't stop breaking the law.

If nothing else, it makes it really hard to even schedule the surgeries, never knowing if the donor will show up, or be in jail again, or shot dead by police.

Him getting shot dead by the Police might make the transplant more, rather than less, likely so long as they shoot him through the head: it's a lot easier to cut a transplant organ out of a corpse and keep it on ice until it's needed than it is to remove the organ from a live donor and switch it between warm bodies while it's still fresh, I'm told.


Uncertain. He may not be registered as a postmortem organ donor. That's a much different thing.

True enough. The family's wishes would be fairly clear in that case, though.


True. But babymama has a different last name, so marriage seems unlikely, leaving parents or siblings as next of kin, because the child is too young to make such decisions.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 12:45:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75.

It seems like the real issue is the inflexibility of the US system to make special arrangement to save a life. And this involves an innocent child.


No. The real inflexibility is the father that can't stop breaking the law.

If nothing else, it makes it really hard to even schedule the surgeries, never knowing if the donor will show up, or be in jail again, or shot dead by police.

Him getting shot dead by the Police might make the transplant more, rather than less, likely so long as they shoot him through the head: it's a lot easier to cut a transplant organ out of a corpse and keep it on ice until it's needed than it is to remove the organ from a live donor and switch it between warm bodies while it's still fresh, I'm told.


Uncertain. He may not be registered as a postmortem organ donor. That's a much different thing.

True enough. The family's wishes would be fairly clear in that case, though.


True. But babymama has a different last name, so marriage seems unlikely, leaving parents or siblings as next of kin, because the child is too young to make such decisions.

And if the rest of the father's family are as cretinous as he is that won't be a big help, no.
(That could be one of those made for telly courtroom dramas the networks spent the first half of the '80s churning out, couldn't it?)

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 4:31:37 PM   
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Explain further your consternation, as to what any of us in civilian land could understand.

You and your dad can punch me all you like, just say something that makes sense, all I'm asking.


I watched my father bury a son. In my opinion, that was the worst thing that ever happened to him.

If I had the kind of grief that went with losing a son, I'd probably not ever get out of bed again. I sure as SH^T wouldn't be appeasing some damn troll on the internet who would think it's all cool to attack a parent who had to bury a child.



Edwird implied that a man doesn't have the right to grieve , you never implied that losing a son who wasn't in the military didn't.
He is scum who judges everything based on how much money he makes off of it. He ranks up there with profiteers who don't
care how many of our people killed because of it.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 6:41:54 PM   
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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 8:30:56 PM   
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Is that what you got out of it? I was getting a military-industrial-complex-rules-the-world-and-we're-all-pawns kinda vibe.

Which further implies that anyone who volunteers to kill innocents deserves no sympathy.
My assessment of him as a profiteer came in his statement that people like him conduct business
that helps the world. Reading his posts over a long period of time shows that all he cares about
is what makes him the most money.
She was not paranoid that "someone " might try to hurt her if she went outside
she was being stalked at threatened. It wasn't her imagination it was a proclaimed personal threat.


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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 8:32:25 PM   
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Is that what you got out of it? I was getting a military-industrial-complex-rules-the-world-and-we're-all-pawns kinda vibe.

Being retired military I have a slightly different world view.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 8:47:07 PM   
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Is that what you got out of it? I was getting a military-industrial-complex-rules-the-world-and-we're-all-pawns kinda vibe.

Which further implies that anyone who volunteers to kill innocents deserves no sympathy.
My assessment of him as a profiteer came in his statement that people like him conduct business
that helps the world. Reading his posts over a long period of time shows that all he cares about
is what makes him the most money.
She was not paranoid that "someone " might try to hurt her if she went outside
she was being stalked at threatened. It wasn't her imagination it was a proclaimed personal threat.



I'm lost. Who is she? What are you talking about?

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 9:08:03 PM   
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Is that what you got out of it? I was getting a military-industrial-complex-rules-the-world-and-we're-all-pawns kinda vibe.

Which further implies that anyone who volunteers to kill innocents deserves no sympathy.
My assessment of him as a profiteer came in his statement that people like him conduct business
that helps the world. Reading his posts over a long period of time shows that all he cares about
is what makes him the most money.
She was not paranoid that "someone " might try to hurt her if she went outside
she was being stalked at threatened. It wasn't her imagination it was a proclaimed personal threat.



I'm lost. Who is she? What are you talking about?

Lady Pack , lives in Alaska. Was stalked and threatened with and subjected to violence by a former partner.
Mentioning this is the paranoia Edwird was talking about.
Her brother was killed on duty so she was offended by Edwirds implication that servicemen and their
families deserve no sympathy since the are little more than hired killers.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 9:30:48 PM   
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Lady Pack , lives in Alaska. Was stalked and threatened with and subjected to violence by a former partner.
Mentioning this is the paranoia Edwird was talking about.
Her brother was killed on duty so she was offended by Edwirds implication that servicemen and their
families deserve no sympathy since the are little more than hired killers.



Bama, please forgive me for using your quote, but while I had heard rumor of the stalking, I had no idea that she had lost a family member while in the military. Therefore, I had no idea that the idiot's disgusting attack on dead soldiers also affected her.

I'm truly sorry to hear this and, obviously, I understand her father's pain (hers too, but it's not exactly the same thing, really).

Pact, I offer my sincerest condolences on your loss (no matter how long ago it was) and I hope you agree that I honor your brother, when I say that I hope his soul rests in peace and that he didn't go down "unanswered".

Obviously, I now feel a kinship with your dad and, if he's still alive, I hope he's managed to find some balance to cope with the pain. If he's not alive, I believe in a heaven and I hope his reunion with his son was a joyful and liberating one.



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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 10:06:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		This migbt or might not mean snything. But kudos to you, DS! What you said to Lady Pact was something that touched me as very heartfelt, genuine, and sincere. Since Im a girl and all, it was pretty sweet too. And this kindness between y'all...that understanding that only comes from being military families losing someone you both love...its beautiful. My grandpa served, so seeing this actually honestly warmed my heart.

Just wanted to say thank you for restoring some humanity and unity on what is a very contentious forum on CS sometimes. All I can think of to say is...thank you


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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 10:11:54 PM   
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This migbt or might not mean snything. But kudos to you, DS! What you said to Lady Pact was something that touched me as very heartfelt, genuine, and sincere. And this kindness between y'all...that understanding that only comes from being military families losing someone you both love...its beautiful. My grandpa served, so seeing this actually honestly warmed my heart.

Just wanted to say thank you for restoring some humanity and unity on what is a very contentious forum on CS sometimes.



It was absolutely sincere and thank you for noticing.

There are many instances where people can put aside their differences, if they're motivated to do so. Hearken back to 12 SEP 01. This country - for at least a little bit of time - came together and supported each other and put all the past bullshit to the side. That is, honestly, what I tried to do, here.



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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 10:13:26 PM   
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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 10:45:28 PM   
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Explain further your consternation, as to what any of us in civilian land could understand.

You and your dad can punch me all you like, just say something that makes sense, all I'm asking.

"I watched my father bury a son. In my opinion, that was the worst thing that ever happened to him."

"If I had the kind of grief that went with losing a son, I'd probably not ever get out of bed again. I sure as SH^T wouldn't be appeasing some damn troll on the internet who would think it's all cool to attack a parent who had to bury a child."

So explain for us, then, why losing a son/daughter or brother/sister is to be held in some higher esteem if such occurrence happening while in uniform.

So, by this estimation, the loss felt by parents or siblings of family members not in uniform on occurrence of death should be held in lower regard, right?

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 10:56:18 PM   
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Explain further your consternation, as to what any of us in civilian land could understand.

You and your dad can punch me all you like, just say something that makes sense, all I'm asking.

"I watched my father bury a son. In my opinion, that was the worst thing that ever happened to him."

"If I had the kind of grief that went with losing a son, I'd probably not ever get out of bed again. I sure as SH^T wouldn't be appeasing some damn troll on the internet who would think it's all cool to attack a parent who had to bury a child."

So explain for us, then, why losing a son/daughter or brother/sister is to be held in some higher esteem if such occurrence happening while in uniform.

So, by this estimation, the loss felt by parents or siblings of family members not in uniform are held to be in lower regard, right?


Honestly Ive never gotten the impression either DS or LP felt their loses of their uniformed loved ones were any more important or significant than any of us who have lost loved ones who didnt wear a uniform. If I can speak frankly, the loss of anyone any of us loves is significant. Uniforms arent necessary.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 10:58:22 PM   
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So explain for us, then, why losing a son/daughter or brother/sister is to be held in some higher esteem if such occurrence happening while in uniform.

So, by this estimation, the loss felt by parents or siblings of family members not in uniform are held to be in lower regard, right?


Honestly Ive never gotten the impression either DS or LP felt their loses while in unoform were any more important or significant than any of us who have lost loved ones who didnt wear a uniform


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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 11:00:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		You lost an adult child. If I lost my 3 year old son, I imagine the holes in our souls would be just as massive...just as devastating...just as heartbreaking. You live my absolute worst fucking nightmare ever in all honesty. And in perseverance can be found inspiration for others. Please take that from this....from sharing your boy with me. I, for one, appreciate that honor

Received your mail and replied back. Such a sweetheart you are. Thank you


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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 11:02:59 PM   
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You lost an adult child. If I lost my 3 year old son, I imagine the holes in our souls would be just as massive...just as devastating...just as heartbreaking.


I didn't mean to suggest that the pain is somehow incongruous. That was NOT what I was saying. I promise. I meant that there are some people who don't value military service (or law enforcement or even some who don't value fire fighters).

The poster you quoted appears to be one of those and that's why I posted what I posted.



Michael

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/4/2017 11:05:23 PM   
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Received your mail and replied back. Such a sweetheart you are. Thank you



Yeah, I got hit with a site email bug that reverts my inbox to the page where it first appeared so, I am not seeing a reply. I just wanted to check that you got mine.

Thank you.

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