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Explain further your consternation, as to what any of us in civilian land could understand.

You and your dad can punch me all you like, just say something that makes sense, all I'm asking.

"I watched my father bury a son. In my opinion, that was the worst thing that ever happened to him."

"If I had the kind of grief that went with losing a son, I'd probably not ever get out of bed again. I sure as SH^T wouldn't be appeasing some damn troll on the internet who would think it's all cool to attack a parent who had to bury a child."

So explain for us, then, why losing a son/daughter or brother/sister is to be held in some higher esteem if such occurrence happening while in uniform.

So, by this estimation, the loss felt by parents or siblings of family members not in uniform are held to be in lower regard, right?

Honestly Ive never gotten the impression either DS or LP felt their loses of their uniformed loved ones were any more important or significant than any of us who have lost loved ones who didnt wear a uniform. If I can speak frankly, the loss of anyone any of us loves is significant. Uniforms arent necessary.

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Lady Pack , lives in Alaska. Was stalked and threatened with and subjected to violence by a former partner.
Mentioning this is the paranoia Edwird was talking about.
Her brother was killed on duty so she was offended by Edwirds implication that servicemen and their
families deserve no sympathy since the are little more than hired killers.

Bama, please forgive me for using your quote, but while I had heard rumor of the stalking, I had no idea that she had lost a family member while in the military. Therefore, I had no idea that the idiot's disgusting attack on dead soldiers also affected her.

I'm truly sorry to hear this and, obviously, I understand her father's pain (hers too, but it's not exactly the same thing, really).

Pact, I offer my sincerest condolences on your loss (no matter how long ago it was) and I hope you agree that I honor your brother, when I say that I hope his soul rests in peace and that he didn't go down "unanswered".

Obviously, I now feel a kinship with your dad and, if he's still alive, I hope he's managed to find some balance to cope with the pain. If he's not alive, I believe in a heaven and I hope his reunion with his son was a joyful and liberating one.



Michael

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Lady Pack , lives in Alaska. Was stalked and threatened with and subjected to violence by a former partner.
Mentioning this is the paranoia Edwird was talking about.
Her brother was killed on duty so she was offended by Edwirds implication that servicemen and their
families deserve no sympathy since the are little more than hired killers.

Bama, please forgive me for using your quote, but while I had heard rumor of the stalking, I had no idea that she had lost a family member while in the military. Therefore, I had no idea that the idiot's disgusting attack on dead soldiers also affected her.

I'm truly sorry to hear this and, obviously, I understand her father's pain (hers too, but it's not exactly the same thing, really).

Pact, I offer my sincerest condolences on your loss (no matter how long ago it was) and I hope you agree that I honor your brother, when I say that I hope his soul rests in peace and that he didn't go down "unanswered".

Obviously, I now feel a kinship with your dad and, if he's still alive, I hope he's managed to find some balance to cope with the pain. If he's not alive, I believe in a heaven and I hope his reunion with his son was a joyful and liberating one.



Michael

And now, it's best for me to use your quote. (Hopefully, that bit of levity will be worth something.)

There are a couple of things that I have to correct. I don't want anyone misled. I understand that some people when reading forums will misunderstand circumstances, so I want to clear that up.

My brother didn't die in uniform. My brother (the first sibling I lost) was not even an adult at the time of his passing. As my brother was older than me (all of my siblings were older than me) that put me at age eleven. That means I got an up close and personal, front row seat to watch a father grieve. My father really was of the "real men don't cry" generation. I never saw him shed a tear prior to that day. After, I couldn't tell you how many times he sobbed, what seemed uncontrollably, sometimes for hours.

It's part of what convinced me that I don't think I have the strength to lose a child. I don't know if the "why" matters. I don't know if it changes the pain on any scale. Losing that child, regardless of age, is a horrid pain, that no one should have to endure. I am, and always will be, so sorry for your loss.

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Greta, he's out of jail, but keeps committing more crimes. I think even in Singapore, a person would still be arrested and held for a few days, until he can see a judge. And he's on probation, meaning he hasn't finished the sentence for his initial crime(s).

If a judge sees you every month, and you tell him the same thing every month, how many chances do you think you should get?

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greta im reading a book about the secret service and their time with the presidents they protected. I just got done reading this and thought you might enjoying hearing it:

"Reagan was famous for firing up air force jets on behalf of children who needed transport for kidney operations...these are things you never knew about. he never bragged about it. I hand-carried checks for four thousand or five thousand dollars to people who had written him. he would say 'don't tell people. I was poor myself.'"

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greta im reading a book about the secret service and their time with the presidents they protected. I just got done reading this and thought you might enjoying hearing it:

"Reagan was famous for firing up air force jets on behalf of children who needed transport for kidney operations...these are things you never knew about. he never bragged about it. I hand-carried checks for four thousand or five thousand dollars to people who had written him. he would say 'don't tell people. I was poor myself.'"

Cheers to Reagan for that little act of Kindness.

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Much more significant than all the children he paid the contras to kill, yes.

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Much more significant than all the children he paid the contras to kill, yes.

I don't know anything about this Reagan ordering children to be killed. Do quote your source.

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yes, but as im understanding it, with the justification being they don't want him in prison, or rather back in prison, after having donated.

they are not saying that outright, but that's the only inference I can make.