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However, schools that were established for black students due to segregation are not required to take white students.

Again, bullshit.

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The cadet candidate accused of crafting the messages was not identified, but the Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the individual is no longer enrolled at the school. Sources also told the Gazette the cadet candidate "committed the act in a bizarre bid to get out of trouble he faced at the school for other misconduct," the newspaper reported.
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Oh, well, I guess someone will protest the fact this guy got kicked out of the school as racist.

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Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of . . .

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Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.

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In late September, five black cadet candidates found racial slurs scrawled on message boards on their doors at the U.S. Air Force Academy Preparatory School. One candidate found the words "go home n---" written outside his room, his mother posted on social media, according to the Air Force Times.

The racist messages roiled the academy in Colorado Springs, prompted the school to launch an investigation. They led its superintendent to deliver a stern speech that decried the "horrible language" and drew national attention for its eloquence.

But on Tuesday, the school made a jolting announcement. The person responsible for the racist messages, the academy said, was, in fact, one of the cadet candidates who reported being targeted by them.

"The individual admitted responsibility and this was validated by the investigation," academy spokesman Lt. Col. Allen Herritage said in a statement to the Associated Press, adding: "Racism has no place at the academy, in any shape or form."
After racial slurs at Air Force Academy, leader delivers powerful speech on race

The cadet candidate accused of crafting the messages was not identified, but the Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the individual is no longer enrolled at the school. Sources also told the Gazette the cadet candidate "committed the act in a bizarre bid to get out of trouble he faced at the school for other misconduct," the newspaper reported.
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Oh, well, I guess someone will protest the fact this guy got kicked out of the school as racist.

Look people we get it, the history of the United States is 200 years of bigotry, racism, inequality and even genocide. As a country we are trying to change this, and it started with the equal rights movement led by Martin Luther King jr.

But, if you think that King would have approved of the bullshit going on today, you better read his words again. Yes he protested the inequalities faced by his own people, but he also spoke quite eloquently on the need for people to be united, that all lives matter, regardless of color, that all people matter, regardless of religion or sex.

Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.

Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.

It sure as fuck does not help that the political parties in this country are going out of their way to capitalize on this.

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However, schools that were established for black students due to segregation are not required to take white students.

Again, bullshit.

You are an angry man, Jif. Your anger perfectly represents why special pleading by both political parties is so easy and necessary. Maybe there is no unifying message except it is the political unicorn. Democracy is born of strife. The divisions were in the populace before the parties were formed. The Federalists had a philosophy that opposed the Dem-Republicans. Burr and Hamilton were at odds with one another before the Brits surrendered at Yorktown. Your proposal that Liberals were at fault for special political pleading is absurd. In that respect Tweake knows a hell of a lot more about American history than do you. We have two threads here that should have been consolidated into "Don't Know Nothing About History."

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Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.

Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.

Are you suggesting that it's all the liberals' fault? It sure sounds that way.

Americans have always been segregated by racial fault lines. Liberals didn't introduce segregation - that preceded the modern concept of a 'liberal' by at least a century. Jim Crow laws were on the statute books long before anyone conceived of the noton of a liberal. Liberals didn't create the ghettoes - ghettoes also preceded the concept of a contemporary liberal by many decades.

What 'liberals' did do is draw attention to the many existing, decades-old fault lines in American society with the intention of developing policies that sought to abolish those fault lines.

Liberals here in Australia do exactly the same yet get criticised for the same reasons as our US counterparts. Here, the criticism usually comes from the same quarters that have opposed every measure, policy and/or law designed to improve the living standards of people marginalised by outdated social phobias such as racism.

In many cases, the argument you propose is adopted, then advanced enthusiastically by self proclaimed racists, who deeply resent being put on the same level ("Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American") as the people they hate. Their aim is to increase racial tensions, to solidify divisions and hate, and to keep the marginalised parts of Australian society 'in their place'.

You really need to learn to fucking read.

"the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans"

I mentioned liberals first because of one simple fact, during elections, the do not push a single, unified issue, they actually push issues specifically tailored to get specific voter groups, and they started that shit long before the GOP did.

The dems pushed the 'affirmative action' programs for colleges, making it so each school had to have a specific percentage minorities enrolled even if the applicant did not have the minimum grades to get into the fucking school.

Its bullshit.

And it was the reason there is a new term in American business and academic circles, 'the token <fill in race>' employee or student. Companies with government contracts have to hire minorities to keep those contracts even if the people are less qualified than other applicants.

And, what makes it worse is that it is more lucrative for colleges to enroll minorities rather than expand the schools to handle all qualified students due to various credits and grants that are awarded.

However, schools that were established for black students due to segregation are not required to take white students.

Again, bullshit.

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Fake hate crimes is a well known tactic employed by radical minority groups such as Black Lives Matter.

I mean, let's face it - Black Lives Matter is essentially the liberal version of Richard Spencer's National Policy Institute. A fundamentally racist organisation unable to perceive the world in shades of grey.

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Problem is that that the liberals and others have turned this country into a nation of segregated Americans, segregated by labels, African American, White American, Native American, Asian American, Mexican American, and god knows how many other ______ Americans there are.

Its no longer politically correct or acceptable just to be an American.

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Look people we get it, the history of the United States is 200 years of bigotry, racism, inequality and even genocide. As a country we are trying to change this, and it started with the equal rights movement led by Martin Luther King jr.

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But, if you think that King would have approved of the bullshit going on today, you better read his words again. Yes he protested the inequalities faced by his own people, but he also spoke quite eloquently on the need for people to be united, that all lives matter, regardless of color, that all people matter, regardless of religion or sex.

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When was it ever politically acceptable just to be an American?

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Irish immigrants came to dominate Tammany Hall and the Catholic Church by 1855.

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Fake hate crimes is a well known tactic employed by radical minority groups such as Black Lives Matter.

I mean, let's face it - Black Lives Matter is essentially the liberal version of Richard Spencer's National Policy Institute. A fundamentally racist organisation unable to perceive the world in shades of grey.

I mean, let's face it, as usual you don't know what you are talking about.

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Kinda hard to perceive the world as gray when half the unarmed police murder victims are blacks and blacks make up only 13% of the population.

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Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.

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Not sure about that last part. I must have missed out on the Irish pope thing. Irish -> US stowaways taking over the Vatican. OK. Maybe you were just talking about the C Church in the US, or more likely just NYC, even if that.

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Anyway, full agreement here; to me, if there's anything American about us at all, it's that we are nigh impossible to 'define.'

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Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.

Reading 101, A'ness. . . . .50% of UNARMED police victims are black.

At least bring a reading competence to the table.

That right there is what is known as A'ness stupid.

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Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.

Reading 101, A'ness. . . . .50% of UNARMED police victims are black.

At least bring a reading competence to the table.

That right there is what is known as A'ness stupid.

No, I read it. I just wanted to find out if it was stupidity or cherry picking that was responsible for your contention.

Clearly, it's cherry picking. Given that only 1 in 20 people shot by police are unarmed, what you're doing is excluding 95% of the available data to make a dubious claim about police brutality.

You cannot draw a clear conclusion by cherry picking the data. Especially when you obviously have a problem interpreting that data. I've explained this to you before vincie, but you clearly have a problem dealing with evidence which fails to support your conclusions.

Again. You are a bald-faced liar.

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Sure you can. Especially when we have video of cops shooting fleeing blacks in the back and then claiming they were in fear of their lives. That is exactly what the BLM complaint is about. The fact that 95% vics were armed in itself eliminates that data alone from any consideration of police brutality. At best 1.0% of racist cops make it to trial and 0.0% are ever convicted. That's why we have hyphenated Americans in this country, and the "Blue Americans" are the largest special interest. They are mostly Irish, btw. Or used to be. So, don't wriggle now that you actually read what I wrote; you are so full of shit.
And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.

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And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.

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The Washington Post has written on several studies detailing the link between police diversity and community relations. Lydia DePillis noted that a 2004 analysis of data from St. Petersburg, Florida and Indianapolis, Indiana concluded “black officers are more likely to conduct coercive actions” than their white colleagues when resolving conflicts. DePillis also references a 2006 analysis of Cincinnati Police Department records; in her words, the study found “white officers were more likely to arrest suspects than black officers overall—but it also found that black officers were significantly more likely to make an arrest when the suspect was black.”

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Of course the BLM movement and all those wonderful African American talking heads have yet to say one thing about the fact that in one year, ambush killings of police officers went from 8 to 21.

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They also have neglected to make statements concerning the simple fact that African Americans (and Hispanic Americans) are more likely to be killed by a member of their own race.

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I mentioned liberals first because of one simple fact, during elections, the do not push a single, unified issue, they actually push issues specifically tailored to get specific voter groups

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But you're all good with the mathematical precision in the OP, right?
"I guess someone will protest . . . " [i.e. 'I'm completely making shit up, here']
Or this gem;
"Problem is that that the liberals and others . . . "
We don't even have to ask about that last one, do we?
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