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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/14/2017 2:35:35 PM   
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And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.



Google is our friend, and yes there is a database for all police involved shootings which breaks down to how many victims were armed and how many were unarmed, the DoJ puts one out every year, and the Washington Post has been doing one for a few years now.

Of course the BLM movement and all those wonderful African American talking heads have yet to say one thing about the fact that in one year, ambush killings of police officers went from 8 to 21. That is one year. What is the trend?

They also have neglected to make statements concerning the simple fact that African Americans (and Hispanic Americans) are more likely to be killed by a member of their own race. That is well known.

But getting back to law enforcement, you might find this interesting.

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The Washington Post has written on several studies detailing the link between police diversity and community relations. Lydia DePillis noted that a 2004 analysis of data from St. Petersburg, Florida and Indianapolis, Indiana concluded “black officers are more likely to conduct coercive actions” than their white colleagues when resolving conflicts. DePillis also references a 2006 analysis of Cincinnati Police Department records; in her words, the study found “white officers were more likely to arrest suspects than black officers overall—but it also found that black officers were significantly more likely to make an arrest when the suspect was black.” We are talking here of shooting unarmed civilians. Stay focused please.


Sometimes, we are such innocents, Jlf. For your information . . . .

In violation of a longstanding legal mandate, scores of federal law enforcement agencies are failing to submit statistics to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's national hate crimes database, ProPublica has learned.

The lack of participation by federal law enforcement represents a significant and largely unknown flaw in the database, which is supposed to be the nation's most comprehensive source of information on hate crimes. The database is maintained by the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division, which uses it to tabulate the number of alleged hate crimes occurring around the nation each year.

The FBI has identified at least 120 federal agencies that aren't uploading information to the database, according to Amy Blasher, a unit chief at the CJIS division, an arm of the bureau that is overseeing the modernization of its information systems.

The federal government operates a vast array of law enforcement agencies—ranging from Customs and Border Protection to the Drug Enforcement Administration to the Amtrak Police—employing more than 120,000 law enforcement officers with arrest powers. The FBI would not say which agencies have declined to participate in the program, but the bureau's annual tally of hate crimes statistics does not include any offenses handled by federal law enforcement. Indeed, the problem is so widespread that the FBI itself isn't submitting the hate crimes it investigates to its own database.
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There may be a data base but basically it is not worth two pieces of turd rubbed together. At least with the shootings of unarmed civilians by our boys in blue we can count the fucking bodies. A'ness was just making up the numbers as he went along.

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/14/2017 4:40:40 PM   
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Yes, we are talking about shooting unarmed civilians, a statistic that whites lead blacks in 2 to one, of course, when you adjust for population that changes, a bit....

Until you stop and consider that unarmed Hispanics also outnumber African Americans....

And then there is the fact that BLM or any other African American mouth piece has come out and condemned the shooting of police officers from ambush, a number which tripled in one year.

Of course, if ANY one dares to make the statement that the shooting of any unarmed individual by police, regardless of race, is immediately told they are racists by BLM talking heads.

Lets face facts, police involved shootings are up across the board, hell, reports of police brutality are on the rise, against all skin colors.

Of course, that is not important as the current spin out of the BLM is that only African American males matter, the other races dont fucking count.

A stand, that by the very definition of racism, is racist.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

When the idea that any unarmed individual shot and killed by police is considered the issue and not just those of one color, I may actually get a bit more sympathetic.

Hell, when an white unarmed Vet was killed by cops locally a couple of years ago, it didnt rate national coverage.

But hey, any accusation involving an African American rates national coverage, celebrity spokespersons, and is condemned by everyone.

Like I said, its hard to get sympathetic for a cause when it completely ignores an underlying problem.

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/14/2017 6:39:27 PM   
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White people make up 62% of the population - 49% of police shooting victims are white.

Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.


The guy does know how to make a point, doesn't he?

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/14/2017 6:50:38 PM   
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Like I said, its hard to get sympathetic for a cause when it completely ignores an underlying problem.


So why don't you state explicitly what that 'underlying problem' is, then.

No, wait . . .

I re-read your last post.

You find it impossible to stick up for all the WASP victims of police murder of civilians because of great increase in police brutality and murder stats overall, and then we have the unpatriotic (and unpleasant, as it seems) BLM folks even opening their mouth about it, as if they were Americans or something.

Okay, got it.


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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/15/2017 7:33:47 AM   
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Lets face facts, police involved shootings are up across the board, hell, reports of police brutality are on the rise, against all skin colors.

Of course, that is not important as the current spin out of the BLM is that only African American males matter, the other races dont fucking count.

A stand, that by the very definition of racism, is racist.


What that tells me is that white people are too fucking lazy or too invested in the law and order status quo to get off their fat corn-dog asses, move away from the TV screen, and get themselves out to protests. For the most part, as has been abundantly clear on these threads, white folks are more likely to sympathize and defend Blue violence than to take up the issue in any meaningful way. Look at what you're saying:

a movement begun by three black ladies over social media has put lazy-ass white people to shame.


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When the idea that any unarmed individual shot and killed by police is considered the issue and not just those of one color, I may actually get a bit more sympathetic.

Hell, when an white unarmed Vet was killed by cops locally a couple of years ago, it didnt rate national coverage.


Hey, nobody stopping your lazy ass from starting up a protest unless you're afraid them good ol boys down in the Hollow are goona shoot you dead. But, that's the risk in social activism isn't it?


Where were you when in 2014 . . .

Black Lives Matter demonstrated against the deaths of numerous African Americans by police actions, including those of Dontre Hamilton, Eric Garner, John Crawford III, Michael Brown, Ezell Ford, Laquan McDonald, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Antonio Martin, and Jerame Reid, and Eric Garner among others.

Where were you when

In August, during Labor Day weekend, Black Lives Matter organized a "Freedom Ride", that brought more than 500 African-Americans from across the United States into Ferguson, Missouri, to support the work being done on the ground by local organizations.[76][77] The movement continued to be involved in the Ferguson unrest, following the death of Michael Brown.[78] Also in August, Los Angeles Police Department officers shot and killed Ezell Ford. Following the shooting, BLM protested his death in Los Angeles into 2015.[79]

Were you too busy when . . .

In November, a New York City Police Department officer shot and killed, Akai Gurley, a 28-year-old African-American man. Gurley's death was later protested by Black Lives Matter in New York City.[80] In Oakland, California, fourteen Black Lives Matter activists were arrested after they stopped a Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) train for more than an hour on Black Friday, one of the biggest shopping days of the year. The protest, led by Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza, was organized in response to the grand jury decision not to indict Darren Wilson for the death of Mike Brown.[81][82]

Also in November, Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old African-American boy was shot and killed by a Cleveland police officer.

In December, 2,000–3,000 people gathered at the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota, to protest the killings of unarmed black men by police.[85] At least twenty members of a protest that had been using the slogan were arrested.[86] In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, BLM protested the police shooting of Dontre Hamilton, who died in April.[87] Black Lives Matter protested the shooting of John Crawford III.[88] The shooting of Renisha McBride was protested by Black Lives Matter.[89]


Also in December, in response to the decision by the grand jury not to indict Darren Wilson on any charges related to the death of Michael Brown, a protest march was held in Berkeley, California. Later, in 2015, protesters and journalists who participated in that rally filed a lawsuit alleging "unconstitutional police attacks" on attendees.[90]

In 2015, Black Lives Matter demonstrated against the deaths of numerous African Americans by police actions, including those of Charley Leundeu Keunang, Tony Robinson, Anthony Hill, Meagan Hockaday, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, William Chapman, The Charleston Nine, Jonathan Sanders, Sandra Bland, Samuel DuBose, Jeremy McDole, Corey Jones, and Jamar Clark, among others.

In March, BLM protested at Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel's office, demanding reforms within the Chicago Police Department.[91] Charley Leundeu Keunang, a 43-year-old Cameroonian national, was fatally shot by Los Angeles Police Department officers. The LAPD arrested fourteen following BLM demonstrations.[92]

In April, Black Lives Matter across the United States protested over the death of Freddie Gray which included the 2015 Baltimore protests.[93][94] After the shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston, South Carolina, Black Lives Matter protested Scott's death and called for citizen oversight of police.[95]

In May, a protest by BLM in San Francisco was part of a nationwide protest, Say Her Name, decrying the police killing of black women and girls, which included the deaths of Meagan Hockaday, Aiyana Jones, Rekia Boyd, and others.[96] In Cleveland, Ohio, after an officer was acquitted at trial in the shooting of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, BLM protested.[97] In Madison, Wisconsin, BLM protested after the officer was not charged in the shooting of Tony Robinson.[98]
Black Lives Matter protest against St. Paul police brutality at Metro Green Line

In June, after Dylann Roof's shooting in a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, BLM issued a statement and condemned the shooting as an act of terror.[99] BLM across the country marched, protested and held vigil for several days after the shooting.[100][101] BLM was part of a march for peace on the Arthur Ravenel Jr. Bridge in South Carolina.[102] After the Charleston shooting, a number of memorials to the Confederate States of America were graffitied with "Black Lives Matter" or otherwise vandalized.[103][104] Around 800 people protested in McKinney, Texas after a video was released showing an officer pinning a girl—at a pool party in McKinney, Texas—to the ground with his knees.[105]

In July, BLM activists across the United States began protests over the death of Sandra Bland, an African-American woman, who was allegedly found hanged in a jail cell in Waller County, Texas.[106][107] In Cincinnati, Ohio, BLM rallied and protested the death of Samuel DuBose after he was shot and killed by a University of Cincinnati police officer.[108] In Newark, New Jersey, over a thousand BLM activists marched against police brutality, racial injustice, and economic inequality.[109] Also in July, BLM protested the death of Jonathan Sanders who died while being arrested by police in Mississippi.[110][111]


Oh, there is so much more, but you get my point, don't you? Get out from behind your PC and do something productive instead of just bitching about what black people are doing. So easy to dismiss what other people are doing in the name of Equality, innit? So easy to call them thugs and denigrate their efforts and call them racists. What a joke, jlf!

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/15/2017 8:29:32 AM   
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yeah, and the common theme, African Americans.

Like I said, the BLM people have not said much, if anything, about cops being shot from ambush.

And the fucking media dont say shit about an unarmed vet being killed by cops, unless that vet happens to be black.

nor do they say shit about Hispanics, Asian Americans or any other minority being killed by cops.

You know, funny thing is that I admire Martin Luther King Jr. for his stand on equal rights for African Americans, which was his primary focus, but it was the over all message that equal rights were for everyone regardless of skin color.

Martin Luther King jr. supported the Native American rights movement before he was assassinated.

The fucked up part is that while the BLM people will point to him as an inspiration, they seem to either forget that his message applied to not only African Americans, but women, Native Americans, anyone of any race or sex that suffered from discrimination.

Let me fill you in on some things.

I agree that African Americans have gotten a raw deal in the United States. I have never denied that.

I agree there is a racial bias in many police departments, again never denied it.

I agree that, depending on the area, non whites are more likely to be stopped by police than whites.

In most parts of the US, that would mean that African American males are going to be stopped, and since no other term actually applies, harassed by police, if for no other reason than their skin color.

However, and this is the basis for my whole argument, in areas where the African American population is not as high as say, Ferguson MO, or Baltimore, or NYC or Chicago, other races suffer equal harassment.

Yet when that is protested, the news media does not seem to be as interested.

Why?

In the south western US, Latinos are 12 times more likely to be pulled over by police than African Americans, and 17 times more likely than whites. In towns near Indian Reservations, native Americans are 14 times more likely to be pulled over by non tribal police than whites, African Americans or any other race.

Why?

Hell, in the major metro areas of the United States, African American cops are 7 times more likely to pull over an African American than a white person, or a person of any other race.

Why?

It sure as hell isnt because African Americans commit more crimes than anyone else, hell that has been proven god knows how many times.

My point is that you, the news media, and anyone that matters is ignoring a much bigger point, and in the process, making the whole Black Lives Matter argument bullshit.

Let me tell you something.

During world war two, in the segregated US military, African American soldiers who served with distinction, above and beyond the call of duty were recognized for their achievements during their tour of duty.

Yet, two groups, who served with equal distinction, many of whom either died in combat doing things that would have earned an African American or any other race at least a distinguished service medal were forgotten for decades.

Do you have a clue who I am talking about?

The code talkers. In the Pacific, it was the Navajo, in the ETO they were Cherokee.

Let me drop another bombshell on your ass.

In 1924, the Snider Act granted full citizenship to Native Americans, but it was another forty years before Native Americans were allowed to vote in all fifty states.

You know those 'whites only' signs so prominent in the history books as related to African American segregation, they applied to Native Americans as well.

But hey, the only minority that matters is the African Americans.

As long as you keep the fuck everyone else attitude, I will keep saying you are full of shit.



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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/15/2017 9:29:03 PM   
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Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.


Reading 101, A'ness. . . . .50% of UNARMED police victims are black.

At least bring a reading competence to the table.

That right there is what is known as A'ness stupid.
No, I read it. I just wanted to find out if it was stupidity or cherry picking that was responsible for your contention.

Clearly, it's cherry picking. Given that only 1 in 20 people shot by police are unarmed, what you're doing is excluding 95% of the available data to make a dubious claim about police brutality.

You cannot draw a clear conclusion by cherry picking the data. Especially when you obviously have a problem interpreting that data. I've explained this to you before vincie, but you clearly have a problem dealing with evidence which fails to support your conclusions.

Again. You are a bald-faced liar.


Sure you can. Especially when we have video of cops shooting fleeing blacks in the back and then claiming they were in fear of their lives. That is exactly what the BLM complaint is about. The fact that 95% vics were armed in itself eliminates that data alone from any consideration of police brutality. At best 1.0% of racist cops make it to trial and 0.0% are ever convicted. That's why we have hyphenated Americans in this country, and the "Blue Americans" are the largest special interest. They are mostly Irish, btw. Or used to be. So, don't wriggle now that you actually read what I wrote; you are so full of shit.
At this point, you've been called out on your lies and are babbling frantically to try and cover your idiocy.

Your claim of systemic racism leading to deaths is unsupported by the evidence and your attempt at misrepresentation of statistics is dishonesty typical of the conspiracy theorist. Your need to lie about police statistics in an effort to prove racism makes you a vile racist.

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And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.
So now you're just ignorant as well as as a liar. This is why you're so pathetic when you debate. You're terrible at constructing an argument and you just flat out lie about the evidence.

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/16/2017 5:20:17 AM   
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And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.

So now you're just ignorant as well as as a liar. This is why you're so pathetic when you debate. You're terrible at constructing an argument and you just flat out lie about the evidence.

Ring me up when you can produce a reliable national data base on officer involved killings. Until then just keep sucking your thumb after you remove it from your ass.

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/16/2017 5:22:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.


Reading 101, A'ness. . . . .50% of UNARMED police victims are black.

At least bring a reading competence to the table.

That right there is what is known as A'ness stupid.
No, I read it. I just wanted to find out if it was stupidity or cherry picking that was responsible for your contention.

Clearly, it's cherry picking. Given that only 1 in 20 people shot by police are unarmed, what you're doing is excluding 95% of the available data to make a dubious claim about police brutality.

You cannot draw a clear conclusion by cherry picking the data. Especially when you obviously have a problem interpreting that data. I've explained this to you before vincie, but you clearly have a problem dealing with evidence which fails to support your conclusions.

Again. You are a bald-faced liar.


Sure you can. Especially when we have video of cops shooting fleeing blacks in the back and then claiming they were in fear of their lives. That is exactly what the BLM complaint is about. The fact that 95% vics were armed in itself eliminates that data alone from any consideration of police brutality. At best 1.0% of racist cops make it to trial and 0.0% are ever convicted. That's why we have hyphenated Americans in this country, and the "Blue Americans" are the largest special interest. They are mostly Irish, btw. Or used to be. So, don't wriggle now that you actually read what I wrote; you are so full of shit.
At this point, you've been called out on your lies and are babbling frantically to try and cover your idiocy.

Your claim of systemic racism leading to deaths is unsupported by the evidence and your attempt at misrepresentation of statistics is dishonesty typical of the conspiracy theorist. Your need to lie about police statistics in an effort to prove racism makes you a vile racist.

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And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.
So now you're just ignorant as well as as a liar. This is why you're so pathetic when you debate. You're terrible at constructing an argument and you just flat out lie about the evidence.

There are no reliable statistics from Cornpone Junction, fool.

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/16/2017 5:29:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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Black people make up 13.5% of the population - 24% of police shooting victims are black.


Reading 101, A'ness. . . . .50% of UNARMED police victims are black.

At least bring a reading competence to the table.

That right there is what is known as A'ness stupid.
No, I read it. I just wanted to find out if it was stupidity or cherry picking that was responsible for your contention.

Clearly, it's cherry picking. Given that only 1 in 20 people shot by police are unarmed, what you're doing is excluding 95% of the available data to make a dubious claim about police brutality.

You cannot draw a clear conclusion by cherry picking the data. Especially when you obviously have a problem interpreting that data. I've explained this to you before vincie, but you clearly have a problem dealing with evidence which fails to support your conclusions.

Again. You are a bald-faced liar.


Sure you can. Especially when we have video of cops shooting fleeing blacks in the back and then claiming they were in fear of their lives. That is exactly what the BLM complaint is about. The fact that 95% vics were armed in itself eliminates that data alone from any consideration of police brutality. At best 1.0% of racist cops make it to trial and 0.0% are ever convicted. That's why we have hyphenated Americans in this country, and the "Blue Americans" are the largest special interest. They are mostly Irish, btw. Or used to be. So, don't wriggle now that you actually read what I wrote; you are so full of shit.
At this point, you've been called out on your lies and are babbling frantically to try and cover your idiocy.

Your claim of systemic racism leading to deaths is unsupported by the evidence and your attempt at misrepresentation of statistics is dishonesty typical of the conspiracy theorist. Your need to lie about police statistics in an effort to prove racism makes you a vile racist.

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And where do you get the one in twenty from? There is no national data base for unarmed police victims. You make shit up as you go along.
So now you're just ignorant as well as as a liar. This is why you're so pathetic when you debate. You're terrible at constructing an argument and you just flat out lie about the evidence.

There are no reliable statistics from Cornpone Junction, fool.
You apparently think there are reliable statistics which support your wild and unsubstantiated claims, but then you think statistics merely stop where you want them to. You are a fucking moron.

You seriously think that in police shootings, nobody records if the perpetrator was armed. Really? Are you that much of a fucking ill-informed bigot?

Christ, you're such a boring little inadequate. No wonder you sit at home muttering conspiracy theories to yourself, blaming everyone else for your shitty little existence.


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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/16/2017 6:41:25 AM   
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However, and this is the basis for my whole argument, in areas where the African American population is not as high as say, Ferguson MO, or Baltimore, or NYC or Chicago, other races suffer equal harassment.


Other races suffer equal harassment but get a greater share of justice.

Over the past five years, whites in Chicago were almost seven times more likely to have their police misconduct complaints sustained than African-Americans, even though blacks filed three times more complaints against police officers, according to an analysis based on a new public database.

The Chicago Police Department’s Internal Bureau of Investigation and the Independent Police Review Authority examined about 17,500 complaints of police misconduct between March 2011 and September 2015 in which the complainants were not anonymous. Of those, 61 percent were filed by African-Americans, 21 percent by whites and 12 percent by Hispanics, according to an analysis by The Chicago Reporter and City Bureau, a Chicago-based newsroom and journalism training lab.

But of the complaints sustained, only 25 percent were filed by African-Americans, compared to 58 percent by whites and 15 percent by Hispanics. Each group represents about a third of the city’s population.

“Race matters,” said Craig Futterman, law professor and director of the University of Chicago’s Civil Rights and Police Accountability Project. “It matters in terms of who is most likely to be victimized by police abuse, it matters in terms of who is most likely to be believed when there is a complaint, and it matters within the Police Department in terms of racial bias.”

RACE MATTERS

Race matters. Complaints by people of color are ignored way more often than those by white people. Your argument that whites are more victimized just doesn't hold up.

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Like I said, the BLM people have not said much, if anything, about cops being shot from ambush.

And the fucking media dont say shit about an unarmed vet being killed by cops, unless that vet happens to be black.

nor do they say shit about Hispanics, Asian Americans or any other minority being killed by cops.


Well, goddamnit, jlf, make up your fucking mind. You condemn blacks for protesting too much and now you complain because they don't protest against police brutality on other races. You want them to do all the heavy carrying, hey?

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Of course, if ANY one dares to make the statement that the shooting of any unarmed individual by police, regardless of race, is immediately told they are racists by BLM talking heads.


Where is the BLM protest when a white person is shot by the police?

In the aftermath of the police shooting of Justine Damond, many on the right of the political spectrum asked on social media: “Where are the protests now?”
Minneapolis protests as police chief quits over Justine Damond shooting
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The claim was clear: when a black cop killed a white woman, Black Lives Matter, or other African American activists pushing for police reform, would not be quick to protest.

That narrative went mainstream on Wednesday, in a piece by CNN writer Doug Criss. Criss noted that a vigil was held for Damond the day after the shooting, but added that “there weren’t widespread protest marches, like the ones Black Lives Matter held last year after Philando Castile’s shooting death at the hands of an officer in nearby Falcon Heights”.

Criss went on to quote David Love, a journalist who writes on race issues whom Criss said had not “seen too many people from the movement express any anger or outrage about the shooting”.

They spoke too soon. Any doubts about the diverse nature of the groups rallying around Damond’s case were answered on Friday, during a media conference Minneapolis mayor Betsy Hodges held to explain her decision to ask for the resignation of police chief Janeé Harteau in the wake of the Damond shooting.

Hodges was only a few sentences in when protesters began streaming in the door. One of them, John Thompson, a friend of Philando Castile who has become a fixture at protests after Castile’s death, quickly interrupted her, asking her to resign. Soon afterward he and another community activist, Chauntyll Allen, were leading the now crowded room in chants of “If Justine don’t get it, shut it down”, echoing a similar cry used during the protests against Castile’s shooting.

Whatever one thinks about their tactics, the group of protesters that interrupted that media conference on Friday was diverse, with a large contingent of young white protesters and several long-time black activists in the lead. Was this is a new trend that Criss and Love had missed?

The truth is that black activists have been at the forefront since day one.

Last Saturday night, Damond, a 40-year-old spiritual healer from Sydney, Australia, called 911 to report a possible sexual assault. She was in her pyjamas when she approached the Minneapolis squad car that responded. Officer Mohamed Noor, who was in the passenger seat, shot her through the driver’s side window.

About 300 people attended the vigil, near the crime scene, the next day. Cathy Jones, an African American woman who works as a mail carrier by day, was one of the organizers. Following the police shootings of Jamar Clark in 2015 and Philando Castile last year, she marched at protests with Black Lives Matter and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). Last week, she went to South Minneapolis soon after hearing of the shooting, to see how she could help.

It’s never been about race. It’s been about police accountability.
Cathy Jones, activist


“I think it’s important because these are things that affect our community every single day,” she said. “It’s never been about race. It’s been about police accountability.”

Mel Reeves, an African-American man who has been a neighborhood activist for more than two decades, was also part of the group that organized the vigil.

“When these incidents happen it’s important to put as much pressure on the system as possible,” he said. “To get answers, to get justice. It’s important to let the system, the power structure, know that people aren’t going to just lay down.”

While it’s impossible to paint activists of color with one brush – they have different approaches, tactics, affiliations and ideologies – those rallying around the Damond shooting share a belief that her death was caused by the kind of police violence they have been working to stop. They also believe that as, community members, they have a duty to show up.

Jason Sole, the president of the Minneapolis NAACP, also attended the vigil. “We felt like just from a humanitarian perspective, we are not only for black people, we are for all people,” he said, “so that’s why it was important for us to come to the ground and just show our faces.”
Justine Damond's death is a tragedy – as every police killing in America is

The influence of such activists could have been missed by outside observers. While they support the larger movement for police reform and racial equity, they do not necessarily fall under the easily Googled banner of “Black Lives Matter”. BLM has a chapter in Minneapolis that has at times been hugely influential. But it is far from the only group working on issues related to police shootings.

Most black activists have also tried to balance speaking out with deference to Damond’s family and the residents of her neighborhood.

“When we are protesting and we rising up against injustice, we want people to support us and help us out but we don’t want them to take the lead,” Sole said. “I didn’t feel it was appropriate at the Minneapolis NAACP to try and take the lead on this.”

Shaun King, a columnist with the New York Daily News who covers police brutality and Black Lives Matter, says critics questioning the willingness of black activists to address police violence against white victims often do so in error.

“I see regularly, ‘Why don’t you speak out against police brutality that affects white people?” he said. “When people say that to an activist or to me, they clearly don’t have their ears to the ground.

“It didn’t surprise me at all that people from all walks of life showed up from day one there in Minneapolis, because people are bothered by injustice and when they see this, it wasn’t racial.”

The similarity is that the police are trigger happy.
King Demetrius Pendleton, protester

The diversity of protesters in Minneapolis was impossible to miss on Thursday, as hundreds marched through Damond’s neighborhood. Also clear was the thread that so many saw connecting Damond’s death with that of Philando Castile. His mother, Valerie Castile, hugged Dom Damond, Justine’s fiance. John Thompson, a friend and coworker of Castile who became an activist after his death, gave an impassioned speech, as he has at many other protests over the last year.

You are either ignorant of the facts or you deliberately spread lies Jlf.



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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/16/2017 6:44:53 AM   
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You seriously think that in police shootings, nobody records if the perpetrator was armed. Really? Are you that much of a fucking ill-informed bigot?

The information has huge holes in it just like your brain cavity. I gave you the citation. Go argue with the author. I don't wish to waste my time with an ignorant ass like yourself. You are abysmally ignorant of rural American police procedures.

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/16/2017 6:51:27 AM   
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Hell, when an white unarmed Vet was killed by cops locally a couple of years ago, it didnt rate national coverage.


And I'll bet you didn't get up off your lazy ass and protest!

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/20/2017 8:32:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You seriously think that in police shootings, nobody records if the perpetrator was armed. Really? Are you that much of a fucking ill-informed bigot?

The information has huge holes in it just like your brain cavity. I gave you the citation. Go argue with the author. I don't wish to waste my time with an ignorant ass like yourself. You are abysmally ignorant of rural American police procedures.
So in other words, you confess you have no idea what you're talking about.

Not for the first time, I might add.


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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/22/2017 6:34:15 AM   
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Another Example

What really confuses me is:

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“The use of the N-word, in the context of the message on the bathroom mirror, provoked feelings of hate, not love. As I stated last week, actions and speech which degrade an individual’s human dignity have no place in school; they have no place at Central High.”


Probably poor journalism or, I guess the speaker might have let their tongue get out, in front of their brain, but that first sentence seems to hint that there's a way to use that word to "provoke feelings of love"?



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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/23/2017 6:37:48 AM   
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Probably poor journalism or, I guess the speaker might have let their tongue get out, in front of their brain, but that first sentence seems to hint that there's a way to use that word to "provoke feelings of love"?
Michael[/color]


Isn't "brotherhood" being expressed when someone calls someone else "my N-" (with the 'er' replaced with an 'a')?

You know, like....

https://youtu.be/Kppx4bzfAaE

(if you want a big laugh, watch the video. It's shameful, imo, and the it's existence and that someone thought it was a good idea are what cause me to laugh).




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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/23/2017 6:50:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Probably poor journalism or, I guess the speaker might have let their tongue get out, in front of their brain, but that first sentence seems to hint that there's a way to use that word to "provoke feelings of love"?
Michael


Isn't "brotherhood" being expressed when someone calls someone else "my N-" (with the 'er' replaced with an 'a')?

You know, like....

https://youtu.be/Kppx4bzfAaE

(if you want a big laugh, watch the video. It's shameful, imo, and the it's existence and that someone thought it was a good idea are what cause me to laugh).



But is that what you got out of reading that sentence?

I did suggest it might be poor journalism, but I had it beat into my head that if it was within quotation marks, I had better be dead-nuts accurate.



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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/23/2017 8:46:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You seriously think that in police shootings, nobody records if the perpetrator was armed. Really? Are you that much of a fucking ill-informed bigot?

The information has huge holes in it just like your brain cavity. I gave you the citation. Go argue with the author. I don't wish to waste my time with an ignorant ass like yourself. You are abysmally ignorant of rural American police procedures.
So in other words, you confess you have no idea what you're talking about.

Not for the first time, I might add.


Not so. I am quite aware of the shabby condition of the FBI records. Just pointing out that your knowledge of the FBI accounts is as poor as your knowledge of the history of the abolitionist movement and the civil rights movement is in my country. What a pretentious dolt you are!

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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/23/2017 9:23:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Probably poor journalism or, I guess the speaker might have let their tongue get out, in front of their brain, but that first sentence seems to hint that there's a way to use that word to "provoke feelings of love"?
Michael

Isn't "brotherhood" being expressed when someone calls someone else "my N-" (with the 'er' replaced with an 'a')?
You know, like....
https://youtu.be/Kppx4bzfAaE
(if you want a big laugh, watch the video. It's shameful, imo, and the it's existence and that someone thought it was a good idea are what cause me to laugh).

But is that what you got out of reading that sentence?
I did suggest it might be poor journalism, but I had it beat into my head that if it was within quotation marks, I had better be dead-nuts accurate.
Peace,
Michael


I don't understand how using a demeaning and hateful word can be used in to promote "feelings of love" or "brotherhood." Thus, the humor I find in that YouTube video.


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RE: And this crap dont help - 11/23/2017 9:28:32 AM   
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To begin with this is a self criticism of the sentencing that took place after the mandatory/minimum sentences were mandated in Federal cases and again after they were upheld by Case Law. There are no outside body of similar cases upon which to draw comparison. No control groups unless you can find them in the northern Cascades of Idaho. So, this is a self analysis within the group bounded by the Federal limits. The self analysis shows us very week correlations unless you can specify the nature and details of criminal violence, which cannot be done with the data on hand. Secondly, it is clear that all white females are given more lenient sentences than any of the other groups and all the black males are given the harshest sentences no matter what time span is involved overlapping which events and no matter that the sentencing for drug sale and possession was greatly reduced, giving the ILLUSION of a closure between the male sentences. No matter which way you slice it black males end up with the harshest sentences, once again confirming the institutional bias against black males regardless of whether black males look arrogant, unrepentant, or defiant on sentencing day in court. There is no factor regression for white fear.

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