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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/30/2006 5:36:37 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Against your will simply means something you know is wrong and against your values, you cannot be convinced is ok and for your values and do it- you will reject the idea.

THese things however ARE things you want to have happen to you, you will get off on them in some way and you will enjoy it occurring.  THat's the entire irony of rape play at all- you want to be forced.  Whether you would be good for hypnosis in this particular scene depends on your own make-up and how good the other person is at it- but the idea that you want to be forced into it won't be a problem in this context, because you do WANT to be forced.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:38:55 PM   
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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:41:05 PM   
slavejlb


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Status: offline 		to be honest with my ex master due to some of darker fansties writen in some of stories we did explore the idea, but our realtionship like many of cinderella slipper dreams and realtionships fall by the way side.
He would have been the only one i would have done it with i trusted him that much
take care and be safe
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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:42:51 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Nasty Daddy: I am thinking: First, "Alvin and the Chipmunks'" Christmas song, followed by "2001 - A Space Odyssey" - and interchanging those two, one after the other, for about 2 hours - I think that is surreal enough to zone me, with the blindfold and ballgag. The rest are great and wonderful suggestions, too. So many great songs, so little time in an evening. You will get a full report, when I do this,
I assure you.Thanks for your kind and brilliant suggestions. You've restored my hope in bdsm humanity.  I am totally serious, too. I am taking your suggestions completely seriously. I think they will work. 

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 7/30/2006 6:06:47 PM >

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:45:02 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Nasty Daddy: It had to be the movie "Men In Black". What a riot!!

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:46:21 PM   
spankmepink11


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Status: offline 		I'm a little phobic about pharmacueticals, so i wouldn't advocate being drugged  for that particular fantasy. But since it's a hot concept, i think something herbal, or as NastyDaddy suggested sensory deprivation (a favorite of mine)  would be great. I also agree with the idea of trying it out in a safe environment to see how it affects you before you  use anything "mood altering" during BDSM play.

Good luck

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/30/2006 5:48:30 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		LA:That answers my question about whether hypnosis might indeed work here.
JessieMe, did you see this? (she wanted to know about this, too).
Thank you very much, LA. I am supposedly highly hypnotizeable. 

popeye: I get the general gist, and think it's an idea well worth considering. I
appreciate the input. 

slavejib: Thanks for the reply

spankmepink: I agree. The scarily bad songs, mixed together with Sensory Deprivation idea together I think are pricelessly funny - plus I think they may well work. It's just bizzare enough for me to actually want to try (really) too. 

- Susan 

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 7/30/2006 5:55:16 PM >

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:49:20 PM   
mp072004


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Status: offline 		The herbal thing may have been valerian--a pain reliever and sedative. I have overmedicated my dog with it, and he slept soundly for ten hours and acted intoxicated when he awakened, but it didn't harm him.

There was a thread on another popular BDSM personal site about a week or two ago that addressed being out cold or drowsy in a scene. It seems like it's unusually popular this month.

You may want to check out some ravishment groups or boards, like RavNet (ravnet.net). The "chloro" approach, which involves ravishing (play-raping) a sleepy or drugged bottom who is made so by chloroform or, usually, other means, is more widely represented in ravishment communities than in "straight" BDSM ones.

Have you ever had an opiate pain reliever such as codeine prescribed to you [these are the kinds that say "do not drive, do not operate machinery"], and if so, did you keep the leftover pills? If you did, you could take a dose and it should cause a drowsy, spacey feeling. You already know that these particular pain pills don't cause a bad reaction in you, and you probably know how they interact with other medications. Further, it's not uncommon for people to take a leftover prescription pain pill for a nasty headache. If you did need to go to the emergency room because of this scene, you could tell the doctors what you took without arousing suspicion of your playmate, maybe, "I threw out my back moving furniture, and it hurt terribly. I had some Vicodin left over from oral surgery last year, so I took a pill. I don't know why I reacted so badly to it."

Monica

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:49:38 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Oh Susan! You'd also want some surprises in your rape scene right? You know, like something you wearn't "expecting?"

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:52:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont know it just doesnt sound safe to me

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 5:59:24 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		mp072004:
valerian, eh? Good to know - maybe that was it (I can ask).

Ravnet. eh? I was not aware there was a ravishment site, Good to know.

You are just a font of information, I must say, Thank You Very Much!

I cannot take anything with codeine (or alcohol). But, if I could, that would be a great suggestion, and I did appreciate it.

Wow - thanks for all of the quality information. It's wonderful.

popeye: Surprises are always nice. I have the feeling I'll get them whether I want them or not (as long as they're not too completley horrifying, that's fine w/me). 

- Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:00:42 PM   
BenignPlague


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Status: offline 		This kind of play, while it may be consensual and pre-negotiated as much as can be, enters the realm of high-risk activity.  If you were serious about something like this, I'd suggest having your own big huge guy hiding in a closet in case the scene goes awry.

I'm sure you have the fantasy of it being one on one, rape type, etc, but you can never be too careful.  Just don't confuse fantasy with recklessness, and you'll be fine.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:04:15 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		enigmabrat: I know, I know. I sound excited about it - and I am, but part of me is still mulling all of this over (believe me). Might not sound like it, but it's true. I have always wanted to experience a forced rape scene, though. The suggestion Top Curious had about making sure how I felt about that part first, without being groggy, was a good one. Plus, I would never do this with someone I was not sure I could trust.

- Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:12:33 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Benign Plague: You're scaring me. What - you think some guy would do a gang bang kind of thing? OMG, now I am nervous. Maybe a big huge guy is something to consider. Can they be rented for an evening? I guess I do know one or two.
Just not sure how this would work. Guess they'd have to be into bdsm, too, or else the request would sound weird:
Like -
"Hey - would you mind being my beef-cake protection while a do a "play" forced rape scene next Friday eve? Say, around eightish? Great. Yes, it does sound more interesting that that fake wrestling show you usually watch on cable, doesn't it. Please bring a gun, too, if you remember, but no biggie deal, Thanks. I really owe you one."

I am just teasing (it's an idea, and I appreciate the thought). Thank you for being considerate.

- Susan  

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 7/30/2006 6:24:28 PM >

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:16:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Susan, how about this for a surprise; your "attacker" carries you into the bedroom, throws you on the bed and ties both of your arms to the bedposts.
He then ties your legs wide open using a spreader bar and hoists it up and ties it securely to the ceiling. You wait there for a few minutes.You can't see, you can't hear. All of a sudden you feel a pair of hands on your inner thighs, then,........another pair of hands,.then ....another pair!
He brought friends and you're going to be Gang Raped!!!

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/30/2006 6:23:27 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Doctor D: Well, I guess I couldn't be sure what they'd be using, as far as that goes. Maybe the Sensory Depribvation or Hypnosis is the best idea. The drug idea kinda makes me nervous because so much can badly interact with what I already take as far as prescription meds. I'd have to research valerian. Chloroform is a deifnite NO, as is any "date rape" drug. I have to say, the Sensory Deprivation idea is just a classic, especially with that music. Really.

- Ssuan 

- Susan   

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:24:25 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Susan, and make sure "Mr. Beefcake" is REALLY "in the closet" or there might be FOUR sets of hands on your inner thighs!

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:28:33 PM   
BuxomGoddess714


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Status: offline 		Being in an altered state during play can be cool, but do not mix medications, herbal, over the counter, illegal or prescription with your prescriptions or alcohol until you talk to your doctor or pharmicist.  Don't listen to Our advice on specific meds, everyone's health issue is different.  You may not get the desired results and may have serious complications (not fun, especially in a scene).

People need to stop being afraid of being honest with their health care professionals.  They are some of the kinkiest people and biggest drug users in the world and have seen and heard it all.  I've dated LOTS of doctors and nurses, they are perverts and party animals.  They work for YOU, not the other way around.  You are paying them for their time, expertise and advice.  Do not be afraid to ask them exactly what you need to know.  They are not the DEA, they won't be shocked by your questions, they work for you and are there to help you.

I recently used Xanax with a submissive to relax him.  We were going to extremes and beyond old limits, but he trusts me like a Mother, wanted to be pushed, but was nervous.  He knew I was going to use it (just not exactly when), we discussed it ahead of time, got a low does, I used half of that, and made sure there was not a medical issue.  I have used other drugs, including the herb Valarian many many times.  Never without them knowing, never without knowing their medical history, etc.  Not all Dom/mes have integrity or take such excellent care of those trusted to their care.  Sometimes a sub will tell me something is "ok" for them to do or take and I question their information and talk to My own doctor, gynocologist, Enocrinologist or therapist.  Many people are self destructive.  I won't destroy any property, whether I own it, am training it, assisting in training, or am just playing with it.  I don't have a habit of trashing my friend's Jag when I borrow it, either (I dont even smoke or bring food in the damn thing...) people are more valuable then cars.

Do NOT expect most Dom/me's to be of such a mindset.  You need to protect yourself.  Slipping anything into somebody's drink, etc. without their full medical background and knowledge is unacceptable and dangerous.  Sometimes even at their request, a Domme needs to be a good Leader and say "No, thats not safe, I wont do it".

Blessings,
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PS:  I am for that Zamfir and his PanFlute cd for bratty slaves.  That would bore anybody to tears ;)

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:29:54 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		popeye: Yes. I understand that could possibly somehow happen. I appreciate the thought. I do. I just am having  hard time figuring out how I'd get this guy in the room, even. I wouldn't want to lie to the Dominant about someone being there. And that's if anyone woud even agree to do it. I am not experienced enough to honestly know if making this request of someone would be considered some weird faux pas of bdsm etiquette. Of course I suppose that should be the least of my concerns. 

Then there's the fact that I've always sort of considered forced rape a more private moment between one person and another. Maybe the beef-cake protector guy could be listening to an Alvin and the Chipmunks CD on a headset, while in the closet. That would work to drown out the less private sound effects. 
I truly did appreciate the consideration behind that suggestion, though.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 7/30/2006 6:52:13 PM >

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/30/2006 6:37:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Buxom, all good advice. I don't play with drugs, never did.
And you are absolutely right about health care professionals being the kinkiest people on earth.
Susan, I can't take codeine either. I throw it up.

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