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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/31/2006 10:46:32 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Thank you, Mistress Sassy! Any information on valerian root would be nice (here or in an e-mail on the other side). I appreciate the other info you mentioned also. Thanks!

- Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 10:49:44 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		mnottertail: Calling Dominants who engage in this type of activity 'Men in Black' does  seem appropriate.

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/31/2006 10:56:10 PM   
Yang4yin


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Status: offline 		History of Valerian Root:
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p235.htm#valerian1

A reliable place to buy it and other supplements:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/1/2006 1:44:27 AM   
Mavis


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

And for me, the kink is the being used and objectified.  Knowing I was completely out, completely vulnerable, completely open, and that someone took advantage of that.  HOT!!!  Knowing that I'd never know for sure what happened?  HOT!!!

Lots of subs experience black outs during scenes due to subspace and other experiences.  Lots of subs enjoy being made open and unable to resist.  This is just a slight variation on that and a more direct physical enabling.  It raises the edge a bit higher.  But it plays on exactly the same themes you see in every kink club.


While my ISP was finding itself, i had plenty of time to ponder this point, and it's a valid one.  It'd still be a huge issue for me, but i can see how it might not be for others. 

One of the things i like about this place, i get to sift n sort and sometimes expand my awareness.  Thanks! 

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 8/1/2006 7:30:51 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Thank you, Yang4yin! I really, really appreciate that! 

- Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 8/1/2006 9:21:21 AM   
Theslavetrainer


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Status: offline 		I don't think I could get into drugging the submissive. I like my "vics" lucid so that I can see the fear in their eyes and revel in their muffled screams.

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 8/1/2006 12:10:13 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Trainer, I agree! I mean wouldn't you want her to feel everything?
I don't use drugs or alchohol and I'd prefer being around others who don't either.

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 8/1/2006 12:28:14 PM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		It'd certainly be a great way for someone unscrupulous to break hard limits, and get away with it.  Then again,if you found pictures of yourself,  passed out and in a dirty diaper, on the net-you'd know something was up!

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 8/1/2006 1:05:02 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Wow, you guys are ruining my fantasy. I guess I did ask for opinions LOL.
I also said I'd never ever do this with someone whom I did mot trust completely with my very life. I think it's a hot fantasy. Of course, the other person would need to want it too, or it wouldn't be any fun for me at all.

I am aware of the risks. But, I have to agree with LA there. How is this risk much different from being bound and having someone on the other end with a dangerous whip, for instance? That's pretty risky, too. 

- Susan 

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/1/2006 1:07:27 PM   
MisPandora


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BenignPlague

This kind of play, while it may be consensual and pre-negotiated as much as can be, enters the realm of high-risk activity.  If you were serious about something like this, I'd suggest having your own big huge guy hiding in a closet in case the scene goes awry.

I'm sure you have the fantasy of it being one on one, rape type, etc, but you can never be too careful.  Just don't confuse fantasy with recklessness, and you'll be fine.


Not to mention an ambulance and an ER physician tucked in same closet.....

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/1/2006 1:28:05 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Well. I may just have to get 3 or 4 sets of headphones and CD's to drown out the sound effects from my scenario (for "privacy") for the people whom I might want to hide in my closet during all of this, when and if it ever happens. That closet is getting pretty darn crowded, LOL!

- Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/1/2006 1:31:23 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Susan, OK, twist my arm!
(Now where'd I put that bondage hood?)

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/8/2006 4:06:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Nasty Daddy: It had to be the movie "Men In Black". What a riot!!

- Susan

Actually it was "Mars Attacks"...had Jack Nicholson in it...was corny as hell but I laughed my ass off a lot too.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/8/2006 6:53:58 AM   
agirl


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Status: offline 		Hello Susan,

I understand that a lot of the things you think about are still in the realms of *what if?*

The thing about *thinking* about these type of activities is that they remain in a slightly sterile place. They are with a *shadowy figure* in mind and a *shadowy relationship* also.

Roleplay isn't just a *dressing up and acting out* type of thing. It can be an EXTREMELY intense and edgy thing. This is dependant on your relationship and the person you're with.

There really IS the possibility of being totally secure in your trust of someone ..........but also never quite knowing what could happen.

You can truly experience many, many things with a creative and clever person. Don't underestimate the power of mind-fucks and roleplay...they can have a huge effect.

The fantasy of rape.... or force of any kind really CAN be terribly real in a safe way.......it doesn't FEEL safe.

You don't have to BE raped/drugged to be able to FEEL the full fantasy elements of it.

Regards, agirl





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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 8/8/2006 8:39:24 AM   
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I only have one comment on this subject is

BIG RED FLAGS!!!!!

Edited to add; sorry i posted to this one before i realized it was in ask a Master, i caught it off the top scroll of recent messages and it made me say WTF.


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