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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 12:09:11 AM

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L.A., Susan speaks from the heart and that's what's so appealing about her.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 12:17:21 AM

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Well, I am a little surprised you'd say this. And a little hurt. I don't really want to discuss in detail how vast I think your assumptions are in making this statement LA - but - you know this about me...How, exactly? Suffice it to say I've had one bdsm relationship, LA. One. And it was over a year ago. It was long lasting one, by bdsm-world "standards", too (over a year), if there is any such thing as a standard for a bdsm relationship. Anyone else, currently, for me, is a friend. I was married for 15 years to the same person, and managed to live without sex for 9 of them. I had plenty of chances to rectify the lack of sex in that situation with an outside liason much, much sooner than I did. I am not waiting to rape anyone who e-mails me. Nor am I desperately seeking a relationship. In fact, if anything, I've gone out of my way to let people knowI am not currently seeking a relationship. Stating that is in fact a part of my profile, as well as how I am living in my current situation. It's taking an effort at times, but I am succeeding at staying away from a relationship until I know (or can at least be reasonably sure) I can handle one. Occasionally, I have innocently flirted w/people (although, not with the person I e-mailed in reference to this thread), because I am human, not made of stone. I have not started a relationship w/anyone though. I respect what you have to say 99% of the time, and maybe we just have different ideas about what an "intimate" discussion actually entails, but I think you are off base in what you may be assuming about what this person and I actually did talk about. But I don't want to even discuss it, really. - Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 12:21:08 AM

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Slim Whitman was made infamous by a SciFi movie of invading Martians... can't recollect the title, but I think Jack Nicholson played the US President. The only thing humans found that they could fight the Martians with was playing the song I referenced by Slim... after 10 seconds it made the Martians heads explode!

Mars Attacks!

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 12:25:06 AM

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Oh, it was Mars Attacks, and not Men In Black? Good going, FirmHand, on knowing yor movie trivia! Good movie, too.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 1:04:26 AM

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It was when Mars attacks.

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Slim Whitman was made infamous by a SciFi movie of invading Martians... can't recollect the title, but I think Jack Nicholson played the US President. The only thing humans found that they could fight the Martians with was playing the song I referenced by Slim... after 10 seconds it made the Martians heads explode!

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 1:13:46 AM

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just get shitfaced drunk, that'll make you feel groggy

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 2:25:35 AM

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Fast reply... i haven't read the thread fully yet, but i wanted to say ... once any kind of drug is given, "consent" is null. Even if it's just booze, and you'd agreed to sex yesterday.. it's still wrong to proceed when you're in no state to Maintain consent.

Any top who does this is legally on shaky ground, and i would say is a jerk, but others will defend that Tops right to count on consent secured before the fact. pffft.

ok, now i'll go read the test of the thingies.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 2:51:01 AM

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susan, and, well, anyone, there are reasons to do a rape play, and i like the idea myself, but i don't have a partner who can get over John-Walton feelings enough to do it.

But the idea of chemically inducing anything to enhance the scene.. i just don't think it's a good idea. IF you want to do it, you should BE in the moment, and feel everything about it, love it, hate it, remember it... alla that stuff. Otherwise, really, what purpose does it serve for you to be half-out? You've just said Yes, i'll do a scene, and only engage in it 50%. So much for your fantasy. Really it's His scene, His rape, and you're a prop.

Which is a great idea if you're scening with a partner you normally serve ONLy to please HiM, but even then, the bottom usually is at least aware she is pleasing the Dominant, and is at least getting THAt enjoyment out of it.

i think this would fall into that category of cool idea, bad plan. Because even in your fantasy, you are actually having this huge blank spot? Nope. your fantasy doesn't really include passing out and waking to think maybe you've been raped. The drug would add a blank spot that you don't even have in your fantasy! lol.

Now, if you role-played being out, being drugged, whatever, you'd get to pretend you're half out, limp-acting, almost like necro-play, but you'd still get to experience whatever you're acting out. i know it's not "real" but it's the only way to experience it and actually, truly BE there to experience it.

This might take some mind-loops to wrap around. please ponder. <grins> Another thought, it might trigger some bad feelings for you considering it's very close to that hard, hard limit of yours, no alcohol. If you ingest something that brings back feelings of being under the power of alcohol in any way, what will that do to you down the road?

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 6:38:00 AM

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Folks, please keep the discussion of illegal drugs out of this, and all, forum threads.

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/31/2006 6:59:30 AM

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Didn't go through the entire thread ~ To the OP, I would strongly advise that you do not do the "unmentionables" (according to Mod 11) You can never tell how you might react, it might even be an unmentionable which you've done a hundred times in the past and yet you might have a terrible reaction to it at one point.

Are you able to consume alcohol? Say you have a few too many drinks, that would definitely impaire you without the risks other substances may have - just a suggestion.

BTW, also want to comment on the fact that I have enjoyed reading your posts, you have a very sweet and honest way of expressing yourself which I admire.

Take care of yourself sweetheart!

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/31/2006 7:02:21 AM

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Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Mistress. I appreciate it.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 10:11:53 AM

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If you ingest something that brings back feelings of being under the power of alcohol in any way, what will that do to you down the road?

While that is a very valid point, for someone like me who has no negative associations with substances, it's not an issue for me.

And for me, the kink is the being used and objectified. Knowing I was completely out, completely vulnerable, completely open, and that someone took advantage of that. HOT!!! Knowing that I'd never know for sure what happened? HOT!!!

Lots of subs experience black outs during scenes due to subspace and other experiences. Lots of subs enjoy being made open and unable to resist. This is just a slight variation on that and a more direct physical enabling. It raises the edge a bit higher. But it plays on exactly the same themes you see in every kink club.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 11:12:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

Slim Whitman was made infamous by a SciFi movie of invading Martians... can't recollect the title, but I think Jack Nicholson played the US President. The only thing humans found that they could fight the Martians with was playing the song I referenced by Slim... after 10 seconds it made the Martians heads explode!

*ROLLS!* Geez, you're killin' me here! The movie's title is Mars Attacks I believe. Bizarre movie, man!

zuma

edited to say: Oopsie! Here I was all proud of myself for remembering the title back on page 2, and a few other people beat me to it on page 4. Sorry about the unnecessary spam!

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 12:47:28 PM

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Forgive me if someone already suggested this... What about an anti-histamine product such as Benadryl? Anti-histamines generally make people drowsy.

That said, I agree with several other comments...
Try the drug beforehand to assess the effects.
Do this only with someone who is beyond reproach!

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 4:27:51 PM

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It would, of course, be the same with hypnosis.

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 5:39:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Nasty Daddy: It had to be the movie "Men In Black". What a riot!!

- Susan

Actually, it was "Mars Attacks". Great movie... my b/f's company made all of the little green martian guys. :)

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 6:25:58 PM

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afeathr: Mars Attacks! Sounds like a great movie! What a fun job your b/f sounds like he has!

- Susan

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 9:53:44 PM

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That's a very immature and irresponcible suggestion to give somebody on medication.

Hell getting shit faced aint a bright idea when you're not on meds either.

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just get shitfaced drunk, that'll make you feel groggy

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RE: Drugging a submissive during bdsm activity - 7/31/2006 9:58:54 PM

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Here come the men in black............
Galaxy defenders...........

Here come the men in black......
they won't let you remember........

We do things that you need not see, and;
we be places that you need not be.........

Yeah, I think Mars Attacks was the bomb..........

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RE: Drugging a submissive duirng bdsm activity? - 7/31/2006 10:30:13 PM

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Okay - done reading the threads. I have decided I am still "into" the idea, but - if someone can't tell me what they would be using on me (he said "herbal concoction of mine" - it didn't sound like your typical "date rape" drug), then it is definitely out for me. So is chloroform.

I can't take anything that would mix badly with the prescription drug
I take now, so this will probably all remain in the fantasy realm for me, unless someone out there has some benign suggestion (like SleepyTime herbal tea)..even certain cold medicines are out. Hypnosis might work - I am supposedly highly hypnotizeable (I've been hypnotized before, successfully). It always struck me as slightly creepy, but in this case, the end might justify the means.

*Although, a question about using hypnosis does come to mind. If people (supposedly) cannot be hypnotized and then be told to do things against their will, then that would sort of blow the whole idea for me - because the entire idea attraction of this scene for me is that it's "against my will". Then again, maybe my subconscious will think my brain is saying "No, No" but really means "Yes! Yes"?
(joke).

Any comments?

- Susan

I can give some info on the herbal drug could be Valerian Root,this has an odor I would think they would smell...perhaps not.
Something I use as a sleep aid is a combo of Melatonin 3mg,Valerian root 25mg and Magnesium 50mg it was something the Pharmcist recomended.It works within an hour of taking 2 capsules

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