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The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:00:47 PM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		Well, it was only a matter of time, two drunken old men with nothing better to do than indulge themselves in self-pity and mutual masturbation - the US and Britain.

For this post some may not care, some may care but not wish to post for fear of instant death from the respective fascist regimes and others may have already fallen asleep at this point.

However, there is a point to this and it is to ask what are the similarities and differences between the US and Britain?

Personally, I think it's time for a human cull. When the cows go mad and the birds go sick we kill them so why aren't we killing the humans who have gone well beyond this and are basically eating each other?

Posts will be appreciated on who deserves to die first - is it the the Americans or is it the British? and do we have things in common more than just the love of money? are the Americans religious lunatics or should we look to the likes of Seattle and New York as the norm.........and do the British have anything more to offer the world than a demented old Queen and Jack the Ripper? The questions are many, the answers are few.

So, let's have it......are we like the Americans and are they like us? Would we ever apreciate a country that prides itself on waffles and could the Americans ever understand cricket. Any comments will be appreciated.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:05:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, as I stated in another thread, the US should feel inferior to Europe. The Europe which has given the world, Facism, Nazism, Communism, Anti-Semitism, and being experts at appeasing any evil that exists in the world.
The good thing about Britain is that they were more like us than Europe. The bad thing is that that may be changing. 

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:09:05 PM   
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How about we just get the people who think that their country is just fine post a list in support of that?

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:10:42 PM   
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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:12:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
How about we just get the people who think that their country is just fine post a list in support of that?


I don't see anyone stopping you from doing just that.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:15:03 PM   
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Ok my friend. You give me your opinion on what you perceive the merits of communism and facism to be and then we'll have a chat about political ideology. Don't take things too personally - the British are a people of self-depreciation and don't take offence that this is extended to the US.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:24:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
...there is a point to this and it is to ask what are the similarities and differences between the US and Britain?


Well, for starters, we speak two different languages.


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......are we like the Americans and are they like us? Would we ever apreciate a country that prides itself on waffles and could the Americans ever understand cricket?


Who knows, but we certainly taught them everything there is to learn about imperialism....

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 12:28:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		NorthernGent you GIT - I'm about to catch a plane and will not be able to follow this thread until I get back.

I thought the US and UK were similar but every day find that they are very different.
I disagree with your idea of exterminating either one as on the whole they contribute more than they destroy.

Biggest difference the pasion to win as opposed to the passion to not loose...to badly
To see the big razzle dazzle as opposed to look for the catch.
To be soooooo bloody serious about important things compared with "well thats just bloody typical".......

Have fun with the thread.

Estring - the brits aren't very much like the Contineental Europeans either.



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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 1:33:03 PM   
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We are similar in certain ways but it's not what it appears. Enjoy your flight to Canada.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 1:41:45 PM   
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The accents, the cost of living, the food

Things I prefer about the UK
The humour, the national health, the women.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 1:52:17 PM   
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You touched on one big difference: humour means far more to us than winning. It is more important to the British to do things smiling whereas it seems to be the case that winning means everything to the Americans - maybe the Americans will correct me here.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 2:10:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

English,

You touched on one big difference: humour means far more to us than winning. It is more important to the British to do things smiling whereas it seems to be the case that winning means everything to the Americans - maybe the Americans will correct me here.

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There are times I think (Americans) would rather "win" than be right.

It's unfortunate that  Americans in the limelite are who define Americans to the rest of the world :/

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 2:38:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Britain and the US; two countries separated by a common language" (adapted quote - not a clue who said it)

What is this about? Is there really nothing more important to discuss than which of two countries' people is the better? Of course we are different, but that doesnt mean better/worse. We are also similar in some ways, but that doesnt mean we are collectively better than any other peoples. There are easy going people, obstinate people, clever people, stupid people, saintly people, criminal people, honest people, corrupt people etc in both countries, in equal proportions in the UK and the US (and every other country for that matter).

Again our cultures and ideals are different, neither is better or worse. But our cultures and ideals are also similar in many ways, but that doesnt necessarily mean that we collectively have the best culture or the right ideals. There is wisdom, stupidity, morality, immorality, strength, weakness etc on both sides in equal proportion when it comes to cultural expression and ideals - and in the fulfilment of those ideals. But so is there in every country for that matter.

The important thing is that we share values so similar in nature as peoples that we can provide support one to another. OK the US may have the economic power, but the UK has the experience of centuries that money cant buy. That this balance has gone awry in the last few years is regrettable.

I would sooner be grateful that we have the US as an ally and the American people as friends; they may sometimes be annoying, illogical, bizarre, immature, incomprehensible and loud to us Brits, but they're still the best cousins we could have.

And I would hope that the US is grateful and the American people thankful to have us as friends and allies too; we may sometimes be (insert stereotypical British traits) to you Americans, but we're still the best cousins you could have.
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PS - that said, I just dont get American Football sorry - but then I dont get cricket either, however much my brother explains it!

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 3:32:18 PM   
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Your quote:

The important thing is that we share values so similar in nature as peoples that we can provide support one to another. OK the US may have the economic power, but the UK has the experience of centuries that money cant buy. That this balance has gone awry in the last few years is regrettable.

I would sooner be grateful that we have the US as an ally and the American people as friends; they may sometimes be annoying, illogical, bizarre, immature, incomprehensible and loud to us Brits, but they're still the best cousins we could have.
 
If I were a heckler and you were a comedian you would be swimming in rotten tomatoes. The US has the economic greed and the UK has the experience of economic greed that money can buy.

Honestly, in terms of Government, the US and the UK are not allies. The UK merely provides the foothold in Europe that the US Government needs and the US provides the investment that the UK needs. Do not forget that the UK is still paying WW2 debts to the US - I've seen more special relationships in a Turkish bath.

Regardless.


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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 3:35:54 PM   
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To add, gridiron is a pack of overweight men in stockings stroking each other's knackers in a scrum. Cricket is a fine game for the more refined gentlemen of this world.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 3:42:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Lady,

To add, gridiron is a pack of overweight men in stockings stroking each other's knackers in a scrum. Cricket is a fine game for the more refined gentlemen of this world.

Regards.


.......and *real men* play rugby.....no stockings, no excess padding and MUCH better legs......grins.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 3:44:28 PM   
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I take your point. There are two schools of thought on this:

1) The US takes a lot of the blame for the ills of the world simply by being the most visible country on the planet.
2) The US is genuinely a destructive force in the world.

Personally, I feel that the answer lies between the two but closer to number 2. Also, the British Government isn't much better.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 3:53:26 PM   
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Hmmmm, these rugby players invariably lose at least one ear along the way. Not to be recommended.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 3:59:34 PM   
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RE: The US and Britain - 8/4/2006 4:07:14 PM   
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On your point that the passion to win and the will not to lose:

Most sayings in British everyday life actually play down winning: "It's the taking part that counts , not the winning", "God loves a trier", "Your best is good enough". We're just not that bothered about winning and we thrive on the underdog tag.

We actually actively seek out disappointment. For example, if a train breaks down in Britiain we love it whereas the Americans and Aussies would never put up with it.

5 things that we love about Britain:

Little Chefs
Nectar Points
Kate Bush
Coventry
Hard boiled eggs.

Does anyone have any idea how Britain managed to build an empire?.

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