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One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 11:33:54 AM

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Hi All,
I saw on TV this morning a man who was dating a girl here in the Washington DC area accidentally killed her during sex. He was consensually strangeling her & she died. He panicked & hid the body as he felt no one would believe it was consensual. He's pleading guilty for her death today in court. That's such a sad thing on so many levels it leaves me blue.
.In breathplay people say they understand the risks involved. I say are you sure you know all the risks? I for instance read in a Dom Sir Tru's in yahoo 360 blogs
"Quick pathophysiology lesson # 2: When breathing is restricted, the body cannot eliminate carbon dioxide as it should, and the amount of carbon dioxide in the blood increases. Carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O) exist in equilibrium with what's called carbonic acid (H2CO3) in a reaction catalyzed by an enzyme called carbonic anhydrase. (Sorry, but I can't do subscripts in this program.)

Thus: CO2 + H2O H2CO3

A molecule of carbonic acid dissociates on its own into a molecule of what's called bicarbonate (HCO3-) and an (acidic) hydrogen ion. (H+)

Thus: H2CO3 <> HCO3- and H+

Thus the overall pattern is:

H2O + CO2 <> H2CO3 <> HCO3- + H+

Therefore, if breathing is restricted, CO2 builds up and the reaction shifts to the right in an attempt to balance things out, ultimately making the blood more acidic and thus decreasing its pH. This is called respiratory acidosis. (If the patient hyperventilates, they "blow off CO2" and the reaction shifts to the left, thus increasing the pH. This is called respiratory alkalosis, and has its own dangers.) "

I never even considered the above. I wonder how many people doing major breath play also don't know.

With breath play so risky I wonder how many of us are doing this without considering the ramifications of the what if's happen.
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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 11:38:32 AM

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Knowing the potential danger I refuse to be a part of it. It is just too dangerous for me.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 11:48:15 AM

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I hope "Sir Tru" at least gave credit to Jay Wiseman, the author of that article, somewhere on his Yahoo page. Interested people can read the complete article here.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 11:49:42 AM

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i am familiar with the physiological occurences that take place in the blood during air passage restrictions. i have only trusted one person in giving me some very wonderful experiences. i did faint one time, but i wanted to be taken there to see my limits. i will add this person is a physiologist and knows the human body very well, and has taken the time to know mine also. i would never casually recommend breath play to most folks, for the dangers are very real if taken to the extreme. The key being to find out what would be the extreme, for each individual has a different threshhold from the next. There are also other factors to consider, such as nasal pressure and brain blood vessel constrictions, and reactions occuring in the lungs, if the person is a smoker, or heavy drinker, on certain meds, and on the rare instance (it has happened) that a minute food particle be present in the passage and lodge itself tight, all of these variables can cause an adverse reaction. In addition, the anxiety levels and nuero chemical interactions of the individual cannot be accurately predicted.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breath play - 8/9/2006 11:57:32 AM

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Funny, but I'd probably still participate if I was in a serious relationship with a Dom and he wanted to do it occasionally. I think due to my big desire to be a good sub I'd try to justify my participation by excusing the risk away to myself. You know the well that won't happen to me theory we use when unsure, but proceeding in it anyway thing. The thing that makes me wonder how bent I am is I know it only takes once & death is final.
I'm trying to get straight in my head why I'd even consider it.
Thank God no Dom I scened with was into the around the neck type of strangulation and I Haven't had to be faced with this risk so far. I honestly am not sure if I'd make that a hard limit or permit it in rationed doses.
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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breath play - 8/9/2006 12:01:00 PM

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I do minor breath restriction during play...its all we have needed...those few paniced seconds after you feel like you can no longer hold your breath anymore.

That is very sad though. Im always sorry to hear about accidents/incidents/deaths surrounding lifestyle practises.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 12:01:44 PM

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This is something (breath play) I find more frightening than most edge play.

I work in an ICU where we deal mainly with Neuro (brain) issues. Of all the organs in the body, the brain can be the most terribly unforgiving. Brain injuries (hypoxia -> closed brain injury) are just so ugly, even in a place where, well, everything we deal with is pretty ugly, that I have absolutely no desire to explore this kink.

What's worse than dying from a major hypoxic brain injury? Not dying from that major hypoxic brain injury.

I do hope that those who feel compelled to explore breath play are doing it armed as much good information as possible.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 12:11:10 PM

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And that is why it is a big no no in our house.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 12:29:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather

What's worse than dying from a major hypoxic brain injury? Not dying from that major hypoxic brain injury.

Having worked with children with severe brain injury I'll second your statement. Sometimes death is not the worst thing that can happen to someone.

For me, a hand against my throat, not hard enough to block breathing but giving me a sense of how they could, if they chose to, gives me a wonderful sense of vulnerability. And that's as edgy as I'm willing to get.

I don't even do gags, because I have such a fear of choking that even holding a crop in my mouth can bring on panic.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 12:36:55 PM

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Never did it, never want to do it!

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 1:07:02 PM

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I admit to liking breath play. I love the feel of his hand around my throat tightening and restricting my breathing. I love when he kisses me and sucks the air out of me. Having said that I do acknowledge the dangers and agree that we probably shouldn't do it. I have never been close to blacking out nor have we done breath play for any length of time. But, you all are right that the what ifs aren't really worth a few minutes of excitement.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 1:18:34 PM

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Thanks stef. I read this many moons ago. While I like the feel of a hand at my throat that is as far down the breath play path that I am willing to go....and even in that it is more for effect than any type of actual restriction of air or blood flow.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 1:21:40 PM

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the main problem with breath play isn't the ph situation of the blood, to my eyes. it's the brain damage. every time you are under respiratory stress, even if you don't faint, you lose neurons. you lose neurons all the time, true, but if there's not enough oxigen you lose more. i need all of mine, i'm not sure they'll last into my old age. don't know about you tho.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:02:26 PM

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A few people have written me and ask where I saw this.
Just FYI the news was on Fox 5's network in Washington DC's morning show today 8/9/06 saying the court date was today.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:13:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

the main problem with breath play isn't the ph situation of the blood, to my eyes. it's the brain damage. every time you are under respiratory stress, even if you don't faint, you lose neurons. you lose neurons all the time, true, but if there's not enough oxigen you lose more. i need all of mine, i'm not sure they'll last into my old age. don't know about you tho.

The pH of your blood is directly related to the amounts of carbon dioxide and oxygen in the blood. A severe acidotic state is non-compatible with cell life, which = cell death which = brain damage. Unless you are talking about a traumatic injury, that's how brain damage occurs.

So, yes, the problem is cell death, but that is directly related to what the OP was talking about.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:17:03 PM

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I have never done it and I don't ever want too. It's just too dangerous, no matter how careful you may try to be.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:21:55 PM

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Heather, so then that "4-6 minute" rule doesn't even apply in Breath Play?
In other words ANY restriction of oxygen is bad, right?

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:26:56 PM

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Im saying that the post by the guy with the z name was talking about the same thing as the OP.

Im sorry, I dont understand the question. Are you talking about someone being "down" for four to six minutes?

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:27:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather
The pH of your blood is directly related to the amounts of carbon dioxide and oxygen in the blood. A severe acidotic state is non-compatible with cell life, which = cell death which = brain damage. Unless you are talking about a traumatic injury, that's how brain damage occurs.

So, yes, the problem is cell death, but that is directly related to what the OP was talking about.

cell death is a result of hemoacidosis. however, that's just as likely to kill bucal lining, hepatic, renal, virtually any type of cell. the neuron, ofcourse, included. however, neurons are a class apart, they die for the strangest reasons. ethilic alcohol = death. metilic alcohol = oxidates to formaldehyde = death. lack of glucose = death. lack of oxygen = death. lack of speciffic proteins = death.

you die of hemoacidosis in 6-10 minutes, brain first. you start losing neurons at about 150% normal speed in 30 seconds of holding your breath. just like you die of severe burns, but you lose skin even in lighter burns.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/9/2006 2:27:48 PM

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Just goes to show that before you attempt something, you really should know all you can learn about the subject first.
I'm a fan of breathplay. I'm also fairly sure if I kill somebody during breathplay that I've got a pretty good shot at keeping them alive till paramedics get here, if I can't drag her back myself. And I've been looking at those home defib units, just as a little more margin.

Only once have I been really worried when I had a girl pass out. From heat stroke, in a 70 degree room. Got her breathing again, took about two hours to level her out, but I did give some thought to how I would explain the situation to the nice firemen.
It sure cured me from thinking that I wanted to bring a girl to the point of passing out however. lol

SSC? Well, as long as I've got informed consent. . . . . Others can fuss about sanity.

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