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Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:06:44 PM   
Jasmyn


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Status: offline 		Whores ...Glorious Whores ... all this talk of whores, got me reminisicing some of my uni studies ...

From an assignment on women and gender in society

A sexual double standard is a moral view that aggressive sexual behaviours are acceptable in one gender (men) but not the other (female) and manifests itself in men been rewarded for their virility while women are vilified.  Men were seen to be ‘sowing their wild oats’ while traditionally, as stated by Bullough & Bundage (1994) in Sexual Practices & The Medieval Church, “Modesty was the true glory of women” and thus by implication an “immodest woman, one who was sexually desirous and ardent, was a whore at heart. (pg 37)”

Thus the category of prostitute (or whore; meretrices), included more than just women who took money for sex.  Or as succinctly put in Phillips & Reay, (2002)

“Those who had sex for money were a recognised group: but because of the way of whoredom or prostitution was defined, any woman who was sexually deviant, or any women who was not under the control of man, could be placed in that group as well.  The classification of sexually independent women as meretrices could thus be used as a warning, a tool to control all women”  (pg 94).

[Thus whoredom] as prostitution was intimately tied up with femininity and chastity in women become a tool of oppression.

“In this way [the] whore [became] the extreme case of what all women could be, and any woman risked classification as a whore if she stepped out of line.” (Phillips & Reay, 2002, pg 94)


Reference
Bullough, V., & Bundage, J. (Eds.).(1994). Sexual Practices & The Medieval Church Prometheus Books
Phillips, K & Reay, B. (Eds.).(2002). Sexualities in History Routledge

& something else to consider
 
The etamology of the word 'virgin' ...was not 'virgin' as it is perceived today...but a 'woman not under a male's control' ...

Also ... Meretrices were the pro doms of the Roman era .. they were by and large highly educated, sexually unihibited, and were oft times treated better and regarded more highly, than the wives of the men they allowed to visit with them.

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:25:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Whores ...Glorious Whores ... all this talk of whores, got me reminisicing some of my uni studies ...



Glorious whores, indeed. And I think this is a wonderful topic in light of the previously mentioned train wreck.

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:28:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like being called a whore personally, and mostly because of those definitions above 

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:30:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		As any real whore out there could probably inform you, there is a gap between that very nice theory and observable practice. But, for it's intended audience (women with the time and money to go to the university) it makes great conversation.

particularly the virgin etimology attempt is very typical of a certain non scientific approach much favored by the enlightened feminists du jour, over the past four decades or so. just claiming doesn't institute realities, in spite of what irigaray and the ilk didn't understand from lacan's theory on the impact of language. the fact of the matter remains, virgo pretty much meant unfucked, literally, and pure, chaste, figuratively, for all of it's history.



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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:40:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very simply put... whores are honest business women.

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:46:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		terribly simply put. for instance, do you know english has a word to distinguish between a woman that just has sex for money, as opposed to a woman that has sex for money and tries to rob the solicitor ?

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:53:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

terribly simply put. for instance, do you know english has a word to distinguish between a woman that just has sex for money, as opposed to a woman that has sex for money and tries to rob the solicitor ?


Hmm... okay, I'll step into this one all ears. What's the word?

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:54:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where did THAT come from?  It's not true.  "Virgo" means exactly what we mean by "virgin," as in "virgo intacta."

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

The etamology of the word 'virgin' ...was not 'virgin' as it is perceived today...but a 'woman not under a male's control' ...

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 10:54:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is something I had to ponder in learning myself and wiitwd...   Some men would like to treat us like cheap whores, and when we say you can't touch this unless you serve at our pleasure, than it's "bad whores filthying the game", LMAO.   M

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:01:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		So if being a whore is so empowering,why are so many still under the control of male pimps?

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:05:43 PM   
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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:09:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead
So if being a whore is so empowering,why are so many still under the control of male pimps?
I didn't say I was a whore, but I reserve the right to control my body and to establish the rules of engagement when it is to involve me...  If that makes some guy think me a whore, than I happily embrace the label.  As for women being sold cheaply by their men, if that's what floats their boat, who am I to judge?     M

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wwe don't see whore or Pimp as a negative or derogatory term in this household. Although usually as with any thing or term it all depends on how tis perceived by the Oone receiving and depends on the tone of the context it is said/placed. Just an observation of life and how Eeach perceives it. Me personally I like to do My best @ being the Diabla Advocate if Yyah will

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:14:03 PM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		I'm simply pointing out that trying to glorify the term whore is probably not going to feed a feminist agenda terribly well.

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:19:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		buttock and file = a common whore and a pick-pocket.
buttock and twang or buttock and sham file = a common whore, but no pickpocket.

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:29:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead
I'm simply pointing out that trying to glorify the term whore is probably not going to feed a feminist agenda terribly well.
The feminist agenda is about each person being the master of her own destiny.   What is ridiculous is the way most cheap men with the hidden agenda of getting something for nothing (like play/pussy without the inconveniences of courtship/commitment), want to complain that women who won't play with them for free are degenerates who ought to be banished from the midst of us more classy creatures.  Puhleez, give us a break!

Someone said this in the other thread, and it is profound.
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KnightofMists
consider the exchange of services and the the barter system.  We all whore ourselves out to one degree or another.....

Or... just maybe we are giving something to gain something of equal or greater value to ourselves.  Be it monetary, service or something else.
Grow up men, and realize that we all pay for sex.   M

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:30:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Point well taken .... goes back to Eeach Ttheir Oown and desires are as unique as individuals as My r/t Sir LH Sir adores certain aspects of "Pimp" altho He firmly believes that Wwhores / Wwomen should be treated and held with the utmost respect unless or until otherwise granted by actions & or words would show Uus otherwise again Diabla Advocate here ~weg~ Respectfully deviant~~~Qi{LH}

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:32:49 PM   
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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:36:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very true in one form or another barter has been done and Mmen do pay for the (for lack of a better term) "Sservices" of a Wwoman / Wwhore. Which brings Me to another one of My favorite sayings ~weg~ Pimpin ain't eazy LMAO

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RE: Whores..what say you? - 8/10/2006 11:36:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: qimahkooie4LH

 Point well taken .... goes back to Eeach Ttheir Oown and desires are as unique as individuals as My r/t Sir LH Sir adores certain aspects of "Pimp" altho He firmly believes that Wwhores / Wwomen should be treated and held with the utmost respect unless or until otherwise granted by actions & or words would show Uus otherwise again Diabla Advocate here ~weg~ Respectfully deviant~~~Qi{LH}


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