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ORIGINAL: Homestead

Oh and Jasmyn?

You mentioned pro Doms who acted like the regular ones? Not wanting to do what the bottom scripted? We have a word for those.(and I have dated switches, who used to do pro work)

We called them 'broke".

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ORIGINAL: Homestead
Nit to mention that taking money for sex is illegal, and can get them busted, and clubs shut down. There are reasons to be prudish about some things.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
BDSMers are realllllly squickish when it comes to literal sex- just like vanillas.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

People into bdsm are just as prudish about sexuality as anyone else.  Which means when I've discussed whoring among bdsm groups (as I often have), I tend to get the same reactions as I do in vanilla groups.  They don't understand it, they have tons of misconceptions about it, they feel awkward, and often have problems seeing an actual whore as someone worth respecting.

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Someone said this in the other thread, and it is profound.

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
Not just BDSM groups... I have some experience within Swinger communities and I am amazed that the prudish nature that exists in the groups I have seen.  They are there for the purpose of sex.. but yet the prudish attiutudes are not significantly different that Bdsm and/or Vanilla groups.  Those completely unihibited sexual adventurous individuals are rather rare.... or maybe they are best found in secure stable relationships regardless of their particular lifestyle interests.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I feel for males in the swinger community.  I literally had to turn off the VH1 show on swinging I was so disgusted at their portrayal of hot youngins who wanted to fuck around a lot and be seen having a lot of sex with other hot people as "swinging."

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Puella, I don't take what you have said in your post as a validation that I was incorrect in my opening one, infact it helps to prove it, thank you.
 
'Virgin' as 'young girl' or 'young women' is a 'puella' by a different name...  that being that very real time in a young girl's life where she was neither under her father's control, nor a husbands ... she had the freedom of her growing years, the desires and hormones to explore her sex, her burgeoning womenhood, how to use it, how to beguile, how to exact her feminine charms...the actual sex act ...was neither here nor there ....and 'virgin' did not become synonymous with the actually act of penetration until some time well after the first ever record of it's origins ...  ... so I stand by what I said in my opening post ... the 'virgin' was a woman/girl who was not under a man's control, and yes, even her father's ... virgo intacta or not ... engagement and marriage is what made her lose her 'virgin' status...not the breaking of her hymen ...
 
& LaM, you're dictionary definition confirms it ...
 
1.  A girl of marriageable age.
 
Pehaps, Puella, the puella came to be the girl who wasn't a 'virgin' but also was yet to 'marry' ?  A 'young maiden' ...which would befit her unwedded status.
 
Hope you all have got your thinking caps on ...
 
Food for thought... is good for the belly.

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claim that rationality, sometimes called "linear thinking," is a coercive tool of the oppressive patriarchy.  That may be because they have noticed that evidence and logic are running heavily against the no-difference position.   claim to perceive all of reality through the "sex/gender lens
  Thus, we now have what Patai and Koertge call "TOTAL REJ (total rejection) feminists" whose creed is that "Our culture, including all that we are taught in schools and universities, is so infused with patriarchal thinking that it must be torn up root and branch if genuine change is to occur.  Everything must go - even the allegedly universal disciplines of logic, mathematics, and science, and the intellectual values of objectivity, clarity, and precision on which the former depend."

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Wow, a Bork reference.  Is he still alive?

LOL Lam, yes, and so is some of the uber-feminist nonsense he spoke about. Even though I'm glad he didn't make it to the Supreme Court, he still gets some things right, I suppose .

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"To learn the art of submission a slave must first give up the desires that drew him to submission in the first place." Mistress Jasmyn Jan 2005.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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claim that rationality, sometimes called "linear thinking," is a coercive tool of the oppressive patriarchy.  That may be because they have noticed that evidence and logic are running heavily against the no-difference position.   claim to perceive all of reality through the "sex/gender lens
  Thus, we now have what Patai and Koertge call "TOTAL REJ (total rejection) feminists" whose creed is that "Our culture, including all that we are taught in schools and universities, is so infused with patriarchal thinking that it must be torn up root and branch if genuine change is to occur.  Everything must go - even the allegedly universal disciplines of logic, mathematics, and science, and the intellectual values of objectivity, clarity, and precision on which the former depend."

The parts I highlighted are not just about feminist thought Level, it is called Post Modernism.

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And while I am not a strict Post Modernist

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But it is valid to question EVERYTHING like socrates always thought we should.

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I think your gripe is that feminists latched on to Post Modernism, that nasty little branch of thought that threatened everyone so deeply in academia.. anything that threatens people at the core of their beings so deeply is something I want to think about some more.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Level."
claim that rationality, sometimes called "linear thinking," is a coercive tool of the oppressive patriarchy.  That may be because they have noticed that evidence and logic are running heavily against the no-difference position.   claim to perceive all of reality through the "sex/gender lens
Thus, we now have what Patai and Koertge call "TOTAL REJ (total rejection) feminists" whose creed is that "Our culture, including all that we are taught in schools and universities, is so infused with patriarchal thinking that it must be torn up root and branch if genuine change is to occur.  Everything must go - even the allegedly universal disciplines of logic, mathematics, and science, and the intellectual values of objectivity, clarity, and precision on which the former depend."

The parts I highlighted are not just about feminist thought Level, it is called Post Modernism. And while I am not a strict Post Modernist it does make me think deeply about the world when I consider what they have to say. It is hard for anyone to be "objective" about anything, including the value of the patriarchial society that produced everything they know. Does this mean that everything produced by our culture is flawed, well no. But it is valid to question EVERYTHING like socrates always thought we should.

I think your gripe is that feminists latched on to Post Modernism, that nasty little branch of thought that threatened everyone so deeply in academia.. anything that threatens people at the core of their beings so deeply is something I want to think about some more.

Just some thoughts

As for my "gripe".......... yes, I suppose it is what you named. I don't like how some feminists are willing to turn everything upside down, even the good, just to bolster themselves. I'm sure there are those that engage in the questioning in an honest desire to find truth, or to right wrongs, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so what happens when someone comes along and destroys the feminist conclusions? Where does it end? Does it end? Is this evolution in action, or just a bunch of pissants tearing down society and truth?

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Level, am just home for a good night out with a bunch of lovely friends ...haven't read your post in depth ... but just to touch on your first sentences ...I don't do women studies ... my uni studies are Humanities, Economics, Law and Business Management

Hi Jasmyn. My mistake about the women's studies then, but from my admittedly ignorant viewpoint, the gist of your post could fit into the realm of what some of the women's studies group works toward, or believe in.  Anyway, hope your evening went well .

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"Take women's studies themselves.  On the evidence proffered by Sommers, Patai and Koertge, and others, women's studies programs and courses are abysmal swamps of irrational dogma and hatred.  The feminist classroom is an arena for emotions rather than intellect or analysis.  Agreement with the ideology is mandatory." 

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

There was a certain female feminist anthropologist that used to make me pissy.. explaining to all of us how female subjugation was a cultural universal (I forget her name, I think I have intentionally blocked it out).. Oh Puhlease. I do not usually like feminist ideology much myself. BTW, my Daddy is an Uber Feminist, (I hope that statement doesn't upset him). He studied feminism much more than I ever have (that much he would admit to). It is part of what I find so appealing about him, that his dominance isn't based on his gender.

Like I will always say, I am a humanitarian humanist, not a feminist.. I do not like anyone bullied no matter who they are.. I am an equal opportunity sorta gal, and I think women have an equal opportunity to be as big as assholes as men are.. just my view.

julia, my definition of an "uber feminist" is one that sees women as superior, that blame men for the world's woes, etc. I'm hoping Sinergy does not fall into that category , and from what I've seen of him, I wouldn't think he does. Hell, if being a "normal" feminist means believing that women have an "equal opportunity" to be assholes, and angels, and have equal potential to be politicians, scientists, astronauts, etc, then I'm one myself. It's just when things crawl into that whole whiny, hateful hoopla that I turn my nose up to it.