RE: Forced Vegetarianism???

I think this is a key observation. I just felt like agreeing... back to the subject....

This isn't a vegan debate. This is a debate on vegetarianism. Huge difference.

Religion is totally different to food.

The facts are actually against you. Humans are originally fruit eaters. They are constructed (internally and teeth) to originally consume and digest fruit.

I thought humans were omnivores- meaning they could eat, digest and gain nutrients from both plants and animals?

I guess this is an important part when discussing health issues, but otherwise it's not very important. I mean people use that sort of argument against homosexuality- that our sex organs were MADE for male/female sex and thus any other sort of sex is unhealthy and wrong.

I think someone who changes their diet significantly should understand and compensate appropriately to make sure they are getting a full and balanced meal. Yes, people can survive on very little, but that doesn't make it the healthiest of diets. Beyond that, eat or don't eat what you feel like. I know many cultures/religions place limits on food and this can be a core part of a person, but it doesn't appear in this situation as that's really an issue.

And yes, being a vegetarian is a hugely different diet than a vegan.

Human decendants were discovered to be fruit eaters (hence appendix and teeth). Evolution to humans(as we are today) are omnivores. So it is a little of both - but fruit came first.

Geez... ever think ya would see this christian talking about evolution?[:D]

I never said that food and religious issues arent linked... I said that you cannot compare the two. They are there own issues. Your little chart proves nothing.

So the OP has a ethical reason... that isnt religious. And if you read the OP and take the topic as a whole, you will see that it isn't really about the ethics... it is about whether or not to insist her slave obey her. Do not try and sit there and tell me she isn't considering all outcomes - she obviously cares for her boy - and don't try and make it a force issue. Things change - as I said in another thread - people have sudden revelations all the time - you can't expect to just sign a contract and agree limits at the start of a relationship and just think thats that... nothing is ever gonna change. Because if thats how your relationship works or you expect it to work - I have news for you. It is going to become stagnant pretty damned fast.

Also note. We are discussing a dominant/slave relationship here. If you cannot understand that concept then don't bother answering because your point of view will not meld with this kind of agreement.

In your post. (number 29) You spoke about vegans, not vegetarianism in your post.

If that is your reasons why humans are omnivores, then thats a poor example.

Chimps also rape the females in their tribe.

Chimps also commit regular acts of canniblism.

Does that mean we humans must all be rapists by nature - and also able to commit canniblism without negative outcomes?

Humans were primarily fruit eaters. During later devolpment they ate meat when it was available to them - if they found it - there is no evidence that human ancestors killed and became hunter- gatherers until much later in evolutionary history.. I challenge you to give any animal something that isnt on their food chain and they will consume it if they are on a survival mode.

Canine teeth are not relevant to the discussion of meat vs plant. Human canines are smaller than they would be if meat was the main and primary source of nutrition. Humans have no claws. They sweat through pores. The stomach acid is not capable of disolving raw meat in a continous manner. We have saliva glads that are far advanced. We have flat rear molars. Human ancestors were primarily tree dwelling, not ground hunters and only began foragers when we evolved down from the trees.

I never said that humans were not omnivores ever, but primarily - in the beginning... they werent even herbivores, but frubivores.

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There are good arguments that meat eating became a requirement for the human race when his brain started to expand. Or that his brain started to expand because he was able to eat more meat than his ancestors.

And? That doesn't prove that humans were originally omnivores or even carnivores. It just shows they evolved into being such.

I am not a great raw meat person, but I did once have some very thin slices of steak (and when I say thin I mean more than wafer) thatwas essentially 'cooked' in lemon juice. Must say it was one of the most exquiste meats I have ever tasted.

But I didn't have to shoot it[;)]