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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 12:21:05 PM

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Like I said as well. . .just like clockwork.

The problem I find with threads like this are that even though the original poster uses the guise of wanting to get more information on a topic . . .the manner in which they post is already laden and loaded with their bias. It's like starting a thread like this:

"I have nothing against blacks/asians/gays/women/(fill in the blank) but why is it that every time I see them. . .they are always (fill in the blank)?"

So the seemingly innocuous question is already loaded with a bias and all they are doing is trolling for people that agree with them. It's transparent. . .but some people obviously can't see it for what it is.

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I sooooo agree with you, and as Jasmyn said, the preaching again!!!
Jules this is too nice a reply though; I'm surprised no one's connected him to the MANY previous threads on this matter.
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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 12:26:29 PM

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Turned off by cheapskates? Then what does that make you when you won't even pay for your half? sure you want to stay single since you can't stand cheapskates? I always hear about women bitching about equal rights. Welcome to being equal.

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 12:54:25 PM

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I always hear about women bitching about equal rights. Welcome to being equal.

If I couldn't afford a slave - I wouldn't have one. As some know in my definition, that means I pay. If I wanted an equal I wouldn't be at this site and have beth as my slave.

But that's just me.

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 1:23:28 PM

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I'm surprised no one's connected him to the MANY previous threads on this matter.

Ok here you go:

why do some men get off on serving women financially

question about tribute

slave/sub or piggy bank

money slaves.....

money slave--why would you be one?

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 1:25:19 PM

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It's a bird. . . .
It's a plane. . .
NO!!!!
It's *SUPERPROUDSUB* coming to save the day!!!!

***yay!***

Thanks once again proud!

J

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 1:42:14 PM

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Simply put "ANY" female asking for a "tribute" from a male is a prostitute.

Pupper-

you mean my dentist is a whore?!? I never suspected...

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 2:05:52 PM

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well a master paying is different. This is the Man paying verses what the women should and shouldn't do. If the female is the Master then does a male slave have to pay? That's all I'm responding to. The financial aggreements between a Master and the Slave is a different topic all together.

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 2:12:34 PM

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This is scrictly *my* opinion and I'm not saying this is some sort of guidline that others should follow. I have a sneaking suspicion that Lawrence (Topcat) is a very skilled top. I'm not going to give anyone the illusion that I want to submit. . .*however* I do admit that I find the thought of him topping me exciting. I would *pay* (yes and in exchange money/currency/chedda/benjamins) for a session with him. (This is a hypothetical. . .we haven't talked about doing a session or anything.)
The reason being, I require *very* specific things in order to get into my headspace. I'm not willing to give anything else at this time (ass/pussy/house cleaning/foot licking) so the only thing that would make it equitable would be for me to offer money in exchange. He has a skill that I seek. . .and I believe that there should be some sort of recompense.

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 4:54:41 PM

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Simply put "ANY" female asking for a "tribute" from a male is a prostitute.

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So sorry anyone asking for a "tribute" is lookin for a hooker..

You don't get out much, do you?

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 5:05:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessJules

This is scrictly *my* opinion and I'm not saying this is some sort of guidline that others should follow. I have a sneaking suspicion that Lawrence (Topcat) is a very skilled top. I'm not going to give anyone the illusion that I want to submit. . .*however* I do admit that I find the thought of him topping me exciting. I would *pay* (yes and in exchange money/currency/chedda/benjamins) for a session with him. (This is a hypothetical. . .we haven't talked about doing a session or anything.)
The reason being, I require *very* specific things in order to get into my headspace. I'm not willing to give anything else at this time (ass/pussy/house cleaning/foot licking) so the only thing that would make it equitable would be for me to offer money in exchange. He has a skill that I seek. . .and I believe that there should be some sort of recompense.

Lawrence is VERY skilled, attentive, pushy and compassionate and, in my experience, very much adept at understanding that some want submission to be part of the dynamic, some do not and there are millions of shades of grey in between. He can work with it, especially if you're clear with him. Don't be fooled, he's also in it for his own personal satisfaction and he will make sure he gets it (while working within agreed upon boundaries).

As a sado-masochistic dominant woman with no interesting in submitting to anyone I whole heartedly give Lawrence my recommendation as a top. He's definitely worth paying tribute to if that is the form of energy exchange that you are considering.

oh and...uh...take pictures!

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 5:29:59 PM

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I don't mind going on cheap dates with someone who can't afford an expensive one, if he is classy and generous of spirit; but I will never (again) date a man who waits for me to pay, or thinks "dutch".

Amen, sister.

I never expect someone to pay for me when I go for a first meeting, ever. Does that mean that people never show generousity with me or that I refuse to accept their generous offers? Of course not. It means that I don't EXPECT people to take care of me. I do just fine on my own (and anyone who knows me will tell you that I'm independent to the point of infuriating more than one or two men & women who would otherwise like to "take care of me").

Anyone that I am just 'hanging out with' will also tell you that if they pick up the tab a few times I will generally jump in and insist on picking it up another time. But if you profess to want to 'take care' of me (and I hear that a LOT) then have the means and show the inclination.

There's a hitch, however. If you tell me you wish to take care of me then I will expect you to wish to care for me such that it wouldn't matter if you were hit by a truck tomorrow, I'd still be taken care of. Show me that your desire to 'take care of me' doesn't include dictating the terms. Do THAT and I'll acknowledge your dream of taking care of me. Otherwise we're just talking about jack off material and since I don't offer erotica as a service then you're back to looking for a pro.

Oh look, I've come full circle. Jasmyn essentially called it the way I see it in this post (in this thread):http://www.collarme.com/forum/m.asp?m=55302&mpage=1&key= I see no reason to belabor the point.

I still think the original poster just hasn't gotten out much in regard to the scene. I've yet to meet someone who is involved in their local scene who feels this way about BDSM professionals. Perhaps when they first enter the scene, but it doesn't take a lot of exposure to it to realize the value pros bring to the scene in general. The real pros, anyway.

Ask sherri, where she came from in Canada there weren't a lot of pros. The first time she ever heard of me she thought "a PRO?!?" and I'm afraid I blew all of her misconceptions right out of the water. Fortunately sherri is a very bright woman and quite capable of taking in new data and processing it without too much ego taming to get around. I really wish there were more new comers to the scene that had a better inner mirror, at lot of this smegma would never make it to the surface.

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 5:44:31 PM

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No offense, but from your profile picture. . .you *might* want to pay a slave to come clean your house. . . .

Jules, that was too damn funny!

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 5:54:53 PM

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I do admit that I find the thought of him topping me exciting.

You're not alone there, have you seen all the photos on his profile?

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 6:08:23 PM

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Turned off by cheapskates? Then what does that make you when you won't even pay for your half? sure you want to stay single since you can't stand cheapskates? I always hear about women bitching about equal rights. Welcome to being equal. [/quote
1st of All, I want to be payed same for equal work, but I've never wanted to be equal to a man, as I very much enjoy and love the fact that I am a Lady; am self suffiecient, but if I were to take a position in a relationship, it would not be as equal, it would be as superior or Dominant... Somehow though, I don't get a feeling that your refusal to pay is a stand on your support of equal rights...
Like your reply Merc, you and Beth Rock.
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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 6:10:53 PM

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Jules, that was too damn funny!

Inside,
Actually, that picture is tame compared to some of the "madness" out there. I am fully aware that we all don't have the Olan Mills set up in our house. I'm also not saying that my photos are all that. I'll even share with you that I get PLENTY of emails per week telling me that I'm the ugliest thing to come along since Shabba Ranks. (I just usually respond with "thanks.")

With that said. . .I'll tell you some things that never made sense to me:

I know we have all seen the pictures of "Super Domina". . .decked out in a kick ass leather outfit, nails done PERFECTLY, hair and make up FLAWLESS, and dont for get the "fuck-me-and-then-I'll-kick-your-ass" thigh high boots. But what your eyes *really* go to in the photo is the pack of Huggies sitting in the back next to the babies wipes. . right next to the Tickle Me Elmo.

OR. . .the feet pics. . (I guess to lure in the foot boys) where the back of the heel looks like a dried ass biscuit that needs gravy. . .and the callouses on the toes make you think that she climbs coconut trees for a living.

And those "service-oriented" subs who have a picture of themselves in front of a mound. . .a MOUND of something covered in a dingy looking sheet. You can tell that there is JUNK under there because of the uneven shape. I don't think it fools anyone.

Am I the only one that notices these things?

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 6:12:01 PM

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You're not alone there, have you seen all the photos on his profile?

The ones on my desk to. . .I mean in his profile? Yup. . .I've seen them!!!

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 6:23:30 PM

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Simply put "ANY" female asking for a "tribute" from a male is a prostitute.

Hot daymn! i have at least a 75% male clientel. Prostitute?!!? And all this time i thought 'cosmetologist' was just a fancy alternative name for hairstylist. i gotta get me a new pimp, my current boss is not paying me enough. And the dress code ... ugh. i KNEW something was making me feel a bit out of sorts. It HAS to be the conservative professional look i've been sporting. No wonder my clients are such shitty tippers. i wonder if i'll get fired for referring to the rest of the gurls at the salon as hookers?

Imagines answering the phone all like, "Nope, sorry dude she can't do your fade today. She's to busy blowing .. err i mean giving a handjo.. err... she's got her mouth full.... err hands full. Daymn... sorry, she's blow drying, while Mr. Who Ever soaks for his manicure."

Seriously, if one party is willing to pay, and the other willing to offer services in return for the tribute ... who cares? Two concenting adults ... nobody else's business i say.

runs off and lays out her best lacey thigh highs, garter and pleated black mini for Monday morning

puH-leeeease .....

It's just so pathetic the way some tend to generalize. Some men pay ...... big deal ....some women pay too. So what.

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No offense, but from your profile picture. . .you *might* want to pay a slave to come clean your house. . . .

LOLOLOL!!! GoddessJules

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 9:11:43 PM

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Men pay to be slaves? Seems wierd to me but I guess if it gives pleasure to someone I can let them do as they please...they pay to be slaves? Sounds like someones getting screwed and somebody else has a con going. I do wish them whatever they need though...

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 10:06:10 PM

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have you seen all the photos on his profile?

damn collarme I still can only see one photo of topcat. I don't even look at profiles but for whatever reason I've been trying to view his pics for days now with no luck. When I hit the next photo button nothing ever happens.

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RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? - 1/1/2005 10:15:48 PM

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It's hit or miss as to whether the photo viewing applet here works. Some days it works perfectly and others you can click on << or >> all day long and never see another photo. Sometimes clearing your browser cache and restarting your browser helps and sometimes it doesn't.

Perhaps if you ask Lawrence nicely enough, he'll send you those photos

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