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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 6:05:19 PM   
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Trust, respect, and communication are vital for a healthy relationship to thrive no matter what label you stick in front of it.

My Joe didn't plan to fall in love with me but he did. I fell in love with him almost immediately. Our love has grown and deepened to a point that it makes us both breathless. We work hard on "Us" every day in many, many ways. We like contracts and my Joe wrote ours 6 months ago. This week we have added to our contract because as we have gotten to know each other more things have become clearer for us. Our most important goal is to keep us strong, happy, and fulfilled.

Now, to really answer the question on what rocks my world with my incredible Dom. Easy stuff really. Him waking me up and having my cup of tea ready. Curling up together at night and whispering and kissing until we either make love or fall asleep. Going to Starbucks and talking about our future plans while we sip lattes. Him coming to get me and take me by the hand and lead me somewhere in the house where I get to experience his loving, yet painful, dominance. Hugs in the kitchen while we cook dinner. I could go on and on. I love this man to the depths of my soul and there seems to be no end in sight.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 6:47:49 PM   
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Honesty is the most important thing to Us.  Communication runs a very close second.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 7:03:46 PM   
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I am truly moved in reading the thoughtful and tender professions made here.  As FHky and I are at the very beginning of our journey, I can only hope that the relationship we are building reflects the depth of love and devotion so beautifully written about by those who have commented.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 7:36:13 PM   
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I don't know if I can pick ONE thing that most does it.  Trust, communication, openness, and compassion are all pretty important in my book.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 7:39:45 PM   
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DOH!!!!
maybe if the parties involved actually love eachother????

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 7:40:56 PM   
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See, now here you're think I'm going to be silly.  But I'm not.

All the things you mention:  communication, trust, honesty, commitment (which you didn't mention), respect, knowing the other person, ease (including silence) ... these are things I bring to the table any time I walk into a room.  You can choose to believe that or not.

So let's make this interesting.

I'll supply all of the above if you can bring one thing.  That's all.  One thing.  Good luck.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 8:31:48 PM   
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Thank you for all of the replies, people.

LA: I am asking what on thing people think makes a loving bdsm relationship.

I should add to my answer: For me,k it's a person who "gets me" and knows me intimately well, so much so that they know moods, body language, etc - but also they respond to that in a way that nurtures the relationship - they want the best for both of us.

- Susan 

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 8:37:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I am just wondering what people think it might be. It would be wonderful, if people can and want to do it, if they can make their answer personal. I realize "honesty", "loyalty", etc. are all important, but what, specifically for you, would make, or be an indication that a relationship very meaningful?

Personally, I like it when people are so in tune with eachother, they hardly need words anymore to communicate. They understand eachother's moods, nuances in body language, etc. Before you roll your eyes, and decide I am a hopeless romantic (which I can be, but do realize its inherent limitations) - keep in mind that I realize that it is also very dangerous to ever assume you "just always know" what a partner is thinking. But it is kind of nice, I think, when they know eachother that well. At least for me, it makes me feel secure - like there is someone out there in the world who truly "gets me".

For people to get to this point, I think they have to be willing to get to really know eachother, and put themselves out there, so to speak. There are people out there who actually are not willing to get to know someone. And if this meets their needs, then fine. But I doubt, personally, that's going to lead to any life-altering, rock-their-world relationship. But, whatever people want is fine, of course.

Any thoughts? What makes a relationship so special for you, that is just rocks your world?

- Susan


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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 8:56:43 PM   
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Shall we assume you are refering to romantic love? Frankly, romantic love has been a bit of a barrier for our Master/slave relationship. It's not easy to blend romantic love with ownership and obedience.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 8:57:15 PM   
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to look up into His eyes as He is above you and be able to  breath a sigh of relief and know that the world is absolutely alright......that thing works for me

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:12:03 PM   
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Homestead: Nice reply.
cynthiaanne: I agree, that seems lovely.

I really appreciate anyone who took the time to reply.

Elegant: Thnaks for the reply. All due respect, but I guess that depends one what you consider romantic love. For me, blending romantic love and obedience wouldn't generally be something I'd consider a problem. I love being dominated, and am not opposed to falling in love, romantically, with someone who can do it well, and will take the time to find out just how "rough" or "gentle" they need to be to do it well, and not kill off my more tender feelings for them in the process. I believe this can be done, and it's not some fantastic feat that is difficult to accomplish. That's me, though. Other people I am sure see it differently, sometimes.

- Susan

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:21:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO
Elegant: Thnaks for the reply. All due respect, but I guess that depends one what you consider romantic love. For me, blending romantic love and obedience wouldn't generally be something I'd consider a problem. I love being dominated, and am not opposed to falling in love, romantically, with someone who can do it well, and will take the time to find out just how "rough" or "gentle" they need to be to do it well, and not kill off my more tender feelings for them in the process. I believe this can be done, and it's not some fantastic feat that is difficult to accomplish. That's me, though. Other people I am sure see it differently, sometimes.

- Susan


So are you asking what one thing people think makes a loving S/m relationship (sadism/masocism as opposed to owner/slave)? Im trying to clarify.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:23:20 PM   
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quote:

but what, specifically for you, would make, or be an indication that a relationship very meaningful?

Because of my past, total and complete trust is the one thing that I absolutly need for any relationship to flourish. Sounds simple, and sounds easy, but it's actually alot harder to attain than many think.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:40:36 PM   
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Elegant: Well, whatever bdsm relationship you're in. If you're in a D/s as opposed to an M/s, then answer based on that (and vice-versa). What one thing makes it a loving relationship, in your opinion? Maybe it would be a loving relationshp, even if the bdsm wasn;t there? Maybe...I guess I am asking more for opinions on what makes a loving relationship, so if you need to not include the bdsm activity part, do that (because it's the relationship part I am most interested in what makes it work well, not activity or sex, whether it's vanilla or bdsm).I understand why you ask this questionm (I really do).

I asked people to personalize their answer, and you guys did try to do that (which I do appreciate, please don't misunderstand me). I asjed for a personalized answer because so often when these questions are asked, the replies are a mill of one word answers: (honesty, communication, loyalty, etc.), that, while undoubtedly true, don't really describe how this works in the person's own bdsm relatiosnhip (or the one they hope to have, if they are not in one currently).

- Susan

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:44:02 PM   
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Tikkiee: Thanks for the reply. That is indisputable, to me (I may have to re-think my own answer, having read yours, as a matter of fact).

- Susan  

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:45:59 PM   
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Not all relationships are based on love. Master and I have a wonderful relationship, but love does not enter into it at all; and this is the way we both want it. I respect him, I trust him, I admire him; but I do not love him. Ours is a contract based relationship, nothing more.
 
Taking that into account, the one thing that is needed between us; is trust in each other to not overstep the boundaries that were put forth in the contract.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 9:48:29 PM   
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Thanks for the reply, Taylore.
What you say is true, it all depends on what works for people, and what they are seeking.

- Susan

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 10:07:43 PM   
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Elegant, I would certainly HOPE that you could have a Master/slave relationship which is also a loving relationship.
I think that if you find someone and you both enjoy each other's company during the M/s activities and that person were living with you say, that over the course of some time that the two of you would very naturally grow closer and want to be with one another.
I don't find that incompatable at all.
I wouldn't want to be in a M/s relationship where I didn't care for the person! lol
I think that as a relationship matures you can't help getting closer to the other person. An M/s relationship is after all, a very intimate relationship just by it's very nature.
When a sub agrees to become involved with a Master, just that in itself is a stepping-stone committment.
In vanilla a "date" is not a "committment" it's just a date.
Many people, in this site even have fallen in love!
MercnBeth in here just announced their engagement to be married last week.
I could go on and on but I just don't think that having a B&D relationship and falling in love are incompatable at all.

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 10:20:31 PM   
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You all have put forth such a myriad of wonderful answers that i could easily pick and choose from.  But i think for me, it would have to be complete understanding and acceptance of the person.  Who they are, why they are, what they want to be.. even so far as knowing what they can and can't control.  i hope to one day find someone who i can share all this with.  Someone i can be completely me with, in all of my varied shades and colours, and know they'll still be there the next day.. and the day after that...

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RE: What one thing most makes for a loving bdsm relatio... - 8/27/2006 10:27:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I am just wondering what people think it might be. It would be wonderful, if people can and want to do it, if they can make their answer personal. I realize "honesty", "loyalty", etc. are all important, but what, specifically for you, would make, or be an indication that a relationship very meaningful?

Personally, I like it when people are so in tune with eachother, they hardly need words anymore to communicate. They understand eachother's moods, nuances in body language, etc. Before you roll your eyes, and decide I am a hopeless romantic (which I can be, but do realize its inherent limitations) - keep in mind that I realize that it is also very dangerous to ever assume you "just always know" what a partner is thinking. But it is kind of nice, I think, when they know eachother that well. At least for me, it makes me feel secure - like there is someone out there in the world who truly "gets me".

For people to get to this point, I think they have to be willing to get to really know eachother, and put themselves out there, so to speak. There are people out there who actually are not willing to get to know someone. And if this meets their needs, then fine. But I doubt, personally, that's going to lead to any life-altering, rock-their-world relationship. But, whatever people want is fine, of course.

Any thoughts? What makes a relationship so special for you, that is just rocks your world?

- Susan


What one thing most makes for a good reliable toaster?

Some people might say steel, because you need a material that can contain the bread and stand up to the intense heat required to toast it. But maybe there are somespace-age materials that would actually work even more reliably than steel. Some kind of high tech ceramic deal or other.

Others will post to say that it is the electricity, because without that you wouldn't have the heat. But then if it is reliability you want, how reliable is your electric toaster in a power failure? Are batteries, surprisingly enough, the most important element of a good reliable toaster?

But even batteries will run out eventually, and maybe before the power failure is over. And then where are you? Sitting there with untoasted bread, that's where.

So how about a toaster that burns natural gas or wood or coal? Or Vodka. You have to figure that even after the apocolypse when all the electric utilities and natural gas pipelines are gone, and all the coal mined and all the trees burned, someone will still be making vodka out of something or other (maybe with a still made partially of old toaster parts,) so a vodka-burner may be the key to the ultimately reliable toaster.

But really, how often does the average joe run into an apocolypse? Maybe our answer is better found without considering the less likely possibilities. Maybe we should concentrate on more likely scenarios.

How about safety? Is safety a thing and if it is a thing is it a thing you really need to have to have the ultimately reliable toaster? I mean if your attempt to carmelize your pop-tarts burns your house down, where's your reliable toaster gonna end up then, smart guy?

Is it the thermostatic thingamajig that lets you select your degree of done-ness? I mean what good is a toaster that reliably makes a breakfast side dish that is chronically too light or too dark? Who cares if that shit is reliable?

Is it the heat itself that is the one thing you need for a good reliable toaster, then, whether it comes from electricity or coal or the incalaesced flatulence of monkeys trained to squat over your waiting slices with Bic lighters at the ready? No. I guess maybe cool soft bread might be preferable to the use of some kinds of heat. And anyway, the sun has lots of heat, more than anything else in my neighborhood I think. But those slabs of whole wheat I left on teh windowsill yesterday aren't looking so appetizing even after an all-day sun treatment. So it can't be the heat.

And so it isn't metal either and it isn't thermostatic control and it isn't electricity (or monkey farts) and it isn't heat and it isn't safety.

I ask you again, what one thing most makes for a reliable toaster?

An easily cleanable crumb tray? Good springs on the picker-upper? An ergonomically designed handle? Plastic? Chrome?

I have to admit after more than two minutes of soul searching that I don't know what the one thing is that makes for a good reliable toaster. In fact, upon reflection I think it is a stupid-ass question. What is needed for a good reliable toaster is a bunch of things like design and safety and heat and control and adequate materials and maybe a whole bunch of other stuff and not just those things but their effective coordination, not to mention bread.

I think that if we sat all the toaster engineers in the world at a big table to decide what is the one thing that you need for a good reliable toaster you'd get a wide range of unsupportable opinions, a lot of frustrated engineers, and toaster production would soon come to a halt worldwide.



I've been around the block a few times and the impression I take away from my travels is that an intimate human relationship is at least marginally more complicated than a toaster.



If what someone really cares about is a good reliable toaster, sometimes the best thing you can say to her is: "Ask a different question."

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