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juliaoceania -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 3:45:42 PM)
You are taking the OP's words for gospel when he admitted his source was right wing talk radio person that called into a show. I doubt HIGHLY that anyone was forced to salute the flag in any language. In schools we are forced to learn things all the time, saying that forcing a student to utter words in Spanish and act like it is an obsenity worthy of a thread is a little much. Like I said, I was forced to learn a song in German.. I didn't cry about it. If the kids did the anthem in American Sign Language I doubt anyone would have objected... this is about hatred and fear plain and simple.. no one can force anyone to say anything.. as I said earlier.. my son and many other kids do not do either the pledge or the anthem.. no one can force them if their parents exempt them... First Amendment rights. Do you have a problem forcing kids to learn algebra or science? What is the difference between knowledge of another language as opposed to history? and about your dismissive attitude about my family history, there are Native Americans alive today that were kidnapped from their families and forced to cut their hair and learn English and to never use their native language.. this is NOT ancient history, I had a professor and a friend that had this happen to him, and I took down an ethnography of another person this happened to...

BlueHnS -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 5:56:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania You are taking the OP's words for gospel when he admitted his source was right wing talk radio person that called into a show. I doubt HIGHLY that anyone was forced to salute the flag in any language. In schools we are forced to learn things all the time, saying that forcing a student to utter words in Spanish and act like it is an obsenity worthy of a thread is a little much. I would respond the same if the language were french or dutch or martian or dolphin. It's not that it's spanish. It's that it's forced. And I never said it was gospel, if you took me as such, it was not meant that way. quote: Do you have a problem forcing kids to learn algebra or science? What is the difference between knowledge of another language as opposed to history? Any math class is universal. I would have a problem with a student who is focusing on a health oriented career being placed in a science class that focused on rocks and planets and such. When schools first introduced the black history courses as part of the required cirriculum I went ballistic. Ancient chinese history was an elective class in some schools at the time so why should black history be required? What makes history so different from a foreign language? Part of the cirriculum of any foreign language class is to at least in part partake of that culture. You are taught some rituals and customs. In history it's more about learning facts and dates.

juliaoceania -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 6:33:43 PM)
In social sciences in California we learned an excessive amount about our state's history, which included the Spanish Mission Period. We live in a state that has mostly Spanish place names, I do not know who this caller to the radio show is, but in California it comes in handy to know Spanish to at least know what the place names mean. It is more valuable than French or German for a fact. Children do not have to learn Spanish here, but I think it is much more valuable to a Californian than any other second language. I think kids should be forced to learn a lot of things they have no interest in or no plans of using, they need exposure to know about the world they live in. I am the type of person that places great value on education and knowing things, if they want to get a PhD (like i do) they will have to know a second language, why handicap them while they are young? I had no idea I would want to be a doctor one day, most kids do not know what they need to learn... this is why they have parents, and if the parent doesn't think it is necessary, they can always pull them out and homeschool them.

MistressLorelei -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 6:44:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave MistressLorelei said..... Our national anthem was placed to the tune of an old English drinking song... it doesn't make a good case that English is the primary language of the US (what is 'o'er'?, and Stanza three (especially) became a joke ********** once the British became our allies in WWII.*************** Cough cough splutter splutter choke choke....bloodie 'ell Ms L WW2 started in 1939. September 3rd rather a nice day as I remember. We Brits know because we played a big part in heating things up a bit. We declared war on Germany. Did you know that ? If I were a Colonel Blimp I would have had a heart attack by now ! I'm just waiting for the Spaniards to try to regain Gibralter. My God you'll never see another bull fight as long as you live. We had to act a bit cagey with the Chinese over Hong Kong though,......too damn many of them! Ummm... what are you choking on? The Star Spangled Banner became our national anthem in 1931.... and like I said, WWII followed that, and the third stanza was more or less abandoned as the Brits were our allies... and stanza three kind of isn't a nice way to think of our allies. No one pays much attention to the portions of our national anthem that aren't sung at sporting events across the country nowadays anyway.... makes it easier to forget what our national anthem represented in its entirety... and about the hatred we had for our now loyal allies. The third stanza.... And where is that band who so vauntingly swore That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion A home and a country should leave us no more? Their blood has washed out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave. Should our kids be singing that part too? I still say it would be nice for a more harmonious, peaceful song to represent the United States..... although, from what I have seen lately, perhaps something even more brutal would be appropriate.

BlueHnS -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 7:07:20 PM)
I think exposure is important as well. I also believe that a chld is far more receptive to education if they have a choice in the matter. I'm not refering to elementary students and basic courses. There has to be a solid foundation from which to grow, but by the end of middle school most kids have a general idea of where they want to go and what they want to do. Granted they may change their mind 50 times before they graduate. I still havent decided what I want to be when I grow up for that matter. I work closely with the school counselors to be sure their courses are a blend of things that intrest them, and the things that they need to know to function in the world. I wont let them take more than 1 soft course per semester, and if they want to take something funky like how to juggle while tap dancing in a rowboat full of alligators while belly dancing they better be able to explain to me why they need to take this class, and be fully prepared for me to drop in and laugh on occasion if I consent.

Lordandmaster -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 7:56:10 PM)
Wow, I didn't know that. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei The Star Spangled Banner became our national anthem in 1931.

Termyn8or -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (8/31/2006 10:59:33 PM)
Doesn't anyone see that we are at a disadvantage when immigrants are multilingual and we are not ? I'm not saying it is right, but that is how it is. And this is not part of the plan, the non-conspiracy, it is a natural fact. T

seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 12:05:34 AM)
Mistress Lorelei asked me what I am choking on then ..... Si usted no puede verlo, pues no tengo algo mas decir. Comprende amiga lol In my post..... Read again the bit between the stars and then the date WW2 started. As for National Anthems, is there anything more of a dirge than God save the Queen ? Dont hear it much at the Olympics tho. Soccer fans sing.... God save our Team Incidently MsL we have a connection, I wish to explain in Spanish but I dont know all the words so.... You joined Collar en mi cumpleanos.

Chloelicious -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 2:16:10 AM)
Yesterday i was listening to the radio news and what i 've heard made me shoke on my cup of tea. As i said in a previous post (if anybody read it) here in Belgium we are divided in 3 languages. The 2 most important being French/ Dutch. Some part of Brussels are "linguistic facilities community" that means that if you do not speak the language of the region, you can receive your paperworks in your own language. Anyway in one of this dutch community, they decided that French speaking children would nt ber allowed to express themselves in french in the school even in Breaks ! Parents MUST speak to the teachers in Dutch (no more French). If the children are "caught" speaking the language they are used to , they are liable to: get inviced from school, receiving a blame or will be in detention on Wednesday afternoon. Do you see how ridiculous the situation is? Would you be OK if this kind of things happened in the US between spanish speaking and English speaking persons? Chloé

seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 2:42:45 AM)
Chloe...I think Belgium is just another example of the total failure that multi culturalism is turning out to be. A major catastrophe that has overtaken Western Europe in the last 50 years. The idea that the US is a melting pot is also totally untrue, as anyone who looks honestly knows. De Facto segregation and mutual antipathy between different racial religious and ethnic groups is the norm there. This antagonism is at the root of this thread. lol

swtnsparkling -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 5:51:59 AM)
quick reply: Speaking one or more languages is fantastic and I am in awe of those who can, wish I did in fact- Everyone has a right to learn anything they want. But it does tick me off that English is fast becoming the second language here and not the first. This is the Untied States we speak English- if you move here/live here- Learn it. I am not saying no other language should ever be spoken but we should not have to press 1 for English when we make a friggin phone call.

juliaoceania -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 6:21:03 AM)
Market forces cause companies to give the option to press 1 I think it is more aggregious that these same companies take our jobs to India... but that is just me and I could be wrong

seeksfemslave -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 6:56:04 AM)
aggregious = egregious ? or did you mean outrageous ? Sorry I am at a loose end . lol

julietsierra -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 9:05:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet No but I'm sure it will be comming soon. I learned about it this morning when a parent called the Walton and Johnson Radio show on 93.3 The Bone. Her child has decided to boycott the Pledge of Alligance in Spanish. The mother was on her way to have a meeting with the principal when making the call. I'll keep an eye on DFW School District policies as well as the local news to see if anything pops up out of this issue. Oh brother! God forbid! A Spanish speaking person should DARE to pledge allegiance to the United States - and in his or her own language too!!! And even MORE Horrid! The fact that someone from the United States should actually be taught words to another language while they pledge allegiance to their country! My god! What's this world coming to?! Have people so quickly forgotten how good it feels to be the "ugly American," so full of arrogance and ethnocentrism as to believe that the English language (although I'd bet some people from the UK would beg to differ on our interpretation of "English Language") is the ONLY one out there! Please! Keep us all in ignorance lest we actually discover that there's a whole world out there full of people "JUST LIKE US" who just happen to speak a different language. Cripe.. juliet

MistressLorelei -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 2:40:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave Mistress Lorelei asked me what I am choking on then ..... Si usted no puede verlo, pues no tengo algo mas decir. Comprende amiga lol In my post..... Read again the bit between the stars and then the date WW2 started. As for National Anthems, is there anything more of a dirge than God save the Queen ? Dont hear it much at the Olympics tho. Soccer fans sing.... God save our Team Incidently MsL we have a connection, I wish to explain in Spanish but I dont know all the words so.... You joined Collar en mi cumpleanos. lol Nope, I still wonder what you were choking on.... The Star Spangled Banner was deemed the national anthem in 1931,and 8 years later WWII came along.... and the US was a bit embarrassed about the third stanza, which then went to the wayside. Don't worry, I don't need to know what you were choking on.... I will just have to use my very wicked imagination. Works for me <smiles> I don't now why we need a national jingle anyway.... but I am sure almost anyone could come up with a better one. It's a song and perhaps the Spanish version will sound better anyway. People get too worked up over things that don't really matter (like what language the national jingle will be sung in).... then when it comes to things that matter like wars, lives, and the future of our environment, people don't say much at all. Perhaps if we announced that gay solders in Iraq were marrying each other and women were having abortions in the military overseas.... we would get a decent war protest going and bring our troops back home.

raiken -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 3:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50 My son had to have spanish 1 and spanish 2 before he can gradutate.......iEso es estupido!!!!! That is a state law. In California you do not have to have a second language unless you want to go straight to university... college prep has a two year language requirement. He could probably take French instead of Spanish for a second language, or German if it is a really progressive school... In Europe their kids speak two or three languages.. I wish we were like that, their kids are just better educated than ours...sighs The dofference with Europe is it is composed of different COUNTRIES. In the US.. we are composed of English speaking sates. I'm sure if each state had their own language;.. we'd learn their language, just out of respect. If I am going to Europe, I'd at least have a working knowledge of the language of the place I intend to visit. We work with different mediums of languages everyday, through all of our senses, and all associated with different soundstrings, which use different sets of muscles, communicating with different instruction sets from the brain. When speaking other languages, it is often difficult for some folks to use untrained muscles, combined with parallel thinking, speaking, and reading in that language, along with their own. Some folks just get very stubborn, and don not even want to try to show respect by at least learning to "comminicate", making an effort to ":understand." In more ways then we can truly know.

sharainks -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 7:02:32 PM)
I also think students should have a large number of subjects to learn from. In college you could choose German, French, Spanish, and Japenese where I went. You could take biology, astronomy, chemistry, and several other sciences. What I've never seen is a requirement for German Comp 1 and 2, or Spanish comp 1and 2. Engligh comp is offered and people who don't make sure their unmentionables learn Engligh before going to school are crippling their futures. When I did family preservation services it amazed me to see hispanic unmentionables whose bilingual families had not bothered to start teaching them Engligh before sending them off to school. far easier on them to speak Spanish at home and let the school teach the other, but a lot harder on the student.

CrappyDom -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 7:08:28 PM)
I bet every foreign company doing business in Latin America and anywhere else just loves it when the idiots whine and bitch about kids learning foreign languages in this country. I mean the right wing idiots are destroying science education so who knows, they might go for the trifecta and figure out some reason to attack math too. Americans are sometimes the dumbest fucking people on the planet.

juliaoceania -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 7:32:01 PM)
I learned basic ASL, it was one of two Bs I received in college, it was one of the hardest things I have ever learned to do because it was a completely different form of communication... those who judge adults that have a hard time learning a second language were either raised bilingual, or they do not know a second language and have no plans to go anywhere where they maybe required to learn one..Walk a mile in another person's shoes before you judge them... go learn another language before you insult someone for not learning yours

rien -> RE: How ready are you for Spanish? (9/1/2006 7:52:19 PM)
I pick up languages pretty easily, really. I'm trying to teach myself the mechanics of Russian now, I speak French, a little bit of a few other languages, that sort of thing. I plan to raise my future child to be bilingual so that she/he can enjoy language more easily than others as well because I think it broadens the mind and helps later on with language. I really wish more Americans would at least try to learn another language. It would do a lot of good.

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