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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/4/2006 11:05:45 PM   
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No it is being lazy and stupid. Stupid piecework for stupid people. 


So by your logic, if everyone had Bachelor's and Master's degrees no one would need to do those piece work jobs. The vast majority of jobs don't require a degree. Regardless of how many degrees you hand out, those jobs will need filled. How many cancer specialists can a society subsidize. Very few. How many lawyers, before the demand drops and fees they can charge. Every town needs garbage men, factory workers, store clerks or things grind to a stop. You can not function without them, the world could function, without lawyers, and cancer specialists. They may provide services but they aren't core requirements and you need very few of them in relation to the normal jobs.

Why do you have such hate for people that made tested, shipped, delivered,  and sold you everything you rely on to survive. Honestly, never had a need for a lawyer or a cancer specialist, I've used accountants that is about it. Maybe someday, but I use the garbage man, products made by the factory workers, etc.. every day of my life.

I don't agree with a mandatory wage increases, but I in no way look down upon them or would refer to anyone working as stupid. Hell, I reserve that for people that don't work.  

What is funny is I pay my helpers piece work. And it is pretty motivational. They can make 10- 12 an hour doing it. That is well above minimum wage and more than I thought they would be making, and not bad for a 18 year olds first adult job out of school. Being piece work I could care less when they come in to work and go. And being piece work based on there skill level not a flat dollar per hour they are motivated to increase there ability to work faster. Paying dollars / hour as a flat wage, discourages creative thought in figuring out more efficient methods. Piece work encourages workers to figure out, how to produce more pieces.

Now is it good for them to do that for the rest of there life probably not. I'd say they should open there own business and learn to provide a needed service,plan b would be try out sales jobs you can make good money if you enjoy and it's the ultimate job security(I hated it thought).  Plan C would be to go to college. Those would be in the order of lifelong monetary potential. Universities just supply a formal stamp of approval. By no means does that mean people can't educate themselves outside of a formal learning institution. 

Not sure if you are aware...
Amazon.com is full of those things called books, and in these things called books they sometimes store factual information. Now this is the difficult part for some to grasp. Ok, this is mind blowing, a person able to read can then take these books and in a process called self-education can absorb that information, and apply that knowledge in there life. I know it goes against the grain, that people can actually learn without a professor to spoon feed it to you. But it does work, try it!! 
Nothing wrong with colleges or Universities, but if the only motivation for higher education is money, you are looking in the wrong place. If the motivation is to learn something you are interested in then by all means learn what you enjoy.

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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/5/2006 6:45:19 PM   
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What is funny is I pay my helpers piece work. And it is pretty motivational. They can make 10- 12 an hour doing it. That is well above minimum wage and more than I thought they would be making, and not bad for a 18 year olds first adult job out of school. Being piece work I could care less when they come in to work and go. And being piece work based on there skill level not a flat dollar per hour they are motivated to increase there ability to work faster. Paying dollars / hour as a flat wage, discourages creative thought in figuring out more efficient methods. Piece work encourages workers to figure out, how to produce more pieces.

 
This really works,
and Is really Motivational.
 
If I had a company I would do things like this.
 
Ant, & LilBecque

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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/5/2006 8:29:59 PM   
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meatcleaver, you being an "atypical" middle class person does't change the statistial validity of the study.

I specified the standard the study used because I had no  doubt you would discount he standard used in ome ways, however to attempt to disquaify owning a home as a measure of wealth is ludicrous, it is a financial asset and as such belongs firmy in any comparison of wealth.

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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/5/2006 8:38:06 PM   
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The trouble is as you increase the wages in an attempt to get people out of "poverty" you only succeed in raising the poverty level in dollars year back to an equilibium, unless you change the societal value of the jobs that pay minimum wage in the first place.

BTW the new numbers for who pays what in taxes and ow many folks are now in what classof income came out today. Trend seems to be that the avrage wage (and that is counted only as those working for an hourly wage so no utra high income included to scew the numbers) has increased.



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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/5/2006 10:51:59 PM   
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Archer,

How do they define poor and how do they define household?  I cant see how so many own three bedroom homes and qualify.  If that is the case who lives in apartments? Something doesn't jive.

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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/6/2006 3:33:32 AM   
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Poverty does not necessarily come down to lack of dollars or material possessions but whether someone can fully participate in society or not. The fact that I pay fairly high taxes and live in a city where the public transport is fairly cheap and so good it is pointless me owning a car, also means that poorer people in this city also benefit from that public transport and do not have to consider struggling to buy a car to get around which is a benefit. This is just one scenario where a lack of a material possession doesn't mean a person's quality of life is worse for it.

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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/6/2006 3:33:59 PM   
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Alot of countries don't like us for what we offer.
Is this why we have wars?
Because we are the land of opportunities?
Because we ofer a better way of life?
Better wages?
 
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"Harry S. Truman couldn't have said it better!"

 
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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/6/2006 4:01:48 PM   
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Alot of countries don't like us for what we offer.
Is this why we have wars?
Because we are the land of opportunities?
Because we ofer a better way of life?
Better wages?
 


For most Americans I don't think they do have it any better than most Europeans.

Yes, I been to the states plenty of times.

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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/6/2006 11:10:12 PM   
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For most Americans I don't think they do have it any better than most Europeans.

Yes, I been to the states plenty of times.  Meatcleaver

 
I Believe that most Americans who think they have it bad,
don't have it as bad as they think?
Alot of Homeless don't have to be Homless either.
 
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RE: Minimum Rage! opps Wage, dangit Wage... - 9/6/2006 11:23:34 PM   
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I really don't think there is much to call between the material lives of the average European and the average American. The difference is, that in America the rich pay less tax than the European rich and for the poor there is a better provision in Europe because of such things as universal healthcare and the minimum wage (though both can vary from country to country).

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