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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

If something is trully causing her excruciating pain and shes not enjoying it, why keep hurting her? Theres a point when it isnt fun anymore and is a safeword is used it is time to stop. Slaves do have feelings and can lose trust if their feelings are abused.

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ORIGINAL: WhippingPostNY

In my home it would be my decision to continue or not.

That said - I would not be in this dilemma in the first place.  She would never need to beg me to stop.  I would have already stopped when I perceived that the pain was too much for her - especially since she is normally able to take so much.  Then questions.  Then cessation - or lube.

It is her best interest that I cherish most.  Especially when tormenting her.

WP

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Any Person of any Orientation has the ability to say No.... The question is... does one wish to accept the Consequences of saying No or Not saying No.... and secondly... what are the consequences? 

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Well, that's complicated, because "consent" has a legal definition, and according to that definition you can't consent to being enslaved.

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In my own relationships, it's simple.  A slave can say "no" or "stop" at any moment, and then the relationship is permanently ended.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yes, exactly--that's why all the "consent" rhetoric never amounts to much in practice.

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

There are slaves who would say they are so mentally/emotionally bound, they could not leave unless thrown out.  So when others say "leave whenever you want," this is not something they relate to.

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ORIGINAL: ImpGrrl

Why?  It's still consent.  There's a line *somewhere* that will make them change their minds about the relationship.  It might not be what would break mine, or anyone else's - but there *is* a line.

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Slavery in the D/s concept is a mental state.

It's not D/s it's M/s, and its not only a mental state. It can encompass the physical and spiritual as well.

There are slaves who would say they are so mentally/emotionally bound, they could not leave unless thrown out.  So when others say "leave whenever you want," this is not something they relate to.

This is not healthy for any individual to have all of one's faculties of reason so disrupted as to not be able to leave even when a dangerous situation presents itself.  But for the sake of the OP this is obviously not the case since she is here and asking these questions. 

There are slaves who would find it amusing and/or offensive that anyone else would assume what their limits are.  They would gladly give up their lives for their Masters, without a second thought.

No one assumed what anyones limits were only that everyone has them, even slaves who think they do not.  And any slave who would give up her life for their Master, unless under a circumstance that she was perhaps saving his life, needs professional help.  That is simple foolishness.

There are slaves who see lubricant for anal sex as a luxury, and are grateful when allowed it. 

There are slavess who thrive on that "just because he can" mentality, and who are grateful to belong to someone with that view.

Kudos to them.  You sound as if this makes them somehow better slaves?? The OP obviously had rape issues and the anal sex episode that went beyond the scope of what she was able to handle.

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ORIGINAL: Yourkajira

In certain cases.

for example, you have a slave and you are interested in anal sex. you are not interested in lube, or whatever, and when you do (she obediently complies)

With that said. No she doesnt have the right to say no if she is a slave as she says. Negotiations already took place and its not an option now. If she agreed and had second thoughts after it started, well she should have thought through it more in depth before negotiations took place and she agreed to things.

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

I would seriously consider talking to him about your feelings, and the fact that even as a slave, you are still a human being.  If he understood that you had prior issues, then he should really respect that.  However, if you have given him the idea that you believe the same way he does, that you are a slave and your opinions do not count, then part of this might in fact be your own doing. After al, a master that is given carte blanche from their slaves from day one should have no reasno to expect a limit to materailze out of thin air. Was this discussed as a possible issue before? Or did you give him the impression that no matter what he wanted you would never say no?

DV

i have always been  a nolimits slave. i was always of the opinion that i would never be made to do something that was harmful for me in a way that i would want to stop. i dont even have a safeword. i have never wanted to say no. but i did here.

would that say something? or would it seem just stupid, or disobedient

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

She didn't say she was Goran and she is not then you can't quote those rules as applying to her

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Hell, I'm waiting for IB to hitch a ride to the States, meet up with me, and deal with a limit.......But, that's way of subject at this moment.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yes, exactly--that's why all the "consent" rhetoric never amounts to much in practice.

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

There are slaves who would say they are so mentally/emotionally bound, they could not leave unless thrown out.  So when others say "leave whenever you want," this is not something they relate to.

Why?  It's still consent.  There's a line *somewhere* that will make them change their minds about the relationship.  It might not be what would break mine, or anyone else's - but there *is* a line.

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Slavery in the D/s concept is a mental state.

It's not D/s it's M/s, and its not only a mental state. It can encompass the physical and spiritual as well.
Indeed.  I referred to slavery.  I assumed that would mean M/s.  I said "slavery in the D/s concept" to differentiate for those who might respond with quips about legal slavery and the laws of our Country, etc.  For me, my mind was enslaved and all else followed.  That is why I said it is a mental state.

There are slaves who would say they are so mentally/emotionally bound, they could not leave unless thrown out.  So when others say "leave whenever you want," this is not something they relate to.

This is not healthy for any individual to have all of one's faculties of reason so disrupted as to not be able to leave even when a dangerous situation presents itself.  But for the sake of the OP this is obviously not the case since she is here and asking these questions. 
I appreciate your speaking on behalf of all individuals, but I believe both my  Master and I know what is healthy for me, better than someone on a message board, reading my posts.    I did not say anything about reason being disrupted.  Danger is interpreted in various ways, however.

There are slaves who would find it amusing and/or offensive that anyone else would assume what their limits are.  They would gladly give up their lives for their Masters, without a second thought.

No one assumed what anyones limits were only that everyone has them, even slaves who think they do not.  And any slave who would give up her life for their Master, unless under a circumstance that she was perhaps saving his life, needs professional help.  That is simple foolishness.
Again, it is nice of you to speak on behalf of all individuals.  First of all, there was a perceived assumption in a post on this thread that death is a limit for all, and that is what I was speaking to.  Second, it is not up to you to decide who needs professional help, based on one sentence, unless you are a miracle psychotherapist.  Are you?  Think me a fool; it matters not.

There are slaves who see lubricant for anal sex as a luxury, and are grateful when allowed it. 

There are slavess who thrive on that "just because he can" mentality, and who are grateful to belong to someone with that view.

Kudos to them.  You sound as if this makes them somehow better slaves?? The OP obviously had rape issues and the anal sex episode that went beyond the scope of what she was able to handle.
Thank you for the kudos, at least you said something nice about others in your post.  If you interpreted me as assuming that makes them better, you are incorrect.  I simply said there are those who enjoy that mentality.  It was a reply to an assumption that such a mentality was bad somehow.  If you took offense to it, that was your own doing.
 
My post was not speaking about the OP herself. In fact, I have not replied an opinion at all in regards to the OP.  I was speaking to other assumptions that were made in posts on this thread.

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