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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 10:47:59 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		I'd of course do it if they wanted that. I've never done it and can't really say what my reaction, or the result, would be.
A nap would be tempting though. Maybe I'd watch tv, or just stare at the wall. It might be boring. Going to have to think about this. I could amuse myself by singing all of the songs I know. Then he might tape my mouth shut (but I do have a good voice. He might enjoy that). 

- Susan

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 10:55:23 AM   
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I'd of course do it if they wanted that. I've never done it and can't really say what my reaction, or the result, would be.
A nap would be tempting though. Maybe I'd watch tv, or just stare at the wall. It might be boring. Going to have to think about this. I could amuse myself by singing all of the songs I know. Then he might tape my mouth shut (but I do have a good voice. He might enjoy that). 

- Susan


Maybe he'd have you spend the day in bed with him .

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 10:57:00 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		I was thinking that might be one possibility. I wouldn't mind that at all.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:01:14 AM   
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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:01:46 AM   
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What if they had to take a poop?


Forced scat play.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:03:45 AM   
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What if they had to take a poop?


Forced scat play.


It's humiliating to be forced to do your business while Top watches you, then cleans up after. Not having hands makes this difficult to wriggle out of.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:06:12 AM   
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I don't mind being the caretaker. And it's not as if a naked and helpless sub has no uses at all. Why else might I want to go through all of this work?


"Caretaker"..... what an interesting thought.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:11:17 AM   
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It teaches reliance.  And brings a sense of dependability on someone else.  It would instruct whomever was kept like this on the importance of their hands and what they lose without them.  It berings awareness, and dependancy.  Yeah, so I went for the serious answers...
 
And as for pooping - I wouldn't find that humiliating.  I find it rather loving actually.
 
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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:11:17 AM   
mstrjx


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Status: offline 		This is all so straightforward; you are all around it.

Moreso in M/s circumstances rather than D/s, the dominant party accepts as part of the relationship all responsibility for the submissive.  This allows the submissive to just 'be', freeing rather than confining.  Of course, 'be' could easily mean 'being what the dominant wants you to be.

Now, it's one thing to talk about not requiring responsibility over yourself.  It's another thing entirely to have that and everything else 'taken' from you.  So your purpose becomes what is expected of you.

Boredom?  Where do you feel that is a right (under these circumstances)?  TV, bathroom privileges?  Your purpose is to serve, not be entertained.

The 'owner' (because by this time you will start to feel as a possession) must, of course, accept those responsibilities.  And of course Homestead and probably others have thought this through to the Nth degree.

As a sub/slave, the nature of this thread is for you to look into yourself and determine whether you can offer this much if it came down to that.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:27:38 AM   
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One purpose of this was to throttle back control freak submissives. Objectification. That on occasion, simply to be was all the service required.


This struck a chord with me.  I'm new to the lifestyle and although I was presented with a collar in July I'm constantly struggling with the question of whether or not I've earned it.  Since I'm not a 'naturally born submissive' nothing comes easy for me.  Sir, who is born to Dominate, feels it's the job of the submissive to make life easier for their Dom/me.  When I'm really trying to be ubersubmissive, I'm constantly trying to anticipate what he might need, try to take care of every single little detail I can find, be it from making breakfast to picking up the ball of cat fur from the couch where He'll be sitting.  Just this morning he got up from the breakfast table to refill his coffee and I was halfway to tears because I didn't think to check his cup before he got low enough for a refill.  He would've gotten his own anyhow; he wanted me to sit still long enough to enjoy my own breakfast (which I had by that point lost my appetite for so it went in the garbage).
 
I imagine, considering my insecurities in my own ability to be a good enough submissive deserving of Sir's love and devotion and collar, since about the only thing I think I can do well is attending to his needs, to be forced to not would present an issue for me.  There are plenty of times when Sir will do something for himself even though I'm there and would gladly do it for him, were he to ask.  Little things, like closing a window or popping a DVD in the player, things like that which are difficult to predict.  He doesn't expect me to be his service slave.  But I've noticed the longer we're together the more satisfaction I get out of things like this, esp. if I get to something before he does.  I truly don't know what would happen were he to essentially prevent me from serving him, if I were forced to see him taking care of things himself.
 
This is truly a much more profound thought than it seems at first glance.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:27:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would that make a handjob out of the question?
That would be interesting!
I'd do that on a day when the sub would be naked with just bondage mitts on.
Then tease her almost to orgasm and leave her like that.
Pretty difficult to do anything with mitts on espacially those ridged leather ones that are heavily padded!

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:28:22 AM   
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Okay, as compliant as I try to be, as compliant as I ‘think’ I am… I think I prolly DO have control issues.
 
I have never had a Dominant who owned me.  I have several close friends in D/s and M/s relationships and this is what I believe I want. 
 
I believe I DO want to relinquish control…   however…   LOL
 
Okay, I’ll stop and just say that Homestead and Level continue to teach me what ‘this’ is all about and my esteem for them grows daily.  WOW
 
Not only am I the eldest child, but the only girl (with three 'little' brothers; our mother died when I was 19)  I AM responsible, if I'm nothing else.  I am also very private.  I shut the door when I pee!  OMG...this would be SUCH a lesson in trust, in learning to accept vulnerability, in LETTING GO!
 
bearlee

Edited to correct spelling; you'd think I'd finish BEFORE I copied and pasted from Word, huh?  Talk about a control-freak!  <sigh>

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:32:49 AM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		I'm glad to see that people begin to get it. I didn't want to spell it out to blatantly right off. I've done things like this as excercises, to reach the mental aspects of a slave. When I am teaching to meaning of objectified property, few things can have quite the impact of taking away the ability to manipulate. I have also added locking muffle head harnesses to this. Basically a padded leather mask that straps over the face, and forces the chin tightly closed. Ball gags ,or any gag in he mouth is messy, and really doesn't control the ability to speak. The muffler addresses this without straining the jaw.  If the jaw will not open, the tongue has no room to move, or air to be forced through.

I custom made these appliances, I don't screw around. The last part was to add ankle cuffs and a padded steel collar. Clips dangled from the rings on these, I could bind a girl in any location I chose. Over a bondage horse, to a ring bolt in the wall or floor..........

As far as entertaining her? No.

Forget about it, my toy is mine to do with as I please. I can use it, or I can put it away. MY choice.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:34:46 AM   
Homestead


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Would that make a handjob out of the question?
That would be interesting!
I'd do that on a day when the sub would be naked with just bondage mitts on.
Then tease her almost to orgasm and leave her like that.
Pretty difficult to do anything with mitts on espacially those ridged leather ones that are heavily padded!


No, that requires too much attention. Strap a butterfly to her cunt, and set it to a threshold just below where she can orgasm. Leave her like that for 6 or 7 hours. 

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:37:54 AM   
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This struck a chord with me.  I'm new to the lifestyle and although I was presented with a collar in July I'm constantly struggling with the question of whether or not I've earned it.  Since I'm not a 'naturally born submissive' nothing comes easy for me.  Sir, who is born to Dominate, feels it's the job of the submissive to make life easier for their Dom/me.  When I'm really trying to be ubersubmissive, I'm constantly trying to anticipate what he might need, try to take care of every single little detail I can find, be it from making breakfast to picking up the ball of cat fur from the couch where He'll be sitting.  Just this morning he got up from the breakfast table to refill his coffee and I was halfway to tears because I didn't think to check his cup before he got low enough for a refill.  He would've gotten his own anyhow; he wanted me to sit still long enough to enjoy my own breakfast (which I had by that point lost my appetite for so it went in the garbage).
 
I imagine, considering my insecurities in my own ability to be a good enough submissive deserving of Sir's love and devotion and collar, since about the only thing I think I can do well is attending to his needs, to be forced to not would present an issue for me.  There are plenty of times when Sir will do something for himself even though I'm there and would gladly do it for him, were he to ask.  Little things, like closing a window or popping a DVD in the player, things like that which are difficult to predict.  He doesn't expect me to be his service slave.  But I've noticed the longer we're together the more satisfaction I get out of things like this, esp. if I get to something before he does.  I truly don't know what would happen were he to essentially prevent me from serving him, if I were forced to see him taking care of things himself.
 
This is truly a much more profound thought than it seems at first glance.


It is difficult to be a service-oriented submissive with a Dominant who does NOT want their needs to be anticipated. I am trying to unlearn immediately doing for someone else because it is the exact opposite of what one of the Dominants I know wants from me. It is like having my hands in mitts and tied behind my back when I am with that particular Dominant. It's frustrating not to *do* and just to *be*, but that's what they want, so that is what I work to give them. Luckily they feed my need to serve just often enough that I don't go crazy when I'm around them.

{edited for danged typos}

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:39:54 AM   
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OMFG
 
Okay, as compliant as I try to be, as compliant as I ‘think’ I am… I think I prolly DO have control issues.
 
I have never had a Dominant who owned me.  I have several close friends in D/s and M/s relationships and this is what I believe I want. 
 
I believe I DO want to relinquish control…   however…   LOL
 
Okay, I’ll stop and just say that Homestead and Level continue to teach me what ‘this’ is all about and my esteem for them grows daily.  WOW
 
Not only am I the eldest child, but the only girl (with three 'little' brothers; our mother died when I was 19)  I AM responsible, if I'm nothing else.  I am also very private.  I shut the door when I pee!  OMG...this would be SUCH a lesson in trust, in learning to accept vulnerability, in LETTING GO!
 
bearlee

Edited to correct spelling; you'd think I'd finish BEFORE I copied and pasted from Word, huh?  Talk about a control-freak!  <sigh>


Look at yourself as a model.  Be there and look pretty.  And wait.

Or as a toy.  To be picked up and put down at someone's desire NOT your own.

Not to relinquish control or accept vulnerability.  How can you?  Those are 'active' verbs and that is not possible in this context.  These things are stripped from you.  Not yours to control any longer.

Sound even more delicious?

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:40:21 AM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		Try to remember that service can be smothering to independent men when they do not desire it.

Learn to control your obsessive impulses, no one else will.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:42:30 AM   
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No, that requires too much attention. Strap a butterfly to her cunt, and set it to a threshold just below where she can orgasm. Leave her like that for 6 or 7 hours.   


On the other hand, Homey; you scare me to death!  good lord!!!

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:45:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am learning to control my compulsion to serve and redirect it into a path that is pleasing to the Dominants that I know. It would seem to be wise to have that under control *before* I find someone who is interested in owning me.

I also find it interesting that you assumed that the Dominant was male. I have found both male and female Dominants who do not want to be served without the service being requested.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 11:46:12 AM   
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Try to remember that service can be smothering to independent men when they do not desire it.

Learn to control your obsessive impulses, no one else will.


Actually, I see this quite well.  As someone who is fiercely independant in their own regard, there are times (maybe most of the time, maybe all of the time) when I just want my partner to be there for my purposes, whatever they might be.  I am more than willing to take care of the rest.

There's no less 'partnership' denoted in this type of relationship.  There can still be dialogue, light-hearted behavior.  But activities are controlled.

One of the things I teach slaves is that the easiest way of making the first step is to consider this.  You have the innate right to breathe.  That's one thing that would be difficult for me to micromanage.  Not that I see the need, or want in all cases, to do so, but I can if it suits me.

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