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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:18:04 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Sure,a bucket. And you are neck-chained to the wall with a two foot logging chain.

A bucket with water would actually be a luxury to soak in it and drip dry, as opposed to remaining soiled until allowed to clean up.  A bucket without water would cause me to ask if he would allow me to clean, or dare I ask if he would clean me, or would he prefer me to remain soiled?  Any answer would accepted without further question.

(Level, look what you started by asking that question!)

However, tied with a two foot chain would render me unavailable to do much else for him, so I would end up feeling rather useless.  If I were close enough for my mouth to reach him, I would spend my time kissing his feet.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:25:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Homestead, I wasn't "criticising" you I was simply pointing out our differences.
If you want very "low maintainance" subs/slaves who require little interaction and infrequent sex there's certainly nothing "wrong" with that.
I'm just the polar opposite from you.
That's all I was saying.

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 9/2/2006 1:26:49 PM >

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:26:44 PM   
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I have to admit to be completely confused to the way this thread is progressing.
This is surely all dependant on whether a s-type finds things degrading, or loving - embarressing or not?
This type of 'training' wont work on every girl... not because they are difficult but because some would just enjoy it.
Some just don't even 'get' it - because some are mentioning the boredom factor.
 
Someone mention not being as rigid.  From my POV - none of this is rigid - its an exceptionally loving and caring tool.
 
From your point of view though Homstead, is it a training tool or a tool to foster creative thinking?
Or both?
 
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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:28:16 PM   
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Sure,a bucket. And you are neck-chained to the wall with a two foot logging chain.

A bucket with water would actually be a luxury to soak in it and drip dry, as opposed to remaining soiled until allowed to clean up.  A bucket without water would cause me to ask if he would allow me to clean, or dare I ask if he would clean me, or would he prefer me to remain soiled?  Any answer would accepted without further question.

(Level, look what you started by asking that question!)

However, tied with a two foot chain would render me unavailable to do much else for him, so I would end up feeling rather useless.  If I were close enough for my mouth to reach him, I would spend my time kissing his feet.

oooo damn girlie... ya gave me shivers...
Peace and Rapture


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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:34:49 PM   
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Homestead, I wasn't "criticising" you I was simply pointing out our differences.
If you want very "low maintainance" subs/slaves who require little interaction and infrequent sex there's certainly nothing "wrong" with that.
I'm just the polar opposite from you.
That's all I was saying.


popeye, I am a diverse and creative individual. I can be anything from a total sex-fiend to abstinent. It all depends on my moods and methodologies. I can also range from a teddy bear, to the coldest of reptiles in my mindsets. I have reasons for this.

I am ecletic, not limited. These sorts of arguments can be avoided, if you simply do not ASSUME someone is a certain way, from very narrow view we give of ourselves here. I'd have not have felt compelled to give you such a hard slap, if you had just let the whole sex issue go. I apologize for the harshness, but I didn't see any other way to get my point across to you.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:38:33 PM   
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I have to admit to be completely confused to the way this thread is progressing.
This is surely all dependant on whether a s-type finds things degrading, or loving - embarressing or not?
This type of 'training' wont work on every girl... not because they are difficult but because some would just enjoy it.
Some just don't even 'get' it - because some are mentioning the boredom factor.
 
Someone mention not being as rigid.  From my POV - none of this is rigid - its an exceptionally loving and caring tool.
 
From your point of view though Homstead, is it a training tool or a tool to foster creative thinking?
Or both?
 
Peace and Rapture



It's both. And the fact that so many see it as boredom, shows me that they really want to avoid knowing themslves. Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

Gawking at sit-coms, and reading fantasy novels does not.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:42:40 PM   
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Well if they're going to literally "tie your hands" (with Mitts) for an entire day - then there will be thing they might not get to enjoy that you'd otherwise be doing for them. But if they want to do it anyway, then they've  probably considered that. I am not sure I'd  like doing this, but that may be the point (I am not sure).

- Susan 


I think that is just the point of the excerise. To show both camps (total control Dom and subs)  there are limits to what total control means to each. This would be TOTAL control unless you alled them to , open doors even with the mitts.



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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:46:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't imagine being bored in a situation like this. Frustrated, definitely, but not bored. But I also know I would end up by just *being* unless told otherwise by a Dominant. After all, my preference is to serve regardless of what that service entails. For some, it's sitting and just being. For others, it's mind-reading and supplying needs before they are even noticed.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:47:34 PM   
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I'm glad to see that people begin to get it. I didn't want to spell it out to blatantly right off. I've done things like this as excercises, to reach the mental aspects of a slave. When I am teaching to meaning of objectified property, few things can have quite the impact of taking away the ability to manipulate. I have also added locking muffle head harnesses to this. Basically a padded leather mask that straps over the face, and forces the chin tightly closed. Ball gags ,or any gag in he mouth is messy, and really doesn't control the ability to speak. The muffler addresses this without straining the jaw.  If the jaw will not open, the tongue has no room to move, or air to be forced through.

I custom made these appliances, I don't screw around. The last part was to add ankle cuffs and a padded steel collar. Clips dangled from the rings on these, I could bind a girl in any location I chose. Over a bondage horse, to a ring bolt in the wall or floor..........

As far as entertaining her? No.

Forget about it, my toy is mine to do with as I please. I can use it, or I can put it away. MY choice.


I admit that I have no idea how I would react to this situation.  One thought that came to mind, though, is that if I was just left somewhere like that and ignored...  I would probably become depressed and feel utterly worthless.  Sort of like I'd been abandoned because the one who chose me wasn't interested in me anymore.
 
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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:52:36 PM   
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I'm glad to see that people begin to get it. I didn't want to spell it out to blatantly right off. I've done things like this as excercises, to reach the mental aspects of a slave. When I am teaching to meaning of objectified property, few things can have quite the impact of taking away the ability to manipulate. I have also added locking muffle head harnesses to this. Basically a padded leather mask that straps over the face, and forces the chin tightly closed. Ball gags ,or any gag in he mouth is messy, and really doesn't control the ability to speak. The muffler addresses this without straining the jaw.  If the jaw will not open, the tongue has no room to move, or air to be forced through.

I custom made these appliances, I don't screw around. The last part was to add ankle cuffs and a padded steel collar. Clips dangled from the rings on these, I could bind a girl in any location I chose. Over a bondage horse, to a ring bolt in the wall or floor..........

As far as entertaining her? No.

Forget about it, my toy is mine to do with as I please. I can use it, or I can put it away. MY choice.


I admit that I have no idea how I would react to this situation.  One thought that came to mind, though, is that if I was just left somewhere like that and ignored...  I would probably become depressed and feel utterly worthless.  Sort of like I'd been abandoned because the one who chose me wasn't interested in me anymore.
 
zuma


Again, you only imagine one scenario this offers. The most negative to you-why?

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:56:58 PM   
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Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:57:57 PM   
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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:58:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead
Sure,a bucket. And you are neck-chained to the wall with a two foot logging chain.

A bucket with water would actually be a luxury to soak in it and drip dry, as opposed to remaining soiled until allowed to clean up.  A bucket without water would cause me to ask if he would allow me to clean, or dare I ask if he would clean me, or would he prefer me to remain soiled?  Any answer would accepted without further question.

(Level, look what you started by asking that question!)

However, tied with a two foot chain would render me unavailable to do much else for him, so I would end up feeling rather useless.  If I were close enough for my mouth to reach him, I would spend my time kissing his feet.


*smiles helpfully and waves*
 


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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 1:59:11 PM   
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Sure,a bucket. And you are neck-chained to the wall with a two foot logging chain.

A bucket with water would actually be a luxury to soak in it and drip dry, as opposed to remaining soiled until allowed to clean up.  A bucket without water would cause me to ask if he would allow me to clean, or dare I ask if he would clean me, or would he prefer me to remain soiled?  Any answer would accepted without further question.

(Level, look what you started by asking that question!)

However, tied with a two foot chain would render me unavailable to do much else for him, so I would end up feeling rather useless.  If I were close enough for my mouth to reach him, I would spend my time kissing his feet.


Try not to think useless. He put you here, that is the use. Or are you so arrogant as to assume to that his uses for you are less important than his perception of what use is?

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 2:00:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find the whole thing very interesting.  To depend on your Master for even the smallest thing, wow, that would really establish the relationship in a different way.  It sort of puts you in your place, I think.  You would have no privacy, because you would need his help and you would have to communicate, to let your needs be known. 
 
This isn't about being bored, or not being able to have yourself entertained.  What do you think you are there for?  You aren't there for your pleasure, you are there for His, plain and simple.  I guess I just don't get that part.  That's not what being a sub/slave is about.. it's about giving yourself to your Master, all of you.  It's not about laying around on the couch being fed grapes, while tied with silk scarves. 
 
This is about service, and the dynamic of the relationship.  Maybe being put in this position, would give a better idea of that for some.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 2:00:43 PM   
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Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

I agree with girlie. I dont think that being mittened is the only way to reach or learn meditation.
I think thats why I am becoming confused as well, because the scenario is altering and I see different outcomes and training.
 
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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 2:06:29 PM   
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This is about service, and the dynamic of the relationship.  Maybe being put in this position, would give a better idea of that for some.


It's more than service, IMO. I'm very service oriented which having my hands immobilized would make very difficult. For me, this would be more about not serving in an active way and serving in an inactive way. That would be difficult for me, but very good for me. I had something, that just barely nudges the edges of this, happen to me a month ago. I was ordered to sit and not move when all I wanted to do was keep going. It was HARD. It felt very wrong, but it was good for me and the Dominants who made that order knew that. I would assume that if I were in a relationship with someone who decided I needed to be without the use of my hands, there would be a reason for it. Unless ordered to accomplish a task, sans hands, I would spend my time thinking over what this was all about. Given permission, I'd probably be asking questions to help me figure it out.

Thank you for this thread. I've been learning a lot about myself as I read and think about it.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 2:07:34 PM   
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Sure,a bucket. And you are neck-chained to the wall with a two foot logging chain.

A bucket with water would actually be a luxury to soak in it and drip dry, as opposed to remaining soiled until allowed to clean up.  A bucket without water would cause me to ask if he would allow me to clean, or dare I ask if he would clean me, or would he prefer me to remain soiled?  Any answer would accepted without further question.

(Level, look what you started by asking that question!)

However, tied with a two foot chain would render me unavailable to do much else for him, so I would end up feeling rather useless.  If I were close enough for my mouth to reach him, I would spend my time kissing his feet.


Try not to think useless. He put you here, that is the use. Or are you so arrogant as to assume to that his uses for you are less important than his perception of what use is?

Hmm, no, not arrogant. It is because in my particular training, constantly working for him is his expectation.  When he stores me in the closet, I know it is contemplation time, and that my use is to be out of his way.  Because you suddenly changed gears in this thread, I went from finding creative ways to work for him to suddenly being put in a scenario without the ability to do that.  Apparently I had not yet shifted a mindset when writing my post. In my case, to assume he wants me to remain still (rather than him telling me that), would be arrogant.  I would never ever assume otherwise.  Your training is different than others.  To assume others have the same requirements in their slaves as you would be incorrect.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 2:09:07 PM   
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Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

I agree with girlie. I dont think that being mittened is the only way to reach or learn meditation.
I think thats why I am becoming confused as well, because the scenario is altering and I see different outcomes and training.
 
Peace and Rapture


I think this is what happens in many cases when the Master changes the direction and goal without properly communicating  - the slave becomes confused and has trouble meeting his requirements.  If he is not careful, she could be unintentionally set up to fail.

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RE: no hands - 9/2/2006 2:12:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead
Meditation has valid uses in self-awareness and growth.

I quite agree.  But does it require a girl's hands to be useless and for her to be tied with a 2 foot chain to accomplish that?  Being locked in a cage or closet would also work.  So would being shunned to a corner of the room. 

It appears the point of this thread is changing, unless I am misunderstanding.  The original question was what to do if unable to use hands, added to include being tethered to a 2 foot chain. The scenario has completely changed, which creates a different outcome...doesn't it?

I agree with girlie. I dont think that being mittened is the only way to reach or learn meditation.
I think thats why I am becoming confused as well, because the scenario is altering and I see different outcomes and training.
 
Peace and Rapture



This scenario can lead in many different directions, just like individuals. I have been accused many times here of being rigid - I am anything but. I have an extremely active and adaptive mind, and will often see where a 'flow' will lead. If you can do this, it creates an immense base of personal power. Your perceptions broaden, and more tools come into your hands. And with these tools, one can create yet others.

In this scenario a dependency is created, and an intimacy, along with it. Things taken for granted are cast into stark releif.

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