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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 3:02:02 AM   
Wolfie648


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ORIGINAL: Owned1

I know there have been questions on here about Dom/mes incomes however this sparked a question in my mind.

I know I have met a number of Dominants who backed off quickly when they found out how much money I made per year.  The fact I made much more than they did seemed to truly intimidate them.



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I know in society today power = money and money = power.


Money makes things easier. I've had it and I haven't. I chose which direction I went. Money is not self is not power - to me. Cash is cash and it buys things. The last thing I want to do is buy that which could be given freely.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 3:06:37 AM   
slavejlb


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Status: offline 		does money matter, to me no, i dont need millions to be happy, all i require is enough to pay my bills, and to buy items for my grandkids,
it would be nice to have enough once in a while to take a trip like to England or cruise somewhere
take care and be safe
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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 3:20:42 AM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		What an interesting thread.  Does money matter?  Of course it does...just how much is the question.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 5:08:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owned1

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Do you think income plays a factor in a M/s D/s relationship and where the power lies?



It's a factor... but not in where the power lies.


If you might KnightofMists please expand on your thoughts

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money affects the type of decisions that one is able to make.... money is just another resource that we put towards things that we want... just as we put resources to achieve money... we can turn around and use that money to gain other resources.  money is not power... it's a resource acquired.  Naturally though the more resources you have.. money time.. etc... the more you could feasible do.

But, in the contexts of my M/s relationships the power of authority is mine.... my authority will dicatate how the resources are used... where they orginate from is irrelevant.  Now for information base... I am a highly paid individual in my career.  I can very comfortable support alandra and the four little ones... if need be I could even support kyra within the confines of my house... thou the comfort level would go down (comfort level meaning disposable income).  alandra stays at home an works with the pay of love from the little ones... priceless I would say... kyra on the other hand has a signficant income in her own right.  Infact.... her disposable income provided to the house is actually more than twice maybe even three times higher than mine.  Thou I make more.. My direct financial responsibilities are much higher than the financial responsibilities that she brings to the house.  In short... thou kyra makes less money she actually contributes much more signifcantly to the resources to the comforts of the family's life.

Frankly... it doesn't matter where the money comes from.... I Make the Decisions on it's Use.  The power is in who makes the decisions... the power comes not from the earning of the money... but out of character, values, personality of a person.  My personal power that orginate within myself is what has inspired kyra to hand willingly her power of decision and give complete submission and obedience to me.  to me weak individuals rate themselves on the size of a wallet...  personally... I rate myself on the love within my life.  both the love I can give and receive...



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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 5:09:46 AM   
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Your'e on my ignore list, I have had enough of you.


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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 6:34:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owned1

I know there have been questions on here about Dom/mes incomes however this sparked a question in my mind.

I know I have met a number of Dominants who backed off quickly when they found out how much money I made per year.  The fact I made much more than they did seemed to truly intimidate them.

I know in society today power = money and money = power.

Do you think income plays a factor in a M/s D/s relationship and where the power lies?

Owned
ps it was not because I am fat ugly or smelly that the dominant types scurried away


There has been some good answers here.  And I agree with a lot that has been posted.  On the flip side, I've seen those without wealth who hold power positions in employment.  I don't agree that money = power, but it does equate stability, and some security. And I think when we look for compatible others, we want someone who can manage their life similiar to the way we run our own, with value and goals and planning ahead in mind.

It doesn't matter to me if mine makes more or less than I do, as long as there is some kind of balance and negotiating who will pay for what.  I also feel that if there is no intention of planning your life financially and you go for broke, then you are setting yourself up for failure. 

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 6:50:54 AM   
diaperedbaby


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Status: offline 		I would have to say it matters depending on where someone is coming from. I do very well and for something long term, I would think it would matter for some. Not sure about the power thing, but I agree it does give more options in life that might not always have been there. I find people are different when there isn't external stresses due to finances.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 6:55:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I suspose thoose who are wrapped up in the material things of this world money matters. I have even seen and heard conversations between submissives that make it sound like if the money is right thens submission is possible. Nothing suprises me anymore lol..

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 7:18:59 AM   
juliaoceania


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I want to be sure I chime in, money as far as whom I am with does not matter, as is evidenced by the trail of poor or broke men in my life that worked, but did not make enough to suit their needs, much less mine. I have made the decision that if I were to marry a dominant they would have control over the finances, not that I would be ignorant about such things, just not the decision maker... which is what I mean about having power over money. Making a load of money has never been a priority of mine

But I did not think this thread was about whether money itself was important, more what dominants thought of subs that make more of it than they do, and if that puts them off of a submissive,... unforunately there has not been many of those answers because I think this is a very interesting thread concept.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 7:47:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owned1
I know I have met a number of Dominants who backed off quickly when they found out how much money I made per year.  The fact I made much more than they did seemed to truly intimidate them.
I know in society today power = money and money = power.
Do you think income plays a factor in a M/s D/s relationship and where the power lies?
Owned


owned,
Next time it occurs ask them if it's the money or the way you serve the position that brings you the money. I don't doubt that you've run across some who lack confidence and are intimidated by your earning and position. But that may not be the only factor.

Is your position and work the focus of your life? Do you serve it as your 'master'? Do you project there is no place in your life to serve anyone else?

There are people who won't be intimidated and you'll meet them if you keep trying. But how would you react if they were your exact image of your "perfect Dom" and said to serve them you'd have to quit serving the high powered, high income position. Would you have the confidence and not be intimidated to make that decision?

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 7:48:21 AM   
Nimkii


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Status: offline 		In the end I don't think it should matter who mkaes the money. it comes into the home it pays the bills and it keeps everything running. that is what should matter more then who makes more

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 7:56:07 AM   
MasterFireMaam


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Status: offline 		For me, the only problem would be a matter of personal security. I would work very hard to not get into a situation where the payments I have for "stuff" were beyond my own personal means. Purchasing things on credit and using someone else's money to make those payments is a fast way of going into debt in such a way that I couldn't maintain by myself. What if he or she disappeared? I'd be in over my head. This is a security issue for me...I want to know that I can survive, on my own, financially. So, if it's agreed that the slave's income would be part of the household funds or simply handed over to me, I would end up saving it and buying things with cash or using it to pay off items on which I'm already am making payments. No new payments unless I, personally, can afford them. Of course, this is only after setting up (or maintaining) the appropriate investments (like retirement) AND making sure the slave's bills are paid for, etc. etc. I also wouldn't force the slave to purchase things beyond his or her means should I disappear.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 7:57:39 AM   
Taylore


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Do you think income plays a factor in a M/s D/s relationship and where the power lies?

For this slave, money does not play a factor in who has power. Master and I both work. However, since we do not live in the same house at this time, money does not factor into our relationship at all. I pay all my own bills, he pays all his own bills. When I visit him at his house, he is Master. When he decides to come to my apartment,that does not change. He is still Master.
How much money either of us makes does not change that.


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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 8:16:20 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Do you think income plays a factor in a M/s D/s relationship and where the power lies?

Income always matters. 

How much or why it matters is a different story.

And no, I don't think it has anything to do with where the power or authority lies.  Anyone who does has insecurity issues or put things into abitrary blocks.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 8:47:32 AM   
Tikkiee


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: Owned1
I know I have met a number of Dominants who backed off quickly when they found out how much money I made per year.  The fact I made much more than they did seemed to truly intimidate them.
I know in society today power = money and money = power.
Do you think income plays a factor in a M/s D/s relationship and where the power lies?
Owned


owned,
Next time it occurs ask them if it's the money or the way you serve the position that brings you the money. I don't doubt that you've run across some who lack confidence and are intimidated by your earning and position. But that may not be the only factor.

Is your position and work the focus of your life? Do you serve it as your 'master'? Do you project there is no place in your life to serve anyone else?

There are people who won't be intimidated and you'll meet them if you keep trying. But how would you react if they were your exact image of your "perfect Dom" and said to serve them you'd have to quit serving the high powered, high income position. Would you have the confidence and not be intimidated to make that decision?

I like how Mercnbeth put this. I know for a fact that right now, there is no way I could give up my career choice for another. Maybe one day in the future my outlook would change, but right at this moment..I don't see it happening.
 
However, in answer to the OP
 
I personally don't really care how much  money my partner makes. As long as everyone is responsible financially, that is what matters. At least to me anyway.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 8:50:35 AM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		Looking back over the topic, I also realize this may well come from emotionally needy Dominants who think a sub has no right to devote more time to a career than to themselves.

I couldn't really relate to this on a personal level.........I never wanted to marry my mother.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 8:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care how much money a person makes. I only care that they can take care of themself and if the time should come that we co-habitate, they can share in the responsibilities. If someone makes more than I and and contributes more......awsome! If not, then we live accordingly. No one will live in my home and not share financial responsibility. I don't care how busy they think they can make themself doing housework, if I can do it while being gone 12 hours a day 5 days a week, so can they.


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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 9:01:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

Your'e on my ignore list, I have had enough of you.


I am heart broken!


Knight, LOL!  He (Homestead) is on my "Blocked" list.
Try that block button, it works real good!
You have 4 little ones in your household? Wow! Must be interesting in your house!

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 9:02:34 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		Owned in some companies moving up the so called carear ladder isnt advisable. The position above mine is filled about every 3 months. Why would I want to leave a secure position for that. Moving around to be on a power trip is for fools.

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RE: Does income matter? - 9/6/2006 9:23:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		My only money concern is that 1) he/she does not use more resources than they bring into the family and 2) he/she does not use money as a substitute for service or a power grap.

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