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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 3:05:10 PM   
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I would say a counseling session( or several) is what you need to learn how to
deal with it.

you have to really want it for it too happen and beware that even though you deal with it and trust people chances are someone else is going to leave.

I personally dont think its a War that can be won,its only the small Battles that are conquered.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 3:17:01 PM   
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If she's truly bi polar a counselor can't do anything for her, she needs a psychiatrist to prescribe meds.  After reading those threads - borderline comes to my mind.  

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 3:20:56 PM   
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The only exception  I would make to that is someone that is a danger to themselves or others, and you do not seem to be...smiles

You should really go read her past threads.  Although she's blanked a lot of the earlier, more revealing ones.

This was from her thread "what do you do to ease the pain?" back in June, 2005:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_116168/mpage_1/key_blood/tm.htm#116174

Em alot of things. For one, when i things arent going well, i stop talking to my friends. Wont call them, wont answer the phone. After about 5 years, LOL they tend to get the message and leave well enough alone until i make first contact

when i'm confused about things.. i talk to people.

i can shut down completely and hole myself up.

One of my "old" favorites was to go get completely smashed at a bar.

i write.

Unfortunetly when i get "hurt" i get pretty angry.. so i become a total witch.

Or i read.. constantly like a 500 book in two days. Watch movies. Listen to music.

take off for a walk out into the night to see what "adventure" might pop up.

And then there is those bad habits that Master has taught me not to do....

like drawing blood on myself.. becoming
destructive

And there is the option Master has been trying to teach me 

Just going to him and telling him


Then there's the "I need help" thread back in December of 2006:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_212349/mpage_1/key_hole/tm.htm#212349

What are the problems? He disregards my safety. He lies to me, he sneaks around behind my back, he cheats(cheating as, he sleeps with some one and lies to me about it) on me, he doesnt work, he does absolultely nothing at all, he does not and can not pay his bills, he is harsh with my unmentionable (tho i think i have worked that out), he sleeps all day, he's on the computer all night. He uses others. Um, sexual interaction is at a nil with him, D/s goes stand still sometimes, he doesnt shower often. He has no motivation, no initiative. He's at war with MY family. He's at war with my daughter. The other day he threatened to smack me if i didnt drop my attitude and my unmetionable just to spite me, threw gritted teeth non the less and completely because he was pissed off.

Yes we live together. ON TOP of that, when i tried to leave him once, i went through such a phsyical turmiol i couldnt even stand up. i had to curl up in ball, because my legs wouldnt hold me. When i get so mad i'd like to chop his head off and i to the point hate him, i am literally sick to my stomach. i love him and i cant honestly imagine my life with out him. Yeah its rough times, but weather out the storm right? this is all recent.


And there are numerous others which points to decades of trauma, self-abuse, instability and issues.  Riot has admitted herself and been happy about going into counseling and back on stabilizing drugs a few times now- and always ends up at the same destructive place decrying counseling and how she's just too good for it.  Her postings are actually very predictable based on which part of her bipolar cycle she is on at any particular time.

Hi LA
To me this shows what growth she's accomplished in such little time. What did you hope to show us by pointing out a message that agrees with her concept she pushes people away, is angry, or that she says she has anxiety. Are you the same exact person you were in June? I know I've changed a lot since then too.
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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 3:48:39 PM   
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A regular MD can also prescribe the meds she may or may not need.Mine can anyway.


I dont post much...so I dont know about past things or past posts(I post on current topics when I do post)...I do know that people do things to get attention even if its negative attention.

Perhaps that is all this person is looking for...attention...even if its negative it makes them feel important.Instead of playing into it,just ignore it.



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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 4:51:15 PM   
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Yup- once she said she'd been diagnosed as bi-polar it all made sense.

RiotGirl does appear to have mood swings. However, in Psychology Information Online I read: "The statistics suggest that four episodes in ten years is an average, without preventative treatment." As RiotGirl has issues at a far higher frequency, this rules out her being bipolar in the classical sense.
So I do not know that she is bipolar. It is a label that has been applied to her, perhaps inaccurately.
 
It seems to me that she wants and requires - as many people do - security, protection and stability. When she has that, her mood swings will probably disappear.
 
She is struggling to survive in what she experiences as a hostile, selfish world, doing it all alone, fighting against overwhelming odds. Possibly, not connecting to other people, she is painfully alone. I hope that she will decide that this is a no-win situation and to remedy it by assuming the opposite philosophy and by connecting to many other people, connecting her life-lines to them.
Her attending school is one of the ways the universe provides her with opportunities to connect to other people. Hopefully she will make use of these opportunities.
 

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 5:46:46 PM   
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I am not a psychiatrist and even if I were I could not diagnose someone online in a public chat forum.  In life there are many different people.  Some have mental illness others physical illness, with each there are treatments and there are those who choose not to seek treatment.

Either way if Riot chooses to look for her help online that is her choice, imho not the best option but as she states therapists are not usefull to her so her option is here.  Does this make sense?

As someone said any attention is good attention for some, I personally think this is the case.

Riot,  until you believe you have a problem and activly seek appropriate treatment for it this is your life.  I say good luck to you.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 6:09:59 PM   
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Gee LA - you just couldnt cut it out.

There isnt actually a correlation and hmmmm  U Know........ 

Man, this is one of those "times" that my family is constantly trying to tell me to "sit" on it before i speak.  You know, and i read your posts too, so i read you as well.  I read how others read you - ) 

You're real cute, you know that?  Which is fine, because i'm gonna get right on that!  Nah, no worries.  Weeeee.. Real fucking cute.

So i guess my next question is.  Whats the point?  What is you're point?  That i have been on these boards for 2 years working out various problems?  Gee, didnt think it was a secret.  Next point?  Oh right, i'm fucked in the head.  Gee, didnt make that a secret either did i?  Too bad, you cant just bluntly speak your mind like i can.  See, i dun have a problem telling you that yer a know it all stuck up fucked in the head, wannabee uber ugly cunt.  Least i can admit my problems and not hide behind some bullshit perfectionist front.  You know, what you want to portray isnt actually portrayed. 

Whats the point?  I dun see one.  Oh wait.  i'm bi polar!  Thats right.  And you are so certifibly nuts in the field of diagnosising others that you are Completely spot on!  You really know how to beat an idea to death.  Are you afraid that because yer so full of shit on who you want to portray that you need to some how continueously try and prove you're right?  Its gets old.  Find something new to harp on.

Lets see, i'm sure i'm missing "your point" 

By the way Ms Know it all.  I'm not on meds and i'm doing pretty damn good.  Drugs kill and i choose to live - )  Solutions arent always "counselars and drugs" sometimes its just figuring out what you need to figure out.  Unfortunetly you forgot to mention ALL the threads about when i was on meds 2 years ago and ended up having a grand old time caring a hole into my arm.  Among other things.  Portray things as you will, its your perspective that you seem to need to beat into the earth a few million times.

W/e this is retarded.  Its done.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 6:18:09 PM   
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Oh!  And i've made alot of progress!

But that is MINE. 

w/e  its done.  Thank you Rule and the others who in a more pleasant way agree with what i was sort of saying in a pissed off yet, i'm not gonna get all riled up tone of voice. 

Like i said, i'm done.  i cant be having this crap pop up 3 or 4 years from now when my shit is completely together and i'm working with some high powered business. 

you just dunnnnnn want me to lay all the negative crap to rest and to start fresh with a positive attitude do you?  Which is okay as you arent worth my thoughts or time.  Unfortunetly there IS a possiblity of a negative consquence which i have to be on gaurd for.  It is the way of life. - )



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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 8:22:08 PM   
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Riotgirl,
i've got to tell You first of all, that it's extremly difficult on my part to respond to any of Your posts because of the vengeful and hatefulness of your responses to others....i do believe in a few things with absolute certainty: 1. Counselors are very well trained in their chosen fields (i am one by the way), however they are only as effective as the person allows them to be. 2. Medications are very necessary for people with chemical imbalances (i should know, i am one of those). It in no way is a cop out for Your need to take responsibility for Your life, however it is an assistance ensuring You have the ability to do what is necessary.
I'm able (legally and professionally) to "label" someone who appears to meet certain diagnostic criteria, but would never do that in this situation... However, here is what i will tell You...i am very very scared for you...i worry about where this anger and rage will turn next when You dont' have outlets such as these boards to post on...You truly, in my mind, remind me of someone who ends up killing themself because they were so angry and they were going to "show" someone else what's what....Think that's impossible? Let me give You the cemetary addresses, or the addresses to the men, women, and children left behind by the self destrutiveness of someone elses...
Go ahead, rip me apart. But, please do not fool Yourself into believing that doing so, will discount any of what i've shared with You..Why have i done so? Because i care!! Call me stpuid, call me a fool, call me whatever will help You sleep at night, but please get some help!!!
if not for you, then for Your children, or Your family, or Your friends...

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 8:35:01 PM   
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A regular MD can also prescribe the meds she may or may not need.Mine can anyway.


I dont post much...so I dont know about past things or past posts(I post on current topics when I do post)...I do know that people do things to get attention even if its negative attention.

Perhaps that is all this person is looking for...attention...even if its negative it makes them feel important.Instead of playing into it,just ignore it.


 

i went to my internist and asked about meds for depression. i was told that depression meds can be prescribed for men through internists but that a womens chemistry was more complicated and i had to go to a psychiatrist.  Yet the another doctor in the same office a few years later prescribed me xanax. 

i am not a big fan on meds. i think they can really help but if your not comfortable with them it's counterproductive.  Most psychiatrists insist that you go to talk therapy if they prescribe meds.  And a lot of therspists will try to strong arm you to go on meds by telling you that you are too ill to treat safely with just therapy and they don't want to be liable.  Talk about trust isssues being destroyed! 



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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 8:37:58 PM   
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BTW - i know xanax is not a depression med :-)

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/7/2006 8:56:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

A regular MD can also prescribe the meds she may or may not need.Mine can anyway.


I dont post much...so I dont know about past things or past posts(I post on current topics when I do post)...I do know that people do things to get attention even if its negative attention.

Perhaps that is all this person is looking for...attention...even if its negative it makes them feel important.Instead of playing into it,just ignore it.


 

i went to my internist and asked about meds for depression. i was told that depression meds can be prescribed for men through internists but that a womens chemistry was more complicated and i had to go to a psychiatrist.  Yet the another doctor in the same office a few years later prescribed me xanax. 

i am not a big fan on meds. i think they can really help but if your not comfortable with them it's counterproductive.  Most psychiatrists insist that you go to talk therapy if they prescribe meds.  And a lot of therspists will try to strong arm you to go on meds by telling you that you are too ill to treat safely with just therapy and they don't want to be liable.  Talk about trust isssues being destroyed! 




I dont get it...My Doc has been able to prescribe any meds I have ever needed whether it was Prozac,Klonopin,Xanax or Pepcid.
I feel for ya on the trust issues...unfortnately not all therapists are good ones.
I am lucky to have a fantastic counselor and a really smart,up to date MD.

The hardest part was admitting I cant control everything and that Prozac is just important as the meds for I take for other things like acid reflux.

This is what My doc said to Me...If you had Diabetes you would take the meds this(prozac) is no different,its needed.When put that way I was able to accept some things are just simple not controllable.Its sad the stigma that is still out there about Mental Health issues.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 5:40:54 AM   
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  And a lot of therspists will try to strong arm you to go on meds by telling you that you are too ill to treat safely with just therapy and they don't want to be liable.  Talk about trust isssues being destroyed! 


Since therapy is so personal not ALL counselors will work for ALL people. It may take time to find the right person to work with. There has to be a certain level of understanding, rapport and trust built and that can take time. (sound familiar?)

My son had seen numerous counselors from a very young age. It wasn't until his late teens that he found one he made progress with. It was a combination of his readiness and her ability to relate to teens.

If you really think you could benefit from having  a trained objective person help you work through the ways in which you self-sabotage your life, keep trying. Ask around, get recommendations, maybe join some support groups that relate to you and find out if any of those member use private counselors and how they feel about them. I'm a strong proponent of counseling and therapy. I've seen it change lives, mine included.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 6:11:18 AM   
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I am finding there are still defenses that have yet to be breached by my Daddy, he finds these defenses and he does not tear them down, he does not manipulate me into not having them.... he gently points these out to me and even at times makes me say things in different ways that have the effect of making me feel like a vulnerable child, and then he validates that with loving kindness... I have to say, no one has ever given me that gift before and it is something I absolutely treasure.

If I was busy building walls, it would not only keep the pain out, but the joy too... I never want to go backwards, I can only go forwards now.


How beautiful!  This was so sweet, I'm getting weepy.  I guess Sinergy deserves a big hug just for being himself!


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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 6:55:43 AM   
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Riot,

I've never posted to you before, even though I've seen lots of the posts Em refers to here.  I have a son who suffers from Major Depression.  Like Bi-Polar disorder, Major Depression is a physical, not "mental" disorder.  My son, like a diabetic, needs medication and will need medication every day of his life.  Without it, he becomes suicidal.  With it, he runs a website for a major, national corporation and is engaged to be married.

It took him a long time to understand he couldn't "fix" himself.  For a while, I couldn't understand why therapy alone didn't help him.  The chemicals in his brain don't work the way they are supposed to.  With Bi-Polar disorder, yours don't either.  It is a physical disease and it requires a physical remedy.

My son told me by the time he was 19 that he didn't ever want to see a therapist again.  He was therapied out.  And do you know what?  He was right.  But he knows that he needs to take his antidepressant every day.  He will literally die without it.  No therapist can change what his biochemistry is.  But his regular doctor now prescribes the meds he needs.  And, he needed to try quite a few different drugs before he found one that had the least amount of side effects and was tolerable for him.  At that time, he was working with a psychiatrist that listened to him about side effects and made the changes based on what my son told him.

There are psychiatrists out there that do listen.  Not counsel you, but listen to you telling them about the meds and how they effect you.  Keep at it and you will find someone who will work with you to find a tolerable drug or drugs that work together in combination without leaving you like a zombie or 90# overweight.

Good luck.....but keep at it.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 8:14:42 AM   
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Hey Riot,
 
i understand the stigma that gets associated with therapists, and the like.  You may also be turned off to taking prescribed drugs.  However, there are also holistic alternative methods and approaches that have worked well for many folks, and it is done at the physiological and biochemical levels by use of natural means.  Dietary and nutritional changes in the body, along with supplying minerals and nutrients where one is deficient, also help to bring about a natural balance in the entire body which promotes mental clarity and emotional balance.  There are also guides, coaches and other folks who are very good at helping folks through difficult times of emotional imbalances caused partly by chemical imbalances in the brain, and/or traumatic or painful situations of the past that affect current thinking and emotional mindset.  They use different approaches, with a focus on wholism.  Perhaps you may wish to persue that route, just to give it a try before ruling it out. 
 
You need to find something that works for you and make a committment to stick with it. 
You must be an active and willing participant in your recovery, there is no quick fix.  It has taken you years to reach this condition and state of being, and it will take some time to reverse it, adjust the nuero chemical pathways, and also make changes in the way you receive and perceive life and people, and most of all, how you feel about yourself. 
 
You may wish to try a coach, one who works with helping folks shed the layers of emotions that certain situations have caused them to hold on to, that affects current behavior, attitude of life, and emotional mindset.  There are folks that will help guide you to the underlying root causes of the resentment and anger, etc.,  you may be experiencing, and help you cleanse your being both spiritually and physically.
 
You may wish to find healing for your spirit and soul, it is clear by the way you express yourself, that you also need to value yourself enough to WANT to stop this cycle you find yourself living in.  Regeneration of the whole body/mind/spirit, is something i believe would benefit you to consider.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 11:09:23 AM   
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Hiya Raiken,

There are alot of approaches to dealing with things actually.  The whole bi polar thing, you know if i am bi polar then one or both of my parents is.  They've come down to finding it in a gene or something.  God knows, it’s been awhile since I’ve read up on it.  But both of my parents do damn well.  Saying i am bi polar is a cop out.  i am responsible for all of my actions/non actions and anything i'm involved in.  Getting nasty yesterday with EM, i'm responsible for.  I’m responsible for feeling the way i did and responding like i did.  i AM responsible. 

On your approach to other ways of dealing with things, i've found that actually getting GOOD, normal sleep does wonders for me. I had a friend point out that when i don’t get enough sleep, i get a bit out there.  I’ve also found that working out is really helpful.  I’ve actually found many things that are helpful.  Which is ... why... im.... doing... them. 

The thing is also, lol, it seems retarded to have to say it, but obviously it needs to be said - CM doesn’t see the whole picture.  They see what i say here, which is never the whole picture.  When I make these threads all it is, pieces here and there from my mind that i'm having a bit of trouble dealing with. They dun even have a clue to as what my personality is.  They dun even see the full range of though process that i go through when it comes to anything.  They see parts of it.  What they do see is a range of emotions, which is in fact quite healthy in a normal flow of life.  Everything i say, and do here is just parts of a puzzle.  To want to diagnosis me based on "parts" that you see, is pretty much unintelligent.  Point blank.  State your opinion, "i think this" is fine - but to beat some over the head repeatedly because of what you think is again unintelligent. 

i only show what i want to show.  i generally come here with JUST parts as i'm not looking for a "whole package" fix.  To simplify it for those who can’t seem to grasp what i am trying to say is this: its like i am asking how to make my roses prettier and what i get back from ppl like LA is how to make my garden prettier.  She hasn’t SEEN my garden.  Now granted she might have seen parts here and there. But unless she wants to be completely unintelligent and ASSUME that all there is, well. 

I'm not trying to be a complete ass.  Only partial = )  While i do appreciate every one wanting to offer advice on the "whole garden" its not why i posted this thread.  The title of this thread does not say "i'm fucked in the head what do i do?"  It says "abandonment issues"  Which for the simpler of mind, means "i've a weed in my garden and i want to get rid of it"  The majority here might think that to get rid of the weeds one must find a way to get rid of all the weeds together, but that’s not the case.  i do actually garden. 

And since my garden (remember this is a analogy) is overall very beautiful, sustaining and goes about life very well i don’t need the repeated attempts to CHANGE my garden.  Plus it’s all perspective.  i am actually on the whole quite happy with myself.  i rock and everyone else thinks so, in my daily life.  Quite frankly, i do very well. 

So my garden is beautiful, yet i do have some weeds.  Quite possibly all i do when i come here is try to take out the weeds, because i want my garden to be prettier.  i LOVE my garden and i want it to be the best that it can be, it deserves nothing less.  Yet, i like friendly advice and i like to have new perspectives on what to with it. i am not ALL knowing.  i cant see everything.  So yes, i do come here to see further beyond what my own eyes will see.

Isn’t that what life is about folks?  Being the best you can in everything you do?  Its like - i may have a great body.  i may be very well toned and i may be in great physical health.  Does that mean i shouldn’t work out?  Does that mean i shouldn’t monitor what i eat?  Should i just say "hey it’s good enough - why improve?"

And to restate - i like friendly advice.  What i don’t like is when i email some one in a friendly way and ask them to cut it out and they feel the need to ignore my request and sabotage my efforts in improving something as simple as a rose bush. 

Not that it matters anymore as to the "rose bush" As after these two threads, i have sort of figured out that the attitude and abandonment issues come merely from anxiety.  (Which lolol they do make a magic pill for)  Now that i am aware that it comes from anxiety, i can make counter moves to not let it rule certain situations that i am faced with.  IE become more comfortable around others i don’t know and to remember when i am starting to "feel" abandoned to take a step back and let myself know that i am basing a judgment out of anxiety.  Anxiety is not real.  Self talk would follow, ultimately changing my reaction to the situation.

Thanks, had fun.  i appreciated the space to improve something that i decided i didn’t like.  And i do GREATLY appreciate all those that really took a moment to stop and think on this with me.  With out the good people that answered, i would not have been able to come to a conclusion on how to deal with it which is of course why i came here.  There are alot of intelligent ppl floating around = )

P.S.  for another partial puzzle, while i did check grammer and spelling in Ms Word this is not my best essay = )  I can actually write very well, which is why no matter the school or class - i always get an A   Do you get it?  Parts of the puzzle.  Just because i can write very illiterate does not mean i do not now how to write appropriately.  I was even writing college level poems at the age of 16.  Its what i care to show.  One of the simpler things i have not cared to share is how well i can write - grammer, punctuation, content, and spelling and all that.   


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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 11:54:52 AM   
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  And a lot of therspists will try to strong arm you to go on meds by telling you that you are too ill to treat safely with just therapy and they don't want to be liable.  Talk about trust isssues being destroyed! 


Since therapy is so personal not ALL counselors will work for ALL people. It may take time to find the right person to work with. There has to be a certain level of understanding, rapport and trust built and that can take time. (sound familiar?)

My son had seen numerous counselors from a very young age. It wasn't until his late teens that he found one he made progress with. It was a combination of his readiness and her ability to relate to teens.

If you really think you could benefit from having  a trained objective person help you work through the ways in which you self-sabotage your life, keep trying. Ask around, get recommendations, maybe join some support groups that relate to you and find out if any of those member use private counselors and how they feel about them. I'm a strong proponent of counseling and therapy. I've seen it change lives, mine included.


Actually this is the problem i had with my teen.  Even trying to find a psychiatrist who was on my insurance plan and who would agree to see a teen was monumental.  i ended up having to just forgo insurance and pay out of pocket.  She insisted my daughter stay in therapy or she would withdraw the meds she needed saying she would not be able to safely and responsibly treat her. That was no problem as she had a therapist which my daughter REALLY connnected with (this took 3 years and a few bad eggs along the way to find).   One of her issues was drug abuse which was a result of many things, one of which was having to wait too long trying to find a psychiatrist - she self medicated - what a mess really overall.  Therapist claimed if shes abusing she can't see her, if the therapist can't see her then the psychiatrist was going to follos suit. i can understand their reasoning to a point - but i think trust is very important and no one can  feel trust when they are being turned away for having the "wrong issue".  But then again i am a mom and myabe my persepctive here isn't quite accurate. i just want my daughter to get well.

As for myself - i had a wonderful psychiatrist but he left the multi practice i went to. The replacement was a "my way or the highway" type.... hmmmm wonder of he maybe was a dom LOL.  i wasn't happy with his inflexability so i stopped seing him.  It was a good choice as i was having too many side effects apparently i should have been willing to live with according to Dr. Hardhead.   i have been to therapist before and while they have made gentle suggestions to me - none of them gave me an ultimatum. If they did i wouldn't have gone back.

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 12:35:48 PM   
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I'm still trying to emotionally regroup since you abandoned the MB some months ago. Who's pictures can I now so delightfully peruse? Whatever became of the cats in the driveway?

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RE: Abandonment issues - 9/8/2006 12:56:23 PM   
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Well RiotGirl,
 
You have done a very good job at sharing the different weeds in your garden, nice analogy too, btw.   You are absolutely right, you will only get feedback according to what you give out, and how clear it is presented.  
 
Btw:  Remember to use spring water and organic fertilizer in your garden, to continually give back to the soil, sustaining its richness to produce the best of the best that your garden can be. Take care


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