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Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 11:32:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

OK I'll go with the idea that your intentions are truly honorable.

But don't start to explore or get her exploring this UNTIL you've spent considerable time together, know that you won't be separated again for awhile and have a seriously solid foundation between you both.

Right now the foundation of security you have within yourselves and the relationship is like runny mud.

You've got an issue here with your sub.  Bringing someone new into that situation for ANY purpose is a stupid idea.  Clean your house before you invite guests.


Well she's been longing for another woman for about a year now; as long as we have been together. The threesome idea took me about six months to finally say "Ok, I'll seek one." Giving that up (for the time being), I don't see why after a year together she cannot explore with another.

SHE LIKES TO BE TOUCHED AND TOUCHED OFTEN! This is one of our great problems (if not the biggest one) while I'm on the road. The idea of her calling me and saying, "Guess who I'm naked with at this very moment," not only gives me great joy for her, but I'll admit...It turns me on! (call me sick, call me crazy, call me a cab!).

I love the idea of giving her such a gift; a gift no man has ever dared give her in the past (because they wished for threesomes). She never wished to have a threesome with another man, yet with me she says it is different (lucky me!). No, she was not ready for me actually making it happen and I told her I have no problem with never having a threesome as long as we live. Who cares?

Well, she does!

One day perhaps (pass the viagra). Yet for now I wish merely to be that which she needs and loves. I fell in love with her before I knew she was submissive. I had never encountered such a wonder. I learned and am learning this lifestyle because I came to realize she needs it. It has been a long, arduous, frustrating, yet often enlightening quest which I would not give up for the world. I would be in love with her if she was "normal," but she is not.

She is gifted.




slve2MastersWill -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 11:43:46 AM)

Smiles.. very true..




Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 11:55:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Talldrkgentleman
OMG! I just saw on your profile you are bisexual!

You did not mention that you too have desires for women on your post. Now I am very curious to find out why what is right for you is not right for others.

A) Being bisexual is hardly the same thing as actively looking for a sexual partner

B)  I said it is not right for you RIGHT NOW.

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Are you sure you should be posting advice here? It seems those in glass houses shouldnt' throw stones. You enjoy women, yet you don't wish others to do the same?

You would enjoy sexual pleasure while your house is flooded and crumbling around you?

I'm not the one posting about how my sub is a complete insecure mess and I have no idea how to really help manage the situation.
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Perhaps all women are not as forward as you and need help in finding such lovers. Why is it so wrong for her to be so shy, and wrong for me to help her find a lover?

I would love to hear your response.

Because she's fragile, insecure, immature, unable to express herself honestly, has NO experience in this arena, and the relationship between you two right now is extremely brittle and unstable, with you not there to help in anything.

Get your house in order and secure, THEN go find others to join you.

My house is in order. 


Your house may well be in order but you certainly don't know when to admit that you have jumped to conclusions. I'm glad that you will "allow" yourself to deem my efforts honourable.

A) Being bisexual is hardly the same thing as actively looking for a sexual partner
 
I have no clue what this means and wonder how you find your female lovers. Do they just appear or is your "bisexuality" a theory? I assume at one time either you or you Dom have sought or found females for you to enjoy. Just because some woman has not the bravado you have in seeking such women, does not mean they should not have women.

Get your house in order and secure, THEN go find others to join you.
 
I don't know how to state this any clearer than I have. I am many days ride from my squaw (don't know why I just leapt into cowboy speak), and I DO NOT seek others to join "me." (why is this concept so foriegn to you?). I merely seek a warm body to caress my love whilst I am away.

I realize you think this is WRONG! You have stated that opine time and again in this post. You have consistently held that "we" should not seek a third even though proximity makes such a thing impossible for us. You think she should have no caresses UNTIL "our house is in order" (as your house must be such perfection-if it is, I'm THRILLED FOR YOU, truly I am!). Well not all of us are so blessed and often have problems with work that conflict with being together. You feel she should have no one to hold even though being held is what she desires.

I think you are wrong. I think she needs to be held and cherished. She is most certainly cherished by me, but I cannot hold her. I see no reason why another cannot (one who does not own a penis, please!). You feel the "mess" she is now will not be helped by the caresses of her own sex.

I think you are wrong.

Can we agree to disagree? Or is everything you say the gospel and when you jump to conclusions you do not apologize but simple state: "OK I'll go with the idea that your intentions are truly honorable?"

I see with you all are guilty until proven innocent. There is no way to prove such innocence so now I shall stop trying. There also seems no way to convince you that there is even the remotest possibility that you, in your perfect house, may just be mistaken in this instance. It may be entirely possible that finding a woman for my love might be just the ticket. I know you cannot fathom such a thing as you being wrong, but I know her better than you, and merely disagree.

Thank you for you thoughts now I must stop writing and go to those distance web pages you so selflessly found for me earlier. I am truly grateful for your time in giving us such information.

I truly am!




slve2MastersWill -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 11:56:13 AM)

One day perhaps (pass the viagra). Yet for now I wish merely to be that which she needs and loves. I fell in love with her before I knew she was submissive. I had never encountered such a wonder. I learned and am learning this lifestyle because I came to realize she needs it. It has been a long, arduous, frustrating, yet often enlightening quest which I would not give up for the world. I would be in love with her if she was "normal," but she is not.
 
 
 
hang in there Sir, as in everything it takes time to grow and blossom




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 12:03:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Talldrkgentleman
I have no clue what this means and wonder how you find your female lovers. Do they just appear or is your "bisexuality" a theory? I assume at one time either you or you Dom have sought or found females for you to enjoy. Just because some woman has not the bravado you have in seeking such women, does not mean they should not have women.

Put it this way- having a particular sexual orientation does not mean that a person is having sex or seeking sex with anyone else.  Many bisexuals are happily monogamous. 

Maybe you happen to think that all bisexuals are actively seeking other sexual partners, but that's certainly not reality.

I don't think a person should seek dragging others into their situation when they aren't secure in themselves and their current relationship.

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I am many days ride from my squaw (don't know why I just leapt into cowboy speak), and I DO NOT seek others to join "me." (why is this concept so foriegn to you?). I merely seek a warm body to caress my love whilst I am away.

If you don't think this other person won't be intrinsically involved in the relationship you have with your sub (even if you never meet her in person), then you really haven't a clue what you're getting into.

quote:

You feel she should have no one to hold even though being held is what she desires.

For heavens sakes, you're the dom here.  She should get something just because she wants it?  She should just e given what she wants even though perhaps it would be better IN THE LONG TERM for her to learn to rely on herself, to learn to be secure in your relationship, to learn to communicate directly?

No, you want the quick and immediate fix, ignoring the flooding in your own house and replacing a lightbulb.

quote:

Can we agree to disagree? Or is everything you say the gospel and when you jump to conclusions you do not apologize but simple state: "OK I'll go with the idea that your intentions are truly honorable?"

I see with you all are guilty until proven innocent. There is no way to prove such innocence so now I shall stop trying. There also seems no way to convince you that there is even the remotest possibility that you, in your perfect house, may just be mistaken in this instance. It may be entirely possible that finding a woman for my love might be just the ticket. I know you cannot fathom such a thing as you being wrong, but I know her better than you, and merely disagree.

Thank you for you thoughts now I must stop writing and go to those distance web pages you so selflessly found for me earlier. I am truly grateful for your time in giving us such information.

I truly am!

I could be wrong, but I doubt I am.  Read all the threads in the polyamory forum and then get back to me.




Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 12:09:25 PM)

<One day perhaps (pass the viagra). Yet for now I wish merely to be that which she needs and loves. I fell in love with her before I knew she was submissive. I had never encountered such a wonder. I learned and am learning this lifestyle because I came to realize she needs it. It has been a long, arduous, frustrating, yet often enlightening quest which I would not give up for the world. I would be in love with her if she was "normal," but she is not. 
  
hang in there Sir, as in everything it takes time to grow and blossom >

Thank you Slavegirl! (You do not need to call me "Sir," but I do find it rather adorable-I'll bet your man is truly blessed),

Yes, we commit ourselves to the tender mercies of that most stringent teacher: Time! We all must wait for it yet there alway seems so little to be had. Patience is the key to this D/s world and like snowflakes each of our adventures are one unto themselves. You only need look at this post to see how true that is, yet so many feel their own paths to be the only way.

Kind of like religion, ain't it?

Yet I have found that the truly wise realize that there are no rules only guidelines and am grateful to those who have shown me such guidelines. In the end, it is up to us in our love to find that which is right for us. I do wish more would realize this...

Like in medicine this D/s thing should be called a practice. We are human beings and being so makes us each entirely unique. What is right for one couple is almost never an absolute for another. It is always an improvisation and only commitment is solidified in stone (hopefully). No, there are no rules but I am thankful for the guidelines of others who have explored before us.




slve2MastersWill -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 12:12:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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You feel she should have no one to hold even though being held is what she desires.

For heavens sakes, you're the dom here.  She should get something just because she wants it?  She should just e given what she wants even though perhaps it would be better IN THE LONG TERM for her to learn to rely on herself, to learn to be secure in your relationship, to learn to communicate directly?

No, you want the quick and immediate fix, ignoring the flooding in your own house and replacing a lightbulb.



i don't think he wants the quick and immediate fix, He is afterall new to the lifestyle. He is trying to do what he thinks is right for his sub.. is that so wrong? Why can't their be a Master that is listening to his sub's needs and is trying to fullfill those? does it always have to be my way or the highway?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 12:16:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slve2MastersWill
i don't think he wants the quick and immediate fix, He is afterall new to the lifestyle. He is trying to do what he thinks is right for his sub.. is that so wrong? Why can't their be a Master that is listening to his sub's needs and is trying to fullfill those? does it always have to be my way or the highway?

There are short term needs/desires and long term needs.

She needs to learn discipline, security with/through him, and self-reliance.  This is what will make her strong and be able to maintain a long term relationship.

Again, I'm not against bringing another person into the relationship- I'm against them doing it NOW without establishing a very solid and clear foundation first.




slve2MastersWill -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 12:18:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: slve2MastersWill
i don't think he wants the quick and immediate fix, He is afterall new to the lifestyle. He is trying to do what he thinks is right for his sub.. is that so wrong? Why can't their be a Master that is listening to his sub's needs and is trying to fullfill those? does it always have to be my way or the highway?

There are short term needs/desires and long term needs.

She needs to learn discipline, security with/through him, and self-reliance.  This is what will make her strong and be able to maintain a long term relationship.

Again, I'm not against bringing another person into the relationship- I'm against them doing it NOW without establishing a very solid and clear foundation first.


Ahhh now i see your point... thank you .. life itself can be such a confusing thing




Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 12:39:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Talldrkgentleman
I have no clue what this means and wonder how you find your female lovers. Do they just appear or is your "bisexuality" a theory? I assume at one time either you or you Dom have sought or found females for you to enjoy. Just because some woman has not the bravado you have in seeking such women, does not mean they should not have women.

Put it this way- having a particular sexual orientation does not mean that a person is having sex or seeking sex with anyone else.  Many bisexuals are happily monogamous. 

Maybe you happen to think that all bisexuals are actively seeking other sexual partners, but that's certainly not reality.

I don't think a person should seek dragging others into their situation when they aren't secure in themselves and their current relationship.

quote:

I am many days ride from my squaw (don't know why I just leapt into cowboy speak), and I DO NOT seek others to join "me." (why is this concept so foriegn to you?). I merely seek a warm body to caress my love whilst I am away.

If you don't think this other person won't be intrinsically involved in the relationship you have with your sub (even if you never meet her in person), then you really haven't a clue what you're getting into.

quote:

You feel she should have no one to hold even though being held is what she desires.

For heavens sakes, you're the dom here.  She should get something just because she wants it?  She should just e given what she wants even though perhaps it would be better IN THE LONG TERM for her to learn to rely on herself, to learn to be secure in your relationship, to learn to communicate directly?

No, you want the quick and immediate fix, ignoring the flooding in your own house and replacing a lightbulb.

quote:

Can we agree to disagree? Or is everything you say the gospel and when you jump to conclusions you do not apologize but simple state: "OK I'll go with the idea that your intentions are truly honorable?"

I see with you all are guilty until proven innocent. There is no way to prove such innocence so now I shall stop trying. There also seems no way to convince you that there is even the remotest possibility that you, in your perfect house, may just be mistaken in this instance. It may be entirely possible that finding a woman for my love might be just the ticket. I know you cannot fathom such a thing as you being wrong, but I know her better than you, and merely disagree.

Thank you for you thoughts now I must stop writing and go to those distance web pages you so selflessly found for me earlier. I am truly grateful for your time in giving us such information.

I truly am!

I could be wrong, but I doubt I am.  Read all the threads in the polyamory forum and then get back to me.


OMG!

Jeez! Yes, I'm sure I could read your posts in many forums and find little evidence to find you admitting you are ever wrong.

Polyamory?

I am totally befuddled...

No wait! Ahhh...I see you are a philosophy major (a group known for never being wrong about anything and knowing they are consistently in the right).

Ooops! What have we here:

 I have a boyfriend currently long distance, two other solid  partners, and various other people I date/court. 
 
We seek different things you and I (and you and my love). You seek (date/court) many lovers. I assumed mistakenly that your "house" had a husband and a stable long-term and totally committed relationship. My apologies for not reading your profile.

Maybe you happen to think that all bisexuals are actively seeking other sexual partners, but that's certainly not reality.
 
No, I just don't think your lovers sprang from your head like Aphrodite sprang from Zeus. I think you actually went out and found them and you don't think my lover should do the same at this juncture. I am thrilled your house is in order, but we seek to find a house along more tradition boundries (marriage). Well 'traditional' might not be the word considering I am letting her a same sex lover.

Personally, I think my lover can just have some "fun" with another woman, and it seems to me a bit of fun might just do the trick.

You "highly" doubt it.

Ok.

I don't think a person should seek dragging others into their situation when they aren't secure in themselves and their current relationship.
 
When giving advice it is essential that you actually listen first, rather than just talk. If you actually go back and read my posts you will see that no one is being "dragged" into anything. She has wants and needs. Separating them is often difficult for me. I'm sure you have no problems in any of the things I find difficult. I'm sure your house is in order with your many, many lovers.

The question seems to be is her desiring to be with another woman at this time a want, a need, or both. I see it as both. You see it as a want that should not be offered.

I also see with you many lovers you deny yourself little (except marriage perhaps). Mmmm... Perhaps what is right for you may be right for others even though their houses are not so perfect. Perhaps a naked feminine body wrapped around my girl who misses my caresses might be just the thing.

If this is not the case, I will certainly know what to do. All will not be lost. Yet whose to say if we do not try?

You seem to try a great deal of things...a great deal (except marriage that is).

Why so many lovers? Just curious...





slve2MastersWill -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 1:00:02 PM)

WOW.. this is becoming a heated topic between two dominant people that seems to go no where.

All i know is that this lifestyle is different for all of us.. what i may believe in may not something someone else believes in. We all get involved in a relationship knowing what is involved but you can't say that my way or the highway is the only way.. a true D/s relationship in my eyes includes the sub/slaves opinion. now what the Dom in this relationship does with this opinion is really his choice.. W/w all made a choice in marriage or in a poly relationship.. and we all know that everything takes time and a process.. it just doesn't fall back into place.. to go back and forth and badgering each other why his. her believes are the one that are right.. is really beside the point. Disipline>>>> well there is a word.. i hate .... any relationship needs trust and communication first and formost... ground rules need to be set with the knowledge that any breaking of that rule will have consequences...

Talldrkgentleman Sir, i admire you for caring for your sub so deeply that you are willing to give her what she needs.. communicate more with her and set a level of ground rules at one point she will learn to trust you no matter where you are and the fear of being alone will be non existant.. and who wouldn't love some sweet carresses when a loved one is not home.. smiles




Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 1:03:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: slve2MastersWill
i don't think he wants the quick and immediate fix, He is afterall new to the lifestyle. He is trying to do what he thinks is right for his sub.. is that so wrong? Why can't their be a Master that is listening to his sub's needs and is trying to fullfill those? does it always have to be my way or the highway?

There are short term needs/desires and long term needs.

She needs to learn discipline, security with/through him, and self-reliance.  This is what will make her strong and be able to maintain a long term relationship.

Again, I'm not against bringing another person into the relationship- I'm against them doing it NOW without establishing a very solid and clear foundation first.


She needs to learn discipline, security with/through him, and self-reliance. 

This is most definately true. Just because she is a bit of a mess now that I'm gone (we have spoken often since I started this thread is now calm, lovely, and joyous again), does not mean our foundation is O so shakey. MY foundation is quite secure and our wish to be together forever is always in tact. I merely came here to find ideas with how to help her during my absence or until she joins me here again. This entire flame began with my exposing my efforts to find her a lover (many do not think men should do such a thing for a woman-I disagree).

Albatross thinks (well, actually seems to know) she is correct in assuming allowing my girl to have a female lover is wrong at this point. I don't like to deal with wrongs or rights (Isn't that why we all have to come to the Internet to have these converstations? Isn't that why we don't talk to our vanilla friends about these problems, because they will place "wrong and right" upon our actions). Yet Albatross does like to put a moral judgment upon others it seems (perhaps I am wrong...Ok I am wrong but I'm getting a tad riled here. That happens when you argue with philosophers).

I just think my girl has asked for a woman for a long, long, time. While we were together, I sought one out as I sought out other submissives for her to befriend (an NO it was not to provide me with a threesome! and no i never found a suitable candidate). I just think she should have other voices than mine in this exploration and read somewhere about the wisdom of "seeking ur own kind." Seemed sage advice and it took me a long time to make her see the light in that. When I left for my business trip I saw no reason not to continue to seek for her. Even when she became her temporary mess (as does happen often), I still did not feel the need to stop seeking.

that is all.

I am not Dom rush rush rush. We have been together a year (not a long time but long enough to know a few things can be safely explored).

At this point I will show her this thread (I needed to ask a few things before I showed her this), and will be most interested to hear her response to all of this. I'm alway interested in her response.




Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 1:14:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slve2MastersWill

WOW.. this is becoming a heated topic between two dominant people that seems to go no where.

All i know is that this lifestyle is different for all of us.. what i may believe in may not something someone else believes in. We all get involved in a relationship knowing what is involved but you can't say that my way or the highway is the only way.. a true D/s relationship in my eyes includes the sub/slaves opinion. now what the Dom in this relationship does with this opinion is really his choice.. W/w all made a choice in marriage or in a poly relationship.. and we all know that everything takes time and a process.. it just doesn't fall back into place.. to go back and forth and badgering each other why his. her believes are the one that are right.. is really beside the point. Disipline>>>> well there is a word.. i hate .... any relationship needs trust and communication first and formost... ground rules need to be set with the knowledge that any breaking of that rule will have consequences...

Talldrkgentleman Sir, i admire you for caring for your sub so deeply that you are willing to give her what she needs.. communicate more with her and set a level of ground rules at one point she will learn to trust you no matter where you are and the fear of being alone will be non existant.. and who wouldn't love some sweet carresses when a loved one is not home.. smiles


I pretty much totally agree. I can't see the problem with finding her a lover (there are so many who wish not to become too emotionally involved and wish merely a lovely time-my girl would be one of them). We have over the period of this thread set new rules and spoke often and she has found peace once again. It is an on going struggle this distance relationship horror and few are the couples who do not find distance an extreme challenge to their relationship. Distance makes the heart grow fonder (sometimes), makes relationships more difficult (always), and can sometimes be a good thing (rarely).

Our is a struggle many have in or out of the D/s world.

thanks for you words...




Talldrkgentleman -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 1:25:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

http://www.collarchat.com/m_555442/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#555476
How do you cope?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_399208/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#399230
Long distance relationships...how do you all make them work and overcome the obstacles that arise?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_358232/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#358330
When the Master is away

http://www.collarchat.com/m_243191/mpage_2/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#243396
Online or Distance relationships

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5502/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#207957
Long Distance Relationships

http://www.collarchat.com/m_214831/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#214831
Long distance d/s

http://www.collarchat.com/m_210165/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#210165
Pleasing my master long distance

http://www.collarchat.com/m_131170/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#131170
In Between Visits

http://www.collarchat.com/m_124826/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#124826
LDR and sickness or death

http://www.collarchat.com/m_89834/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#89834
Long distance punishment ideas

http://www.collarchat.com/m_22973/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#22973
Long Distance Relationship (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5502/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#5502
Long Distance Relationships (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3521/mpage_1/key_long%252Cdistance/tm.htm#3521
Long Distance

http://www.collarchat.com/m_272610/mpage_1/key_LDR/tm.htm#272610
LDR D/s ideas

http://www.collarchat.com/m_108560/mpage_1/key_LDR/tm.htm#108560
Long Distance Relationships????


Again, thank for all these links. This musthave taken you awhile to find these. That was extraordinarily kind of you.




MstrssPassion -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 1:35:33 PM)

LA mentioned ulterior motive... I spoke of the fact that she is dealing with so many damn issues of insecurity adding another into the mix is only going to be worse.  

You wrote that you came close to "helping" her explore her sexuality & she swatted you with yet more insecurity...  
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Yet eventually I succumbed because I finally thought of a plan that seemed original and beautiful. I thought "what if I can just teach them both to please each other." It took me months to find a suitable candidate (I'm sure there are a great deal of people here who know of that problem), yet finally I found the perfect girl for us. Of course, in her ever unpredictable way, she accused me of wanting only a threesome and that she wasn't enough for me.

there is a keyword here... you succumbed. I also see all of these "yet finally" wordings... you have exasperated yourself to the point that you aren't getting anything out of this expect feelings of failure in trying to please her.Who is the one in control of what is taking place?

It is still easy to see that you guys are really going WAY out on a limb & are falling way Short of having what it takes to have a successful, thriving relationship based on a D/s foundation.
--She needs you holding her hand & you're 3000 miles away.
--She is insecure because of petty jealousy. 
--Disrespectful of your authority because she knows she can throw a fit & get her way.
--Confused about what she wants because it appears she goes along with things & when it becomes a reality she freaks out.
--Inconsistent, flip-flopping, roller coaster ride of emotions

Should I go on?

Honestly, you really seem like a great guy. You have spent a lot of time & energy just here on these boards. I can tell from this alone that you have spent many more hours contemplating this on your own or maybe confiding in trusted friends.

I stand by what I said... it is easy to see & no imagination is needed to realize that you guys are the proverbial square peg/round hole. One of you is going to have to undergo a major remodel in order to fit. (& that my friend will open a whole new can of worms)

Rarely does it work out for all involved when someone has to change who they are in order to make another person happy. Like you said... you travel, your job requires it & this woman simply can't thrive in a relationship where you are on the go & you are not in a place in life where you can make a radical career change in order to stay put. This alone is enough to make people really consider not moving forward in a relationship... not to mention all of the other negative stuff you have mentioned in this thread.

You say you want to make this work. Is it really in best interest  of both of you to make this work? Some people stay in a relationships out of a sense of obligation. Sometimes they are so worried about hurting someone they fail to see that staying with them actually hurts them more.

What you need to do is sit down on your own & evaluate what it is you want to achieve on your own. That gold ring on a Carousel. Once you have a clear vision of what it is that you want, then build upon that as to how a life partner (not her specifically--just a partner) would benefit it. Once you have a vision of that then factor in what this woman brings to the table.

I would have her do the same type of evaluation but before you have her do that do yours & see how the math comes out.

I started doing something very similar as this a long time ago. I often tested my computations & explored relationships that really didn't add up... these failed & hurt feelings resulted. I finally resolved myself to stick to my goals & vision. I spent quite a few years being single but it all paid off, I finally have a partner that compliments me, my life & doesn't detract from my available energy that is needed to maintain positive growth... of grabbing hold of that gold ring.

You say you're going to have her read this thread... do you think she is ready to face what everyone has been saying? There have been so not so pretty things said about how both of you have been.

All we are is a bunch of strangers with nothing more than our own life experience & a few of your words to go on... many of us have been reading from & writing on various boards & discussion groups since the internet became easily accessible. There are even a few of us on here that have been doing this in live groups since before the internet became as common as color TV sets. We are often able to use the experience we have gained from the multitude of scenarios we have seen spelled out or witnessed. Maybe we come across as cold & unfeeling but really this isn't the case (well maybe a few posters are cold-hearted bastards at times LOL) many of us really hope that our words will help out.




BitaTruble -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 3:23:15 PM)

This is quite a thread. I think, in the quest for a security blanket for your lady, that you have forgotten what happens when that security blanket is no longer needed. Generally, it's tucked into a corner somewhere to collect dust. Unfortunatly, the security blanket your lady desires is another woman. Once you are able to make your life together on a more permanent basis, what is to become of this other woman? It seems to be a temp fix that on the surface might, indeed, bring some calmness to the chaos you are experiencing right now but the long term needs to be attended to as well. Plans need to be made for the future, who those plans will include and what the long term goals are going to be for a strong and healthy relationship are questions you both must ask.. and answer and once you find a lady for your lady, she needs to be included in the communication because it's her future as well.

Consistant action, letting your words always be true .. these things will, eventually, help her achieve a sense of security regarding your relationship. It can't be rushed. You are only talking about 120 days here until you can reunite. Tomorrow it will only be 119 days. Surely, such may be a hardship, but it's not impossible to endure. Have you considered a daily ritual that she can begin? Something you wish for her to do which she would not otherwise seek to do without your leave? I know when Himself has to go on business trips and he can't take me, I have tasks which help to strengthen me while he's away. (Meditation, tai chi is great, journal or diary, writing fictional stories or video taping for you to view at a later date.. things of that nature) I would rather he didn't have to travel, but life dictates he does, so we deal with those times and by having routines/rituals in place, one of which he approves, I am able to get through the days and nights on my own without going too loopy because of it. (Aside from my normal loopy menopausal state that is. ::chuckles::)

I am a bit concerned by your statement that you are new to this and learning and embracing dominance because of her submissive needs. Is this not something which comes naturally to you? If you are doing things just for her, I would only suggest you proceed with extreme caution. Also, you have said a few times that threesomes go against your core nature yet you are bringing up a scenario which directly contradicts that core nature. Sometimes the best thing you can do for your lady who is also a submissive is to say 'no' to a 'want', because Sir, her desire for another woman is a 'want' not a need. She won't expire if she doesn't get hugged for 3 or 4 months even if she is going to feel like that's so.

It's so easy to submit when it's something we desire anyway. In case someone's failed to bring this to your attention, D/s is not the easiest way to live life.

For your submissive, it's not about 'getting' from you.. it's about giving 'to' you. That's what makes it submission. Sometimes we have to struggle .. such struggles can deepen our submission. This, of course, does not hold true for everyone, but it's true for the vast majority of submissives. The 'easy' is a piece of cake, and just because it's easy doesn't mean that it's any less submissive as far as actions go .. but, perhaps, well at least for me, the easy parts don't help me grow as much .. neither as a woman nor a submissive. It's the tough stuff, the stuff that makes you cry and sweat that tastes the sweetest because you've gotten through it, gone past it, grown from it and it makes you cherish it all the more. Similar to the difference between being given something and having to work for it. Getting is great.. earning.. ah, so much better and holds so much more value for most of us.

Anyway, such a choice is, of course, your own. Finding a lady for your lady .. well, I think a stranger reading the totality of your words regarding the issue may see something from an objective viewpoint simply because there is no emotional investment, so try not to be too hard on those of us who view it as potentially harmful to what appears to be a relationship with great aspirations for the future.

Your lady wants you to have the authority, to be the one in charge. Simple enough in theory and only needs practical application to make it work. That's your job. If you want to 'be' the Master.. you have to BE the Master.

This is too long, but one last thing... if I were you, I would read Crappy's post again, print it out and tape it to my computer. ;) In addition to having your lady do some rituals, you doing some as well isn't going to hurt.

Best of luck and I wish you many bright blessings on your relationship.

Celeste





takemeinhand2 -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 4:29:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

LA mentioned ulterior motive... I spoke of the fact that she is dealing with so many damn issues of insecurity adding another into the mix is only going to be worse.  

You wrote that you came close to "helping" her explore her sexuality & she swatted you with yet more insecurity...  
quote:

Yet eventually I succumbed because I finally thought of a plan that seemed original and beautiful. I thought "what if I can just teach them both to please each other." It took me months to find a suitable candidate (I'm sure there are a great deal of people here who know of that problem), yet finally I found the perfect girl for us. Of course, in her ever unpredictable way, she accused me of wanting only a threesome and that she wasn't enough for me.

there is a keyword here... you succumbed. I also see all of these "yet finally" wordings... you have exasperated yourself to the point that you aren't getting anything out of this expect feelings of failure in trying to please her.Who is the one in control of what is taking place?

It is still easy to see that you guys are really going WAY out on a limb & are falling way Short of having what it takes to have a successful, thriving relationship based on a D/s foundation.
--She needs you holding her hand & you're 3000 miles away.
--She is insecure because of petty jealousy. 
--Disrespectful of your authority because she knows she can throw a fit & get her way.
--Confused about what she wants because it appears she goes along with things & when it becomes a reality she freaks out.
--Inconsistent, flip-flopping, roller coaster ride of emotions

Should I go on?

Honestly, you really seem like a great guy. You have spent a lot of time & energy just here on these boards. I can tell from this alone that you have spent many more hours contemplating this on your own or maybe confiding in trusted friends.

I stand by what I said... it is easy to see & no imagination is needed to realize that you guys are the proverbial square peg/round hole. One of you is going to have to undergo a major remodel in order to fit. (& that my friend will open a whole new can of worms)

Rarely does it work out for all involved when someone has to change who they are in order to make another person happy. Like you said... you travel, your job requires it & this woman simply can't thrive in a relationship where you are on the go & you are not in a place in life where you can make a radical career change in order to stay put. This alone is enough to make people really consider not moving forward in a relationship... not to mention all of the other negative stuff you have mentioned in this thread.

You say you want to make this work. Is it really in best interest  of both of you to make this work? Some people stay in a relationships out of a sense of obligation. Sometimes they are so worried about hurting someone they fail to see that staying with them actually hurts them more.

What you need to do is sit down on your own & evaluate what it is you want to achieve on your own. That gold ring on a Carousel. Once you have a clear vision of what it is that you want, then build upon that as to how a life partner (not her specifically--just a partner) would benefit it. Once you have a vision of that then factor in what this woman brings to the table.

I would have her do the same type of evaluation but before you have her do that do yours & see how the math comes out.

I started doing something very similar as this a long time ago. I often tested my computations & explored relationships that really didn't add up... these failed & hurt feelings resulted. I finally resolved myself to stick to my goals & vision. I spent quite a few years being single but it all paid off, I finally have a partner that compliments me, my life & doesn't detract from my available energy that is needed to maintain positive growth... of grabbing hold of that gold ring.

You say you're going to have her read this thread... do you think she is ready to face what everyone has been saying? There have been so not so pretty things said about how both of you have been.

All we are is a bunch of strangers with nothing more than our own life experience & a few of your words to go on... many of us have been reading from & writing on various boards & discussion groups since the internet became easily accessible. There are even a few of us on here that have been doing this in live groups since before the internet became as common as color TV sets. We are often able to use the experience we have gained from the multitude of scenarios we have seen spelled out or witnessed. Maybe we come across as cold & unfeeling but really this isn't the case (well maybe a few posters are cold-hearted bastards at times LOL) many of us really hope that our words will help out.



Well damn if this ain't anything but fascinating!

All these things you all say about our relationship are quite true (except the me desiring to make a threesom happen whilst I am on another coast). Yet it seems you are eager to jump at your "round hole, square peg" theory quite readily and easily. It seems many here feel because they write on these boards so often (I have been cruising around and notice LA post thousands of times-has she no life but here?) that the advice they give is absolute and perfection itself.

I am a completely imperfect man and do not understand such things.

there is a keyword here... you succumbed. I also see all of these "yet finally" wordings... you have exasperated yourself to the point that you aren't getting anything out of this expect feelings of failure in trying to please her.Who is the one in control of what is taking place?
 
Do you think Doms are born or are made? I believe we are naturally dominant but little in my teachings from friends, parents, lovers, or the media could have prepared me for one such as I now love. I was fortunate to have a friend who when I told her of this girl casually replied, "Oh yes...I'm my husbands slut/bitch/whore."

?????

This is not my everyday conversation with the friends of my past; this was something entirely new and entirely confusing. Looooong hours have been spent trying to understand not only her but if such a thing was truly right for me; many looooooong hours.

Have I succumbed when I should have been strong? YOU BET!
Have I been exasperated from all the hoops she has put me through?  TOO MANY TIMES TO COUNT!
Have I had failure and the feeling I will never get what I want out of this relationship? OH YES!
Have I made mistake after mistake after mistake? OWN THAT!
Have her needs and wants often controlled me? MANY MANY TIMES!
Was I a square hole to her round peg? WE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE DIFFERENT!

So there I was, in love with a woman in whom I had no answers and did not even know the questions to ask. There she was with a man who she loved and she did not know the answers nor the questions to ask. Our love was and is our foundation; all else has been achieved through some amazingly difficult and wonderous months together.

I stand by what I said... it is easy to see & no imagination is needed to realize that you guys are the proverbial square peg/round hole. One of you is going to have to undergo a major remodel in order to fit. (& that my friend will open a whole new can of worms)
 
Well let's talk about that can of worms because I have been opening it now for almost a year. We have changed for what we believe to be the greater good for both of us. I spent forever and a day finding out about her and those like her. Many times I have wondered if I have what it takes to control, guide, teach, and free here from the bondage that has held her back for so long: the bondage of the vanilla.

We have come so very far in such a short time and as we have journeyed so my peg becomes rounder and hers becomes squarer. We grow towards that which we feel we must become to be with one another. I have been in many relationships yet have always considered myself a loner. Alway in time did I wish to be elsewhere at times during these relationships. I was married for 16 years and often felt so. I figured it was just the way I am, and I must live with it; I was a loner and needed my "own" time and lots of it.

Then I met her...

Together we have spent our months changing our pegs to fit one another (O yes, this is indeed a can of worms!). As we draw closer to our fit, we draw closer to the most profound intimacy either one of us has ever known yet have always dreamed.

I do not now need "alone" time like I once did. Now I need her by my side...always.

A dominant nature may be inherent, but Domming is learned. Now I learn. I have made and will make many mistakes; it is the nature of learning.

You say you're going to have her read this thread... do you think she is ready to face what everyone has been saying?
 
One thing I have learned is that secrets are contrary to this kind of relationship (unless it is for surprises). Yes, she will read all these thoughts. I have nothing to fear by advice from others and she will have nothing to fear from reading it. We will read, we will discuss, and we will continue on whether or not people here think our pegs are shaped equally.

thank you for your thoughts




slve2MastersWill -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 4:39:47 PM)

I love this thread .. with each new response i have something new to think about and see where it applies to my life..

Thanks everyone




heartfeltsub -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 5:49:53 PM)

It is interesting how the talldrkgentleman has turned into a female submissive takemeinhand2 in the course of this thread. Very interesting indeed. Can anyone else say oops?

editted for spelling




Owned1 -> RE: She's far away...any suggestions? (9/7/2006 5:51:29 PM)

I wonder why come ask a question then argue with those who answer?

Owned




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