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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I also think caitlyn is arguing very logically.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Just to take my little spanner, wrench to you lot, out of the tool box, I always thought WMD meant improved rocket/weaponry to use to attack ISRAEL. Thats my take on what was meant. Not attack the West.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I am sorry that you are offended, It is not my intent, but this is not an apology either.

 

I am all for exploring options, but not accustomed to unwarrented disbelief as a euphemistic argument  forwarded as equivalent truth.

 

The jews were never in the holocaust, they were at a deli on 42nd street in new york, know why?  Because nobody here on this thread was there, and can't possibly take the word of a few million people and photographic records and avidavits as statements of fact........shit, Nuremberg was a wag the dog movie.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I remember Blair saying that the missiles could be LAUNCHED in 45 mins. The target that materialised was Cyprus, but as I say I read it as Israel.

Also I remember the "Big Gun" that Saddam tried to build as a threat to.... Israel ?, he, Saddam, was encouraged by one half of the Brit. Intelligence so as to find out what he was up to, while other departments in the Brit. government came very close to prosecuting the top executives in the firm that had contracts,. negotiated in the full knowledge of the secret services, with Saddam.

What a fiasco that was! Stiff upper lip chaps! Lets bowl a few googlies !

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

How is it that even a thread about the fat and the ugly turns into a debate on Iraq?  We can not have one decent discussion in this forum without someone bashing Bush or Iraq.  It is rather disturbing.  Come on... Lighten up.

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Since my ex is smarter than I and the majority of women I have been with have gone on to significant careers, my standards for intelligence is pretty high.

I call people stupid more often becuase of a lack of depth than a lack of inate intellectual abilities.  I call people idiots who whined and sniveled over a consensual relationship between adults which broke no law but strive to defend predatory child molesters and their protectors.  I call people idiots who have supported position after position over Iraq that have all ended up in the dustbin of history all while calling people like myself traitors for making the predictions of how would and as events have shown us did turn out.

I call people stupid who think that evolution is a controversial subject to scientists or that the fact that 1/3 of the ice on the planet has melted doesn't indicate climate change.

And they are for the most part stupid because I did date the brightest girl in class and always have.

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Oh YES! I often find it very difficult to have an intellectual arguement with a person ( often female ) who is emotionally close to me ( sometimes not even close ). They seem to equate a difference of opinion as a total judgement on them. I can vigorously argue with others and both of us take no offence or emotional distress. I can love someone, respect them in all ways, and still disagree and challenge them on certain things. But usually it does not reflect any judgement on them as a person I like. I hate it when a woman might actually say that I think she is stupid, just because we are debating on opposite sides. It makes it hard to discuss things. A very dull silence can happen and carry on for a long time. I just avoid bringing up things. This forces me to go elsewhere for mental stimulation. That is sad and frustrating.

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My assessment of someone being stupid has nothing to do with their level of agreement or disagreement with me.  I WISH it were that easy, I'd be able to ignore a lot of people I dislike and disagree with :)

Females unfortunately have a much higher tendency to equate agreement with liking and disagreement with disliking and that can cause a lot of strife in the communication process.

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

CrappyDom had one of the most compelling arguments against our actions in Iraq, when he pointed out that Saddam represented one of our strongest bufferes to Islamic fundamentalists in the region. A good bit of the rest is speculation, and 'facts' spun to mean whatever you want them to mean, in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Since when has the American Government cared about Islamic fundamentalism? It is not an issue.

Syria is a country where Christians enjoy religious freedom and in Saudi they do not. So, who does the US choose as an ally?

You forgot to call my opinion stupid, call me stupid, tell me to educate myself, or compare my opinion to mass murder. This level of politeness will not be tolerated.  

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Since when has the American Government cared about Islamic fundamentalism? It is not an issue.

Syria is a country where Christians enjoy religious freedom and in Saudi they do not. So, who does the US choose as an ally?

You forgot to call my opinion stupid, call me stupid, tell me to educate myself, or compare my opinion to mass murder.
 
Someone mentioned the magic words 20 and cute so I've toned the language down a touch in case I ever make it to Texas. A long shot I know but without optimism we're nothing.
 
 This level of politeness will not be tolerated.  
 
Is that you, President Bush? Next you'll be tapping my phone.......oh, you already have.....never mind.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
I think to dispute the fact that Bush never gave WMD's as a reason for invading Iraq is not so much being an apologist but not living on the same planet as the rest of us.
 
If you think WMD's might have been found and Bush isn't telling us for some reason, you must really think he is thicker than he appears or that he is really really really smart and we will all find out when all the insurgents runaway.