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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 10:25:45 AM

MisPandora

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I am also curious if there are dominants who do this, what the practical uses are. For example, what exactly are you hypnotizing for? Is it specific to a particular act? How often do you do it?

Relaxation pre or post session.
Bedtime ritual.
Self-hypno "connect with slave self" ritual.
Just for fun and amusement (mentally gluing hand to his cock, removing a word from his memory, planting triggers for masturbation)

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 10:28:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

I am also curious if there are dominants who do this, what the practical uses are. For example, what exactly are you hypnotizing for? Is it specific to a particular act? How often do you do it?

Everybody has their own lines, and it is important to be aware of your lines and a potential partner's lines in order to have a productive relationship.
I seldom use hypnosis, although it is often requested. It gets trickier when the purpose is to enforce better behavior. The recipient of the suggestion has to be aware and make the consious decision that this is a good thing and this is what s/he wants. Hypnosis just makes it a bit easier and is a more relaxed and positive way to achieve the desired results more quickly. Some examples would be time management or reducing reactions to situations that seem to stressful for the individual but are truly not any more than the normal daily stressors. It is difficult to give specific examples. It is often a personality thing, or an self-improvement thing. I may say I want to quit smoking, but if I am really not sure, every suggestion in the book is not going to make Me lay down that pack of cigarettes. On the other hand, if I really want to quit, but I do not have the wherewithal to make the leap on My own, a few hypnosis sessions can help Me make that leap and the leap will be less painful.
It is true that no one can make someone do something they wouldn't ordinarily do, just because they have been given a hynotic or post hypnotic suggestion. In addition, the subjects still have a conscious awareness. This is a common misconception. People are not deeply entranced with an inability to stop the session any time it becomes uncomfortable.
I learned under the hands of professionals and underwent hypnosis Myself, both regression and regular behavior modification. I think it is important to experience something like this youself, as it is a powerful tool that can be misused.
I constantly reinforce that the subject is safe, for example. And, ethically (since this is coming up alot!), I do make sure that the subject is aware of what is going to be investigated on a sub-conscious level. I would never, ever do this without ensuring that the subject had the ability to stop the session. A subject needs to be aware of the behaviors that need to be modified, agree to the need for modification, and then work in tandem with the hypnotist to achieve the goal over a period of time.
NLP - neuro linguistic programming - is another effective way to communicate. There is always body language and sub text in any interaction. It is a way to see how people's words don't necessarily mean what they are trying to convey. Often they really believe their own words and do not even realize they are giving off a completley different signal. Communication is an art. It is much more than words being tossed back and forth.
Hypnosis and/or NLP is simply a way to reach and affect the sub-conscious and make that work in a positive way for those involved.
To the Ranger - Now another book I should read! *Smile*
And you've used this effectively on Dommes, eh?

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 10:32:34 AM

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I like the fantasy of brainwashing but like hypnosis I think would only work with a slave wanting to consent to it. You could probably condition a slave over time to think the way you want him to. What I would be afraid of is...Wouldn’t brainwashing make him dependent and expend a lot of energy just keeping him dependent on you?

With isolation and establishing dependence on you I am sure brainwashing is possible but in the end is it desirable?

I have never been brainwash so I couldn’t say but it sounds like it may enslave the Domme also

you are correct I use hypnosis all the time and the only changes that you can make in the submissives mind are the ones they allow you to... you see ALL hypnosis is basically self hypnosis... they still control the session by allowing you continue... they have to relinqish thier mind to you...now it will lossen any inhibitions they may have *evil grin*

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 10:41:23 AM

EbonyFtshGoddess

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ORIGINAL: mantis65

I like the fantasy of brainwashing but like hypnosis I think would only work with a slave wanting to consent to it. You could probably condition a slave over time to think the way you want him to. What I would be afraid of is...Wouldn’t brainwashing make him dependent and expend a lot of energy just keeping him dependent on you?

With isolation and establishing dependence on you I am sure brainwashing is possible but in the end is it desirable?

I have never been brainwash so I couldn’t say but it sounds like it may enslave the Domme also

in a way you're right, mental reprogramming does take a lot of effort, but for me the effort is worth the end result. they don't become mindless robots, however it is an excellent way to achieve results you want them to manifest. like bad habit breaking, curbing a cocky streak, turning their main focus nearly entirely upon me, or pretty much anything else.

personally i don't mind having my slaves dependent upon me. but then again, i'm into total lifestyle/micromanagement. i understand this isn't for everyone but it is how i operate. no one is holding a gun to their heads for them to serve me nor am i brainwashing them into serving me. they come to me of their own free will and it makes our connection deeper and it affords us a level of connection that may not be possible without such stringent scrutiny.

it does take a lot of effort, but i don't mind it at all. i love knowing my slaves are dependent upon me for most if not all decisions in their lives. they don't have to call me when they need to go pee or poop for instance, but it is noted in their daily journals how often they use the bathroom. i know what they eat because i make their grocery lists and meal plans. i know how much money they spend because they're all on allowance and keep receipts for every purchase. i know what they wear each day because i go shopping with them so i know what clothing they have. i control pretty much every aspect of their lives. it just reinforces their station in life, their loyalty to me, and every action they perform they know will be scrutinized by me.

mental reprogramming is merely one additional tool in my repetoire.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 11:43:49 AM

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And before anyone says anything, the whole idea scares me, but so do needles, knives, and roving bands of armed squirrels.

I love needles...I love knives...and I am looking out my window right now and lo and behold what do I see??

MisPandora and GoddessDustyGold, thank you for your insight. I can certainly see the relaxation aspects of it but the play/fun...wow that does sound like fun.

I'm really loving this thread btw...nice, productive learning experience. Thanks all

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 11:53:13 AM

LotusSong

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May I ask WHY you feel a slave would NEED to be brainwashed?

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 11:58:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
And before anyone says anything, the whole idea scares me, but so do needles, knives, and roving bands of armed squirrels.

Squirrels don't need any more armament. There are three of them currently taking advantage of my house and my person, and their natural weapons are quite sufficient. I'm really looking forward to the 12 week mark and a happy release back into the wild. And finally not having squirrel claw tracks all over me. It's impossible to keep the buggers from leaping merrily through the air upon me to burrow in my hair and get inside my shirt when I do feeding and cage maintenance. I think they are related to alien face-huggers as that seems to be their favorite first target.

Fear the squirrels.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 12:04:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

May I ask WHY you feel a slave would NEED to be brainwashed?

What does need have to do with it? She said she wanted to find out more about it, not that she NEEDED to do it.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 12:06:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Squirrels don't need any more armament. There are three of them currently taking advantage of my house and my person, and their natural weapons are quite sufficient. I'm really looking forward to the 12 week mark and a happy release back into the wild. And finally not having squirrel claw tracks all over me. It's impossible to keep the buggers from leaping merrily through the air upon me to burrow in my hair and get inside my shirt when I do feeding and cage maintenance. I think they are related to alien face-huggers as that seems to be their favorite first target.

Fear the squirrels.

Apparently, I'm not being taken seriously.

I am seriously quite worried about being attacked by rotten fish-wielding squirrels.

Yours,

benji

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 12:10:18 PM

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could you use hypnosis or ilke regular repeatc onditioning meditations to teach someone who never does to say like brush their teeth twice a day? Or other mundain tasks they never did or learned like saying you will keep yur room picked up a ton of times on tape and having them listen to it?

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 12:15:02 PM

MsKatHouston

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could you use hypnosis to convince a sub to obtain weapons for the USA? (United Squirrel Army)

ok...back to our regularly scheduled programming...sorry ;)

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 12:21:23 PM

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If anybody gives my rehab squirrels rotten fish to wield, or threatens to give them any other weapons, I will be forced to undertake very stern disciplinary measures. Offenders will be coated with almond butter, sprinkled with sunflower seeds and tied down in the squirrel cage.

You know, this *has* to be *someone's* erotic fantasy.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 12:23:25 PM

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Yup. What time is good for you?

Yours,

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 2:26:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

May I ask WHY you feel a slave would NEED to be brainwashed?

What does need have to do with it? She said she wanted to find out more about it, not that she NEEDED to do it.

~stef

That's what I'm trying to find out. (Also, I didn't ask why SHE "needed" it.. I asked why she felt a slave would need it.)

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 3:16:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

some people think pissing on a slave is crossing the line. some think shitting on a slave is crossing the line.. some feel face slapping is crossing the line. some feel abandonment or caging is crossing the line or bruises cross the line or blood crosses the line.

then you have people that enjoy doing these things or having it done to them. as long as something is consensual, between to adults, legal.. where does that line exist?

your line may not be my line or the next person's line. the line for one may not be the line for all. dogma and stigma in this lifestyle isn't productive. maybe it crosses your line, but you can't say it crosses the line, because who draws that line other than the two people engaging in that activity?

You can wash shit and piss off..you can see the result of a face slapping , but how do you know the effects one has on the brain? This is where the caution should be.

You can feel the slave's hands in bondage to test for coolness. you can see the redness or welts resulting from a flogging.. If you traumatize the mind.. you will never know.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 3:41:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressUses
I am interested in hearing from Mistresses that have used different methods of BRAINWASHING to control their slave. I would like to find out more about it. Thanks.

(I have no idea why there is a vanilla cone next to my post!!!)

It's really messy and you get this grey matter all over the place...A good strainer helps, but you always loose some down the drain...

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 6:53:12 PM

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Thank you for your responses...all very intelligent. I would enjoy chatting with you more, if you don't mind. I have a new slave and am thinking about new techniques. "Brainwashing" may not have been the best word to use.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 6:55:13 PM

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I am not sure WHAT I feel about brainwashing...I was getting other Mistresses thoughts on it.

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 6:58:23 PM

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Interesting...

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RE: Is there a Mistress that can answer this? - 10/4/2006 7:02:06 PM

EbonyFtshGoddess

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You can wash shit and piss off..you can see the result of a face slapping , but how do you know the effects one has on the brain? This is where the caution should be.

You can feel the slave's hands in bondage to test for coolness. you can see the redness or welts resulting from a flogging.. If you traumatize the mind.. you will never know.

i play by my own rules and said rules CLEAR and evident.

i'm not at a want for subs.

don't worry about their brains.. that's up to me. and who says they're traumatized?

traumatized according to WHOM?

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