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AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/3/2006 9:40:44 PM   
knees2you


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Is this necessarly a Bad Thing?
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061004/ap_on_re_us/awol_soldier

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 12:59:39 AM   
sweetnurseBBW


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Status: offline 		As an ex military wife I can understand his reasonings but there are legal ways of doing it other than going AWOL.  He could have handled it the legal way.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 1:15:13 AM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		He'd already served one tour in Iraq and they were goingto send him back?
That tells me that the Army is short of soldiers.
During Vietnam all you had to do was one 13 month tour.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 2:00:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		We also had the draft during Vietnam, was given a lot less training and had a much larger Armed Forces.  Was a whole bunch easier to replace a solder back then. 

The Military is a whole different world now.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 2:20:16 AM   
sweetnurseBBW


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Status: offline 		There is a huge shortage and soldiers are spending 3 years over there. Not good. Doesn't do a whole lot for their morale.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 5:13:01 AM   
Iskander


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Status: offline 		What happened to executing deserters? Have we gone soft?

"you went AWOL coz you don't want to fight, so to punish you we're going to kick you out of the army"...
Makes sense to me...

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 5:54:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The posts above you explain the fundamentals of the political expedience of not executing deserters and leaving them at the AWOL level.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 6:21:05 AM   
Iskander


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Status: offline 		Oh, I know the reasoning..
I really don't want to see people being killed for standing up for what they believe in...
Even less do I want to see people killed for what they don't believe in...

Still, I think if you sign up for the army, you should know what you get into, take responsiblility for your own actions and follow them to the end..

Seriousness aside, my initial mental image when i read the topic was some soldier doggypaddling in a vat of KY lube.. :)
My second line was amusing in a BDSM context where it is frowned on subs who act up to get the spanking they want... :)

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:19:22 AM   
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What happened to executing deserters? Have we gone soft?

"you went AWOL coz you don't want to fight, so to punish you we're going to kick you out of the army"...
Makes sense to me...

Iskander...

 
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Oh, I know the reasoning..
I really don't want to see people being killed for standing up for what they believe in...
Even less do I want to see people killed for what they don't believe in...

Still, I think if you sign up for the army, you should know what you get into, take responsiblility for your own actions and follow them to the end..

Seriousness aside, my initial mental image when i read the topic was some soldier doggypaddling in a vat of KY lube.. :)
My second line was amusing in a BDSM context where it is frowned on subs who act up to get the spanking they want... :)

Iskander...

 
I have to say,
we went in there for Oil,? Chemical weapons?
 
No other Country bothered Sadam.
Not because they where affraid persay
but because they had their own problems!!!
 
Yes He should have done it Legally.
 
But if his mind was not right, then don't
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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:36:40 AM   
Iskander


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ORIGINAL: knees2you
But if his mind was not right, then don't
send Him...


Yeah I had this thought myself...
Sad thing is is that armies these days are lowering their standards because they can't get 'good' people...
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing...

Someone once remarked to Wellington 'These troops are scum'
To which he replied, 'Yes, but they are my scum'...

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:48:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: knees2you

But if his mind was not right, then don't
send Him...
 
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Spend a few years over there and see how "right" you are. These people have to go through pysch visits when they come back because of what happens over there. Unless you have directly been involved in the military you have no idea what goes on and how wives and children of these soldiers see them when they come home. Joining the military doesn't mean walking around and looking cute in a uniform it means doing what they train you too. Which does mean weapons and killing of people.  I saw my husbands personality change after Somalia, Bosnia and various other deployments. Divorce and domestic violence are the highest in military families. Its not because they aren't right its because of what they had to do and the civilian world puts them down for doing it.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:51:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iskander

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ORIGINAL: knees2you
But if his mind was not right, then don't
send Him...


Yeah I had this thought myself...
Sad thing is is that armies these days are lowering their standards because they can't get 'good' people...
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing...

Someone once remarked to Wellington 'These troops are scum'
To which he replied, 'Yes, but they are my scum'...

Iskander...






Not that I have any proof to the contrary.....but do you have any proof to prove that statement?

Have you, yourself been involved in the military?


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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 8:53:58 AM   
Iskander


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And yes I have...

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:00:42 AM   
Aine


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Status: offline 		Ick...it's morning to me and I've only had two sips of my coffee...

Ok, so you've served in the military.  But only one section of it.  Generally, that's what most people do.  They are limited to a smaller portion of the American armed forces (no matter what branch). So how can any of us say other than as strictly opinion that as a whole, they have lowered their standards?

To me, seeing as they had the draft, as said above and a whole lot LESS training than what I understand is the training today...and I'm sure the methods themselves of the monitoring of the people in training have changed as well over the decades...I personally think that with the evidence presented to me, that when we had the draft in effect, that the standards were less then than they are now.

They don't necessarily have to be more or less selective because less people are signing up every year as in the past.

But since we aren't drafting every tom, dick and harry from anywhere we can get them.....I would say we are being more selective than in the past and that the standards were probably lower back during the draft.


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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:12:01 AM   
mnottertail


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Having done some recruiting in my past, I can tell you that given a decent economy, the number of Rhodes scholars in the armed forces drops precipitously...

There are a goodly number of people with limited education, ability, means and futures that look to the military as a last resort, as well as everyday people who joined up for making ends meet and got caught and actually had to go shoot it out. 

*****NB: There are also a number of people who are of exemplary everything that are in the military as well.   I know some will take umbrage where no slight was intended and I wish to forestall that, because some of them folk could be regarded as my friends.

The tom dick and harry thing..................

This is an untoward argument in my mind....

Random drawing should provide a standard bell curve of people.

The fact that it is AllVol is going to kink the curve drastically.......it will slam the bell to one side or another of the curve, no longer random you see, but quite selective.........this circular argument should lead you back to Rhodes scholars.


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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:16:19 AM   
Aine


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Status: offline 		I see the point in random selection.....but how many of those people versus people that WANT to join end up being useful?  Mentally, emotionally and of relative sound psyche?  The boyfriend and I had a discussion late late last night regarding this point.  And yes, he is military.

I'm not trying to start a flame war, I am honestly curious about all this because it is something that I want to understand.

But at the moment I'm almost late for work, so I gotta jet.  I'll be back tonight.


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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:19:04 AM   
Iskander


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Status: offline 		Ahhh...
Well I live in Aus, and recently it's been plastered all over the media, that due to not being able to get enough new recruits, the army is slacking off on requirements, overweight, no problem, we'll fix that, can't run 100 meters, we'll fix that, astma, no worries mate, we'll take you as a non-combatant...
I can't say that the US army is the same, but the fact that the guy that this thread is about wasn't screened better, and that the US has a shortage of recruits makes me think that if they havn't dropped standards yet then they will before long...

Military history has also been an interest of mine for 30 years, it was my history major..

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ORIGINAL: Aine
But only one section of it.  Generally, that's what most people do.  They are limited to a smaller portion of the American armed forces (no matter what branch)


A good carpenter doesn't just know how to use his hammer, he knows all his tools intimately...

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:25:45 AM   
mnottertail


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While you are at work, remember this time when you get your check, to send it all to the IRS because you WANT to pay taxes.  You signed the papers right?
(BTW this is not a flame, this is just the way I express myself ((outlandishly)))

Back in the OLD days of the draft, the judge would give you a choice, join or prison..............why?  Because the military wouldn't let you in with too big a record......but now they have waivers......you can waiver anything........it is the civilian equivalent to hand-reciepts (all you ex's remember them? lol)

Wanting and lusting are two entirely different worlds, and each is succeptable to its own set of underlying and driving forces....

LOL (but with serious intent)

Ron

 

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:27:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes this is a bad thing. I am in the US Navy. Every Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman knows that when he signs the dotted line and raises his hand he may go to war. He swears to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. and to obey all orders from officers appointed over him.

You dont like the war? tough. the military is VOLUNTARY, meaning YOU Signed up. no one forced you to. Did he honestly think that he could join the army and not have to go to war?

I've done a tour in the gulf, including time spent on land in Iraq. I would go back in a heartbeat, in fact I just requested orders for land tour in Iraq.

Our Commander in Chief, regardless of our opinion of him is still that, our Commander in Chief. When he says Iraq is the enemy. then Iraq is the enemy. If he says go to Iraq and fight. we go and fight. that's our job. that's what we signed up for.

the Armed Forces have one purpose, to fight and win wars.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has major problems. If you join, expect to fight.

Going AWOL is illegal and a crime, and he should be sentenced accordingly at Courts-martial. That means confinement at Ft Leavenworth.

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RE: AWOL soldier surrenders in Ky. - 10/4/2006 9:36:33 AM   
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*****NB: There are also a number of people who are of exemplary everything that are in the military as well. I know some will take umbrage where no slight was intended and I wish to forestall that, because some of them folk could be regarded as my friends.


Or Half the people i'm related too.

Both my grandfathers fought in wars and served in the Military
The one that was in the Army is sane, but broken from the wars
The other one was in the Marines, flew jets (least i think.. i keep my distance) and other things and he's pretty nuts
My father retired from the navy and i have yet to meet anyone who is up to his standard
My brother was in Iraq and so far damn sane
Childhood friends that i have known since i was 1 years old are damn good soldiers

Sabrina is in the AirForce - served in Iraq and is now Korea
Billy is in the Army and served in Iraq
Peter is in the Marines and he's nuts (and didnt serve Iraq)

Soooooooooo

Um what about ppl who serve in the wars and the standards of the military?

Oh thats right, i forgot to mention that they're pretty much college graduates (cept pete)

And my little brother at 14 is in military school right now.

Generalizations are baaaaaaad things and i know alot of ppl who'd take offense


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