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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:15:54 PM   
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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:25:37 PM   
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Well, well, well. Now we find out that the page in this case was 18 years old.


The whole predator angle of this story doesn't interest me that much as discussed in greater detail elsewhere in another thread. In sum, I'm not willing to barter any further adult freedoms to keep other people's kids "safe" when they are clearly of age when sex is of interest to them. It is a foolish parent that doesn't recognize a child's physical maturity, readiness and inclination to express himself sexually. For me to become interested in the pedophile angle, the child in question has to be younger than 13 - otherwise I don't really give a fuck.

But...

A correction is in order. ABC is saying that the illicit IM conversations began when the page was 16 and continued on to the present when he is apparently now 18.

Like I said, not the big issue in mind. But this is still one of those situations where a person in authority over another should refrain from sexual relations with the person in the subordinate position. Such power disparity raises the issue of consent vs. coercion.

Anyway, the story remains the same. As usual, you've come to the table empty-handed, Estring.



So kind of like a President seducing an intern? Seems like a breach of authority to me. Where was your concern then?
I don't consider an 18 year old page a child. Yet so many on here were screaming that Foley is a pedophile. He isn't. He is a gay man who acted foolishly and now is paying the consequences. And by the way, now the page in question is saying that he was playing a joke on Foley, egging him on and getting Foley to say many sexual things in his messages. Doesn't sound like a victim to me. And of course you don't deal with the other points I brought up, nor refuted anything that I have said, but that is typical of your posts.


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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:29:58 PM   
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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:31:04 PM   
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There's a HUGE downside to taking UNCONFIRMED stories from Blogs, and acting on them as if they're CONFIRMED.

Namely, You look like a moron.




If you are directing this to me, I don't read blogs. Never have. A better idea would be for you to show me where I am wrong. That is a bit tougher than calling me names isn't it?

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:46:40 PM   
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So kind of like a President seducing an intern? Seems like a breach of authority to me. Where was your concern then?


Exactly as stated:
"...this is still one of those situations where a person in authority over another should refrain from sexual relations with the person in the subordinate position. Such power disparity raises the issue of consent vs. coercion."

WTF? Can you not read?

But...er..newsflash: Clinton isn't president any longer. Why must Clenusgate constantly be rehashed as if I or anyone else here is defending what Clinton may or may not have done? That's a straw man if I ever saw one.

The same empty rhetoric again and again and again...




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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:51:24 PM   
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A correction is in order. ABC is saying that the illicit IM conversations began when the page was 16 and continued on to the present when he is apparently now 18.




So kind of like a President seducing an intern? Seems like a breach of authority to me. Where was your concern then?  I don't consider an 18 year old page a child. Yet so many on here were screaming that Foley is a pedophile. He isn't. He is a gay man who acted foolishly and now is paying the consequences. And by the way, now the page in question is saying that he was playing a joke on Foley, egging him on and getting Foley to say many sexual things in his messages. Doesn't sound like a victim to me. And of course you don't deal with the other points I brought up, nor refuted anything that I have said, but that is typical of your posts.



Hello A/all,

This sounds unreasonably defensive of Foley.  Whether or not a 16-18 year old is sending text messages to an adult congressman is not relevant.  He did not have to accept them.  He could have blocked the number.  He could have changed his cell phone number.  He could have called the page's parents and told them to restrict his phone privileges.  He could have alerted the district attorney in Washington and have the page talked to about attempting to seduce a government official.  He even could have fired the page.

But he did none of those things.  He texted back sexually explicit messages to a 16-18 year old.  So what we are left with is an adult man having a sexual relationship online/text format with a minor child, which people are prosecuted for all over the country.  If this was Joe Bumpkin from Podunk, TX, he would be facing jail time and registration as a sex offender right now.  But it is not, it is somebody who can call in enough favors among government officials to get off with a slap on the wrist.

Or we are left with a complete moron who doesnt know how to control the little purple-headed congressman.

Care to clarify which you think applies to Foley?

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:56:33 PM   
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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:56:37 PM   
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So kind of like a President seducing an intern? Seems like a breach of authority to me. Where was your concern then?


A grown woman that had been involved with more than one married man and raising her skirt to show her panties is not the same as a teenage boy...

And why would two wrongs make a right? It was republicans that claimed to be asexual paragons of virtue... we all knew Clinton was a womanizer and he never really pretended to be anything but that

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 3:59:47 PM   
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But...er..newsflash: Clinton isn't president any longer. Why must Clenusgate constantly be rehashed


     Because it so clearly illustrates the sort of selective moral outrage that stinks of hypocrisy and a lack of any actual belief system beyond "Republicans Baa-ad."

      Go have a look at Drudge.  I'm not going to point any fingers at this time but my gut tells me this is a poorly executed attempt at an 'October Surprise' and if it comes out that way, it will backfire big time. 

     Will the Dems ever again be a party I can vote for?

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:04:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang
But...er..newsflash: Clinton isn't president any longer. Why must Clenusgate constantly be rehashed


    Because it so clearly illustrates the sort of selective moral outrage that stinks of hypocrisy and a lack of any actual belief system beyond "Republicans Baa-ad."

     Go have a look at Drudge.  I'm not going to point any fingers at this time but my gut tells me this is a poorly executed attempt at an 'October Surprise' and if it comes out that way, it will backfire big time. 

    Will the Dems ever again be a party I can vote for?


Since the Clinton story is an old one, are we to be outraged to this day over it? Is it to be brought up for the next 20 years everytime a republican does not keep his penis where it belongs?

You do not know what our level of outrage with the Clinton scandal was, you are assuming... Clinton is old news... deal with the real... which is this story.. Clinton's penis is an old old moldy outrage.. where is your outrage over this hypocrisy

and btw... i am not a clinton fan

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:06:52 PM   
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It'll be the History Channel tonight.

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:07:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

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So kind of like a President seducing an intern? Seems like a breach of authority to me. Where was your concern then?


Exactly as stated:
"...this is still one of those situations where a person in authority over another should refrain from sexual relations with the person in the subordinate position. Such power disparity raises the issue of consent vs. coercion."

WTF? Can you not read?

But...er..newsflash: Clinton isn't president any longer. Why must Clenusgate constantly be rehashed as if I or anyone else here is defending what Clinton may or may not have done? That's a straw man if I ever saw one.

The same empty rhetoric again and again and again...





Perhaps it is you who can't read? If you can, go back and read all the overheated postings on how Foley is a pedophile, all Republicans are bad because of Foley etc. You want to talk about empty rhetoric, well there you go.
Clinton is relevant because these same people were claiming that it "was only sex, what is the big deal?" when Clinton was in trouble. Of course ignoring the fact that Clinton was impeached because he commited perjury, not because he got a bj from an intern.
In this case there wasn't even any sex.
If you are not one of these people, then I guess you don't need to get your panties in a bundle. I'm not talking to you.


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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:09:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

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But...er..newsflash: Clinton isn't president any longer. Why must Clenusgate constantly be rehashed


   Because it so clearly illustrates the sort of selective moral outrage that stinks of hypocrisy and a lack of any actual belief system beyond "Republicans Baa-ad."

    Go have a look at Drudge.  I'm not going to point any fingers at this time but my gut tells me this is a poorly executed attempt at an 'October Surprise' and if it comes out that way, it will backfire big time. 

   Will the Dems ever again be a party I can vote for?


Since the Clinton story is an old one, are we to be outraged to this day over it? Is it to be brought up for the next 20 years everytime a republican does not keep his penis where it belongs?

You do not know what our level of outrage with the Clinton scandal was, you are assuming... Clinton is old news... deal with the real... which is this story.. Clinton's penis is an old old moldy outrage.. where is your outrage over this hypocrisy

and btw... i am not a clinton fan


Did Foley use his penis to type his im's? There was no sex involved in this case. But as usual, facts don't matter to you.

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:10:00 PM   
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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:11:19 PM   
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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:15:08 PM   
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Where did you get the idea that I was defending Foley? I am glad he is gone. My problem is with the painting of all Republicans because of one. And he is not a pedophile either, as many were posting. I don't care about Foley. I care about the truth.


Well, I spend a great deal of time painting Republicans as a bunch of mentally challenged idiots who should be forced to actually read a book or turn off Faux news for a change.  But that is just me and I could be wrong.

It is like my old history teacher in high school, who expressed grave misgivings because the Republicans had nominated Reagan, who had lied to my history teacher (the PTA representative) when Reagan was governer.  Apparently, he was faced with the moral dilemma of whether to stay true to the party, or vote against a man who lacked moral character. 

So he chose loyalty to the party over standing up for moral character and common sense.  I still laugh about it.  That approach seems to be de rigeur for members of the Republican party.  What the Democrats are facing is an exodus of people who are tired of the Democratic party trying to get as close as they can get in their response to an issue to the Republicans, rather than making a stand for what the party believes.

I liked my old history teacher very much, even though my senior year in high school was one long argument about politics with him.  I got an A+, in case you were wondering.

I am not necessarily tarring all Republicans because of Foley.

In the same way I did not necessarily tar all Republicans because of Bush, DeLay, Reagan, North, Gingrich, Hastert, everybody listed in the book "The Smartest Men In The Room (Abramhoff scandal)," etc.

There are a group of corrupt scoundrels running both houses of Congress.  Oddly enough, they generally happen to be members of the Republican party.  I am willing to make exception for people like Harmon, etc., who seem to represent the Republican swing vote in the Democratic party, but I might be a bit jaded about her.

An adult who has sexual relations with a minor child, either in real life or online or in text messages, is considered a pedophile based on the current laws in place.  You may use whatever yardstick you like to determine that he is not one, but I suspect the criminal statutes will trump it.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

edited to give my history grade

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		       I did like Clinton.  I voted for him twice.  As far as the scandal went, I don't think a sitting President should be subjected to the sort of constant legal harassment that was inflicted on his administration.  Yes, he lied, under oath, about sexual escapades, but I don't think he should have been placed in that position while in office.  That his poll numbers went UP during the whole thing suggests to me that I was actually in the majority in my opinion (a highly unusual sort of thing).

      It was the reaction among a vocal minority of activist Liberals that pissed me off.  I put up a display at work of a Bill Clinton mask wearing a Pinnochio nose and it got me attacked more than twice.  Apparently, I was only free to speak my mind if they agreed with what I said.   

       If this turns out to be an attempted hack job, the radical dems will have repeated 1972 and (how's this for fucking stupid) handed Bush a mandate for the remainder of his term. 

     

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:34:42 PM   
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It was the reaction among a vocal minority of activist Liberals that pissed me off.  I put up a display at work of a Bill Clinton mask wearing a Pinnochio nose and it got me attacked more than twice.  Apparently, I was only free to speak my mind if they agreed with what I said.   



It is very similar to the vocal minority of activist Republicans who take exception to the fact that I refer to the idiot (and I apologize to any actual idiots who dont want to be associated with him) who lives in the White House as Monkeyboy.

Apparently, that is disloyal to a War President.

The problem is not where certain people are on the political spectrum.  The problem is a lack of courtesy and a refusal to allow other people to have the Constitutional guarantee for Freedom of Speech.

But that is just me,

Sinergy

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It's always something.... - 10/5/2006 4:38:18 PM   
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Don't you ever watch the news and think..."WOW!!! This is BIG NEWS!!!!" and then 3 days later...it's something else equally as fantastic that you couldn't have imagined.

It's always something.

Ya know?

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RE: Foley story takes turn into the hilarious... - 10/5/2006 4:41:12 PM   
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