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ORIGINAL: mons

greetings

now as a dominant woman i do not find things sick i had read here on this fourm. first i want to work backward your angry and i am surpise at you emotional angry to me. if your one of those 18 years young woman i am not telling you  what to do it is my choice to say what i think is not right. i have a son who is an adult but would i want him in this lifsltye no but if he were i would let him know what ot look out for sick sadist people yes i said sick. now we come to the part of the clit totrue you do thsi and enjoy it instead of being mad at me you just need to say i love this part of my submissive lifestyle no need to tell me who i am to tell anyone what to do. do you feel gulit for you pleasure you like? i never told anyone what to do but putting hotsauce or anything that would burn you there is crazy after a time you will lose feeling there yes you will lose it. as a dominant woman and a concern human being i will express my point of veiw as much as i will and when i wish too. it is my business to be conren what i wish to place it. this is a lifstlye where many things happen but i do not need you to tell me whom i can tell things too, now as for the sick mind who would out hot sauce on you i still think it is sick srry bita i have my way of saying what i wish it may be you bit of pleasure but no need to attack me i am on the rigth side i think many things are ok and there are so many i can not count. but some things i feeol are not good it must hurt likr hell bita but i am her to agree or disagree.

now that said i only said that was a sick think for a man to do to a woman i did not call you sick your from the post you written are a nice woman i have nothing agnist you do not attack me for things you like many will not agree or not but to me it is something so painful an d wrong i can not think of the pain you must feel it is your thing bita i am not saying your wrong who ever turn you on to this was wrong

take care and ve well bita no hard feeling

mons

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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: mons

greetings

now as a dominant woman i do not find things sick i had read here on this fourm. first i want to work backward your angry and i am surpise at you emotional angry to me. if your one of those 18 years young woman i am not telling you  what to do it is my choice to say what i think is not right. i have a son who is an adult but would i want him in this lifsltye no but if he were i would let him know what ot look out for sick sadist people yes i said sick. now we come to the part of the clit totrue you do thsi and enjoy it instead of being mad at me you just need to say i love this part of my submissive lifestyle no need to tell me who i am to tell anyone what to do. do you feel gulit for you pleasure you like? i never told anyone what to do but putting hotsauce or anything that would burn you there is crazy after a time you will lose feeling there yes you will lose it. as a dominant woman and a concern human being i will express my point of veiw as much as i will and when i wish too. it is my business to be conren what i wish to place it. this is a lifstlye where many things happen but i do not need you to tell me whom i can tell things too, now as for the sick mind who would out hot sauce on you i still think it is sick srry bita i have my way of saying what i wish it may be you bit of pleasure but no need to attack me i am on the rigth side i think many things are ok and there are so many i can not count. but some things i feeol are not good it must hurt likr hell bita but i am her to agree or disagree.

now that said i only said that was a sick think for a man to do to a woman i did not call you sick your from the post you written are a nice woman i have nothing agnist you do not attack me for things you like many will not agree or not but to me it is something so painful an d wrong i can not think of the pain you must feel it is your thing bita i am not saying your wrong who ever turn you on to this was wrong

take care and ve well bita no hard feeling

mons

It is not often that I feel moved to post to these forums but on this occassion I felt the need to. This post was on another thread but I felt it needed clarifying.

It seems from this mons, that you think people who do things that you do not like or approve of are sick. There are many things discussed here that I don't like, scat, watersports and ageplay being 3 of them. Do I think people that engage in those practices are sick? No. If it makes them happy fine and if they are not involving me, so what. I too have had a Dominant use Tiger Balm on my clitoris during play. Did I enjoy it? yes. Was he sick to do this? Of course not, it is part of normal BDSM play for many people.

My current Master enjoys needle play which often is very painful, in fact he once sewed my labia shut. It was an experience we both enjoyed and would do again when the time is right. Am I sick to let him do that? Nope. Is he sick? No again. He is a Dominant with many years experience who cares for and protects his subs but also enjoys all sorts of extreme play with them.

Everyone here has their own idea of what they consider to be acceptable to them in what they do. However, because I don't like something that someone else does, does not make me right and them wrong, nor does it make them sick to do it. If they are not forcing me to take part then it is up to them what they do and what makes them happy. Please remember that these forums are read by new people here and by some outsiders and to brand a fairly normal practice sick may give totally the wrong impression.

 

 

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

mons is entitled to her opinion.  I think some practices ARE sick.  Let's say someone is a zoophile or a pedophile.  Should this be considered acceptable, because we do not want to step on toes?  Since when did stating your opinion become such a problem on a forum like this one? 
 
I admire anyone who can stand for what they believe, whether it is popular to do so or not. 

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ORIGINAL: susie

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ORIGINAL: mons

greetings

now as a dominant woman i do not find things sick i had read here on this fourm. first i want to work backward your angry and i am surpise at you emotional angry to me. if your one of those 18 years young woman i am not telling you  what to do it is my choice to say what i think is not right. i have a son who is an adult but would i want him in this lifsltye no but if he were i would let him know what ot look out for sick sadist people yes i said sick. now we come to the part of the clit totrue you do thsi and enjoy it instead of being mad at me you just need to say i love this part of my submissive lifestyle no need to tell me who i am to tell anyone what to do. do you feel gulit for you pleasure you like? i never told anyone what to do but putting hotsauce or anything that would burn you there is crazy after a time you will lose feeling there yes you will lose it. as a dominant woman and a concern human being i will express my point of veiw as much as i will and when i wish too. it is my business to be conren what i wish to place it. this is a lifstlye where many things happen but i do not need you to tell me whom i can tell things too, now as for the sick mind who would out hot sauce on you i still think it is sick srry bita i have my way of saying what i wish it may be you bit of pleasure but no need to attack me i am on the rigth side i think many things are ok and there are so many i can not count. but some things i feeol are not good it must hurt likr hell bita but i am her to agree or disagree.

now that said i only said that was a sick think for a man to do to a woman i did not call you sick your from the post you written are a nice woman i have nothing agnist you do not attack me for things you like many will not agree or not but to me it is something so painful an d wrong i can not think of the pain you must feel it is your thing bita i am not saying your wrong who ever turn you on to this was wrong

take care and ve well bita no hard feeling

mons

It is not often that I feel moved to post to these forums but on this occassion I felt the need to. This post was on another thread but I felt it needed clarifying.

It seems from this mons, that you think people who do things that you do not like or approve of are sick. There are many things discussed here that I don't like, scat, watersports and ageplay being 3 of them. Do I think people that engage in those practices are sick? No. If it makes them happy fine and if they are not involving me, so what. I too have had a Dominant use Tiger Balm on my clitoris during play. Did I enjoy it? yes. Was he sick to do this? Of course not, it is part of normal BDSM play for many people.

I don't think mons was saying that there are plain old sick people out there.  Hell she even said she liked clit torture.  I think that perhaps the "sick" she was referring to in reference to her adult son would be the asshats and the abusers and the *real* sickos, those that do severely illegal things.  (Do not get me started on the semantics on LEGAL, people)

I think that she's talking about those people that DO maliciously abuse WITHOUT consent.  Those that RAPE, not play-rape consentually. Etc, etc.

Way to take things out of context instead of thinking about it.  What she was actually responding to was someone who DOES think that other people's kink is sick.  If this is the response that I think it is to a certain thread.  Which is a whole other can 'o worms.

My current Master enjoys needle play which often is very painful, in fact he once sewed my labia shut. It was an experience we both enjoyed and would do again when the time is right. Am I sick to let him do that? Nope. Is he sick? No again. He is a Dominant with many years experience who cares for and protects his subs but also enjoys all sorts of extreme play with them.

Everyone here has their own idea of what they consider to be acceptable to them in what they do. However, because I don't like something that someone else does, does not make me right and them wrong, nor does it make them sick to do it. If they are not forcing me to take part then it is up to them what they do and what makes them happy. Please remember that these forums are read by new people here and by some outsiders and to brand a fairly normal practice sick may give totally the wrong impression.

Re-read what I posted above so I don't have to repeat myself.

 

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ORIGINAL: zebrastripes

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

mons is entitled to her opinion.  I think some practices ARE sick.  Let's say someone is a zoophile or a pedophile.  Should this be considered acceptable, because we do not want to step on toes?  Since when did stating your opinion become such a problem on a forum like this one? 
 
I admire anyone who can stand for what they believe, whether it is popular to do so or not. 

She is most certainly entitled to her opinion.  Neither of the examples you use should have a place in the BDSM lifestyle.  Consensual is the word.  And if my post somehow stepped on someones toes, it was not meant to have that effect. 

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

I can't find the thread which started this thread. Perhaps it's been moved (or deleted) or it could be I'm just having a dumb day, but this is for Mons. I'm not angry at 'you' Mons .. I am attacking your view of one particular S/M practice. There is a difference. I do think you're entitled to that view and my questions were specific to you and that view. How you arrived at it, why you think it, things along those lines. I'm asking you to support your view, that's it. You put it out there, this is a discussion forum, so, in my mind, that's what's supposed to happen. Someone says something they should be willing to defend it.

Just to clarify, I am not an 18 year old woman, I'm 46 and I've been actively involved in S/M since 1982. I have a lot of experience on both sides of the fence with clit torture including irritant play. I understand there is risk involved in much of what we do including that form of play and I choose to take those risks for the benefits which I gain from them. The people with whom I interact on an S/M level are all adults and they also choose to take those risks. 

You are entitled to your opinion. I do not begrudge you your view. I only asked you to defend it with logical reasoning as to why you feel the way you do. You came up with a single, unsupported opinion which is not a fact as to why.  (That in time one will lose their feeling.) Are you sure about that? How much time? How often does one have to indulge in this play before they lose their feeling? Does it happen the first time? The 10th time? The 1000th time? How do you know? What do you base it on? Instead of telling me what you feel about it, convince me with facts that I shouldn't be doing it. Use logic and reason on me. It works. Despite what you may think, I'm not the one who is emotional about this issue, Mons. I sit here ready to be convinced. I have an open mind and it is open to your viewpoint. I want to be clear that even with logic and sound reasoning, I may 'still' choose to indulge, so the best I can offer is a chance for you to change my mind. No more than that.

It's all good Mons. I think you are a nice lady. Perhaps too nice and that's why this bothers you. Your compassion is deciding for you instead of your logic.

I'm going to give an example of something that I think is sick and wrong. Engaging in BDSM with anyone or anything who does not or cannot consent as a human adult. I'll defend that statement till the day I die so it's not that I think that 'everything' is OK. There are things which ARE sick, but, generally speaking, when we are talking about reasonable adults consenting to do nasty things to one another, when those things don't harm someone else or engage them without their knowledge.. most of those are going to be OK whether I personally indulge in them or not.

Celeste

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Sometimes a feeling cannot be squared away with logic. 

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To me, what I do myself is sick. 

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Why do I feel this way?  Who knows.  societal conditioning?  Uprbringing?  It just feels twisted and abnormal to me. Do I still engage in it?  Yes, because I like it, but I still think it's "sick" or "perverted" or "twisted" or "deviant". 

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I cant speak for Mons or your exchange with her and thats not what Im attempting to do, but consent or not we all have feelings on what we think qualifies as 'sick' even in a 'lifestyle' (I hate that word, but a better one eludes me at the moment)  where we are more accepting than the average people.  I think its sick to want to eat shit.  Some people think its sick to slaughter animals for food and leather jackets.  Others think its sick to stick needles through your breasts.  Health risk reasons? Pyschological damage reasons?  Whats the difference "why" the person thinks something is sick.  One person will agree and another wont.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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Sometimes a feeling cannot be squared away with logic. 

True, but sometimes it can so why not try?

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To me, what I do myself is sick. 

I've been there. I am no longer there. I've gone through a process and discarded what I was fed by society for most of my life. That was 'my' process. It worked for me. It may work for others. We don't have to buy in to what's being sold to us as a bill of goods.

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Why do I feel this way?  Who knows.  societal conditioning?  Uprbringing?  It just feels twisted and abnormal to me. Do I still engage in it?  Yes, because I like it, but I still think it's "sick" or "perverted" or "twisted" or "deviant". 

Would you rather not struggle with it? Would you rather embrace it, revel in it, thrive on it and be proud of the fact that you do it? I decided I wanted the latter so took the steps which were necessary for me to get to that place. Others can do that as well if they so choose. Sometimes they forget they can choose to do so though, so this is sort of like a reminder to that cause. :)

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I cant speak for Mons or your exchange with her and thats not what Im attempting to do, but consent or not we all have feelings on what we think qualifies as 'sick' even in a 'lifestyle' (I hate that word, but a better one eludes me at the moment)  where we are more accepting than the average people.  I think its sick to want to eat shit.  Some people think its sick to slaughter animals for food and leather jackets.  Others think its sick to stick needles through your breasts.  Health risk reasons? Pyschological damage reasons?  Whats the difference "why" the person thinks something is sick.  One person will agree and another wont.

I engage in causes which appear to be hopeless at times and, actually, usually they are .. but not always and that's because I don't view them as 'hopeless' but rather as I have hope, that people can grow and learn and embrace new ideas and new ways of thinking if not the actual activities.

I am not the same person I was 20 years ago. I don't have the same thoughts, I don't think the same way. Who is to say that tomorrow you or Mons or someone else may not change what they view as 'sick' today ... and tomorrow think of it as, if not terrific at least OK and acceptable for others.

If I say nothing then I am not true to 'myself' and I can't fight the good fight if I don't go to the battle. My battle is ignorance and I try to fight it with logic and reason. I shall continue to do so. Sometimes I'll be successful, sometimes I won't but I will be there regardless of my chances.



Celeste

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I want to examine those questions in my own head.