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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 1:50:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Amaros
I think the key is to mediate the internal politics - the politics needs to be all about how to persue this life and reduce conflicts with the external social dynamic (w/respect to the above): internalizing these struggles within the community is just going to be divisive.
You're on a roll with great ideas, but how does reducing external conflicts help the struggles within the group? I would think closing ranks and trying to rid ourselves of pettiness and games stemming from insecurity and poor communication would eventually diminish our struggles with the external world.  
Stopping here while I still think am communicating what I need to.    M

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 1:55:19 PM   
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what amazes me is that somehow for some reason that we in this lifestyle are suppose to be above all basic BS that is found in any other group of people under the sun.

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 6:46:18 PM   
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Dear KnightofMist, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I do agree with your mind's eye.  We 'are' suppose to be above the others, per se.  Yet, we see no matter what 'group' one is associated there are repeated disappointments.  We see this in politics a lot, especially around election time.  We see this in schools and well, life in general, so in the community it is no surprise to see it manifested in groups that put into question the 'support' aspects of and or the 'education' groups we (in general terms) participate in.  I am sad to witness 'selective' support and selected presenters dealing with presentations.  Sometimes, its a need for an outsider to present as to put some new ideas into the group.
 
When I saw to much politics and the nasty mud slinging and how ugly people were--I left said group(s) or never joined.  Allegations escalate to bringing up old history or present--I do become sick of it personally. 
 
In my mind's eye; people are people and some individuals need groups to live through, as it seemingly is that without connecting their name to this or that group; that they will be seen as lesser of an individual.
Some people just join a group, as to rise up through the ranks getting attention that way; the need to feel important but; when they do win a board position, the forget their platforms they run on and swap it for personal agendas, not representing the group as a whole and independent of personal agendas, bias, prejudice and or personality conflicts.  Sometimes I wonder if people just get into the office to 'get even.'  Sadly, this over shadows the many lovely people who come in with the pure intent to be good and kind to others, depart with their knowledge and give towards education in a positive manner.
 
Don't see any easy answers, as it is difficult to anticipate a change in individuals within the group and or those who hold a leadership role.
Only those who host their 'personal intent' when they act in groups and or out of group settings; in or about outside groups and into a larger community hold the answer.
 
One can communicate all they wish but, until the individual and or the group as a whole listen; the only thing that will be witnessed is the continued addition to the cow chips and bull pies and the need for thigh high boots.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 7:41:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Amaros
I think the key is to mediate the internal politics - the politics needs to be all about how to persue this life and reduce conflicts with the external social dynamic (w/respect to the above): internalizing these struggles within the community is just going to be divisive.
You're on a roll with great ideas, but how does reducing external conflicts help the struggles within the group? I would think closing ranks and trying to rid ourselves of pettiness and games stemming from insecurity and poor communication would eventually diminish our struggles with the external world.  
Stopping here while I still think am communicating what I need to.    M


Meaning that energy spent expended in internecine conflict might be better applied to dealing with external threats.

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 8:41:15 PM   
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I can't speak for Chris M.personally.
I have never heard him label himself as anything other than a Dominant.
He's been around a long time and is a hard working educator.
suzanne


Really?  He definitely bottoms for the right person and is very open about being open to those relationship, there were even some beautiful photographs that were hanging in the Crucible at one point with him as the bottom.

He has done a lot of work for the local community, but he has as many enemies and detractors as he has supporters- as most long time well known people in the scene do.

Hi LA,
Wow, in the almost two years I honestly have never heard of or seen Chris in any role other than the Dominant.
I guess it's usually at the presentations where he's been teaching things that we see each other so that has not presented itself before now..
I've actually only seen him play at the Crucible three times 
That's interesting he's actually a switch.
I had no idea.

LOL You indeed can learn a lot from these boards you never considered possible.
suzanne

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 11:08:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill
I can't speak for Chris M.personally.
I have never heard him label himself as anything other than a Dominant.
He's been around a long time and is a hard working educator.
suzanne

Really?  He definitely bottoms for the right person and is very open about being open to those relationship, there were even some beautiful photographs that were hanging in the Crucible at one point with him as the bottom.

Hi LA,
Wow, in the almost two years I honestly have never heard of or seen Chris in any role other than the Dominant.
I guess it's usually at the presentations where he's been teaching things that we see each other so that has not presented itself before now..
I've actually only seen him play at the Crucible three times 
That's interesting he's actually a switch.
I had no idea.
suzanne
Am I confused?   Because I thought it was possible to be a dominant and still bottom?   

quote:

Meaning that energy spent expended in internecine conflict might be better applied to dealing with external threats.
Than you for clarifying, and this makes sense.   M

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 11:43:55 PM   
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Random usage of capitals is something I find highly offensive!


i find you highly offensive!!

So cut it out!!

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 11:45:04 PM   
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Thanks for posting this onestandingstill....
I enjoyed reading it, and hope everyonde reads and takes something from it, except a reason to knock it.   Lord knows we can disagree with everything and anything around these parts.   M


i completely disagree.... these arent THESE parts, these are their parts

which we all play with quite frequently

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 11:46:58 PM   
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what amazes me is that somehow for some reason that we in this lifestyle are suppose to be above all basic BS that is found in any other group of people under the sun.


Duh - thats because you Domly men are supposed to be super hero's and Gods... and Superhero's and Gods make EVERYTHING perfect. 

thought you got the memo?? 

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 11:50:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

what amazes me is that somehow for some reason that we in this lifestyle are suppose to be above all basic BS that is found in any other group of people under the sun.


Duh - thats because you Domly men are supposed to be super hero's and Gods... and Superhero's and Gods make EVERYTHING perfect. 

thought you got the memo?? 



There was a memo?

I hate being out of the loop....

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/7/2006 11:57:50 PM   
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i completely disagree.... these arent THESE parts, these are their parts

which we all play with quite frequently
Girl isn't there anyone nearby to spank than cage you so you can behave yourself?    M

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 8:04:23 AM   
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I've been "looking" into the lifestyle for less than a month now - reading forums, talking with people, picking up basic literature and books to better familiarize myself - so I can say with much confidence that I'm quite the newbie and can't talk expertly about much and have no practical experience.

With that said, I have noticed the behaviors of some of the people just in the forum alone that resembles onestandingstill's dissertation.  I've encountered rude, unpleasant, demeaning, impatient, disrespectful, etc. etc.

I've encountered these same types of people in vanilla groups and just chalked it up to there are a**holes in every group and you have to take the good with the bad.

I'm very strongly leaning to being a sub, which I expect can result in the Domme being rude, abusive, demeaning, etc. etc. - but I expect that to be in the context of our relationship, agreed upon beforehand and accepted as part of us being together.  I do not expect, and I don't tolerate, someone emailing me and being rude, abusive, demeaning, etc. just because they are a Domme and they think they can because I'm interested in being a sub.

I am a human being, someone deserving of respect and sensibility (as long as I don't do anything to warrant the opposite) and I'm not some subservient dog for you to kick and talk down too UNLESS it is my choice to permit you to do that.

It's a shame that some people, no matter which role you assume, forget that we are civilized human beings and don't act accordingly.  I don't care if the person is a Domme / Dom or Sub, whether we have common interests or not, whether they are someone I look up to or not, regardless of race, color, creed or political leaning - I try to be respectful to them until they prove themselves to be someone undeserving of respect.

The downward spiral is really prevalent in people's political leanings - if you don't like (or hate) the policies of the current President, then that is just fine; but it is wrong to hate the man; he's just doing what he thinks is right.  The same thing happened to Clinton; some of the things he did were plain wrong and it is okay to not like what he did; but to hate the man is not the answer.

People are becoming too personal as of late in respect to separating actions of a person from the person.  Now, Foley is scum - what he did was inexcusable and you can't separate the action from the person.  On the other hand, if someone wants to raise taxes and you want them lowered, then that is a difference of opinion and not a reason to stand in the streets and yell that the other person is "the devil" - you wouldn't want that person to say that about you because they disagree with your opinions.

I've got opinions that are not shared by everyone on these forums and I've had people disagree with what I think (and I can appreciate that) and there are some that have personally attacked me (usually in an email) and that just indicates to me that they are not of a high enough quality of person to matter to me.

If there is someone who I vehemently disagree with everything they think; I'm still going to grab their arm and pull them back on the curb if they step into traffic by accident.  Not so they can owe me, but because it's the right thing, the human thing, to do.

I love all of you, ... well, most of you ... well, some more than you deserve - oh hell, up yours  (hee hee hee)

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 11:19:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crappydom

Random usage of capitals is something I find highly offensive!



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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito

They could have said it a lot more concisely and without the random capitalization.




Actually, the capitalisation issue you both mention isn't random. The capitalisation of lead letters occurs every 65 to 75 characters (spaces included), and the version of the document posted in the OP has carriage returns at the end of each line. This indicates that the original document has been through a format conversion process, and during conversion has been affected by something akin to MS Word's "Capitalise first letter of sentences" autocorrect facility.

A bit of a pain to correct unless you went through the document "by hand" (because search-and-replace would sometimes "correct" capitalisation incorrectly).




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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 11:42:00 AM   
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HI Sue. Thanks so much for posting that for us. I too will have to look at it more, when I have more time.

Take care and Thanks again,

BalletBob


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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 11:45:57 AM   
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Actually, the capitalisation issue you both mention isn't random. The capitalisation of lead letters occurs every 65 to 75 characters (spaces included), and the version of the document posted in the OP has carriage returns at the end of each line. This indicates that the original document has been through a format conversion process, and during conversion has been affected by something akin to MS Word's "Capitalise first letter of sentences" autocorrect facility.

A bit of a pain to correct unless you went through the document "by hand" (because search-and-replace would sometimes "correct" capitalisation incorrectly).


Heh, good old Microsoft, monopoly through sheer confusion - ever see the spagetti code that converting a word document to HTML churns out? Sheesh, try editing on of those messes sometime.

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 12:39:54 PM   
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Well thought out post!  Thanks.
I'd only add a little observation ... someplace in or between
The Dom=Dickhead syndrome & The Imperial-Imperious confusion

There is an obvious concentration of control freaks in the scene.  Mixed w/ the newbies fantasizing they are Gods of Gor (& have to follow that scripted behaviour) & the unsocialized porn geeks who can't find a date otherwise & think by sticking out their chests & being rude that they can command a free blowjob ... there tends to be a lot of ego & competition between Doms, wannabe Doms, fantasy Doms, etc.  Too many Doms think they have to butt heads & be buttheads so they will be respected by others in the scene. 

I've been surprised when, at a munch, the only folks who would come up and talk to me were my oldtimer friends.  Then I noticed folks had formed a long receiving line to meet my slave (at that time), and were asking her to introduce them to me.  I'm a friendly guy & anyone would have been welcome to come up & say Hi if they cared to chat ... but somehow I'd been put into a pecking order due to my reputation.  But I'm one of the few who accepts that we all have very specialized interests, and as long as 2 compatibles are happy, then I have no criticism except those that might involve physiological safety & health.  I've pretty much dropped out of the public scene: 1) I don't troll munches for a sub & 2) too much control-freak testosterone & egos seem to be hanging out at the munches (trolling for subs).  I get enough ego BS at work ... I don't need it in my recreational & social time.

As long as the subs & slaves respond to rude, boorish behaviour, it will continue; they are rewarding obnoxious behaviour.  I find it refreshing to see a sub/slave who is clear in her profile what she won't put up with.  This is not to slight subs/slaves who like abusive Doms ... to each her own.  But the newbies are reading the posts, learning the jargon, and emulating what they think is appropriate behaviour from those already on the boards.

There's no reason we all have to agree on everything ... on anything.  But D/s is, afterall, merely a ritualized form of courtesy.  The oldtimers (Old Guard) know this.  Sometimes a little less ego & willingness to agree to disagree goes a long way towards promoting harmony.

The WWW has done a lot to educate the curious about BdSm, but concomitantly, it has let in a plethora (or 2) of fantasy-driven, porn-educated newbies who are redefining BdSm.  The only thing we can depend upon is change ... but not all change is for the better.  There's no going back to the Old Guard (for either its good or bad aspects), but the current generation is defining what they are going to have to live with ... and what they are creating for the future. 

For me, I'll only socialize with folks who'll treat me with the same courtesy I extend to them.






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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 4:26:30 PM   
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Subject: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - (Permission given to repost.)


I read this essay, both here and in an e-mail group I correspond in, and both times, it rubbed me the wrong way, but I was unable at the time to put my finger on just exactly what it was that was causing this reaction with me.

Today I finally figured it out.

So, I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute. I don't know the author and really who he or she is doesn't really matter much to me. I'm just looking at the content of what was written.

Here goes:

I believe that we've spent a lot of time attempting to be tolerant and very little time holding up a standard of behavior and then sticking to what we've touted. That's not to say that everyone should behave as I do, or that they shouldn't. What I am saying is that hallmarks of this lifestyle that I was taught are being left by the wayside in an attempt to be everything to everybody.

When I first started doing this, I was taught - by nearly everyone that would take the time to teach me - that there is a code of honor. I was taught that we police our own so that people feel safe when they come to events. Yet, in all honesty, I've never seen this to be the case.

I post to these forums, but my interactions with people in this lifestyle are real life and have been so for many years. In the time I've been around, I've seen people, both submissives and dominants, angry at one another and engage in behavior that is vindictive and destructive. I've watched as people keyed the cars of their ex-dominants and submissives. I've seen other dominants rescue a submissive who was being beat up in a parking lot of a munch by her dominant because she dared break up with him the week before.

And then, those very same people who had done the keying, and beating people up, and all sorts of things, have been invited back to play parties, events and even be placed in positions of control of groups by being asked to DM in more public dungeons.

I understand that there are two sides to every story,  but when you ask why people maintain tightly knit cliques, don't venture out amongst others and actually do what they can to ostracize new people, I'd venture to say that the cause is in our own back yards.

You see, I am one of those who practice the empathy gap. I am not all so fired up and anxious to make things easy for those entering this lifestyle. It is my firm belief that for better or for worse, this lifestyle exacts a cost, and making it easy for people to treat this as a fad, helps them avoid seriously contemplating the cost they will incur. I don't think this is healthy for them, and it's not healthy for me as I interact with them, and it's not healthy for a group of people who out of one side of their mouth tout honor and integrity, and out of the other reward those who have none. I WANT things to be difficult. I WANT people to have to look at what they will have to do and make a decision that no matter what, they WANT to be here; they WANT to live this life. I think that consensuality is enhanced when people make informed choices and are not just drifting on a whim.

The whole "sweet and sour" issue is part of that process. I don't believe that ANYONE is hugging each other in order to make someone else feel badly. That's attributing a lot to groups of friends who can be genuinely happy to see each other. I also don't believe that people are required to treat everyone exactly the same. I don't think I'd want to be a part of something like that. As time goes on and those individuals initially not hugged are better known, the hugs will come. It has to do with patience and realizing that years of friendships happen throughout years and not the last three munches one has attended.Again, it has to do with time, committment and knowledge - this time, the knowledge of other people for those that are not necessarily a part of things when they first arrive. And again, if it invites retaliation, then it's time to step up and hold those who will do the retaliating to a code that says if you act in a destructively vindictive manner to others, you will not be welcome.

Now, all this being said, some may want to accuse me of also being part of the "Imperial-Imperious" group, but I don't believe I am. I'd like to think that when we as a group say something, we mean it. The chicken-hawks would have far less delectable opportunities and there would  be far fewer damaged chicks if we held ourselves to a standard of behavior with politeness and respect (courtesy for those who believe respect should be earned) as the hallmarks.

Because the scene is a small world, courtesy and politeness seem to be the way to go. I wholeheartedly agree with that. However, courtesy and politeness, even if distasteful, go hand in hand with expectations of behavior that maintain the quality of the environment for all the people that are there - not just those who are of stronger personality.

I personally don't accept that by virtue of our interests, we are required to spend time with people we might not otherwise choose as friends. If a lifestyle is a way of living one's life, then to me, that would include the ability and the imperative to choose one's friends wisely. While many people I may or may not like as friends may be at a munch, and while I believe I should be polite to them, I also don't believe that my evening should necessarily be spent being "friends" with those people. We are a group of people who enjoy many of the same things. That does not necessarily translate into friendships, nor should it. So, at munches, when I see friends, whether it makes me cliquish or not, I'm going to spend time there predominantly with my friends. As other people slowly enter that circle, I'll spend time with them as well, but it is not an obligation that this happen all at once.

Enforcing play standards in public venues are good things, but I would say that while we can and should show tolerance for each other's activities and predelictions, I really don't believe tolerance should be the rule when blatantly destructive and even violent activites are taking place.

I believe it's all well and good to maintain the air of civility. I appreciate civility very much. However, more than extended civility, what is lacking is the awareness and an assuredness that if one is uncivil, there will be a bigger cost to bear.

It is my belief that there are far far too many of us that can relate, in our own communities, activities that have happened wherein someone who is patently unsafe, keeps coming back and back and back. And for those of us who have been at the receiving end of their attentions, cliques, inordinate boundaries and airs of exclusivity are the defenses we engage in when the community that we've always heard would be there for us, fails yet again to recognize the difference between tolerance for our kinks and safety of its members.

Until people are ready to step up to that responsibility, I don't believe anything will really change - no matter how much I might hope they might.

juliet

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 5:27:16 PM   
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what amazes me is that somehow for some reason that we in this lifestyle are suppose to be above all basic BS that is found in any other group of people under the sun.


I agree, this is a huge pet peeve of mine.  People are people, group dynamics are group dynamics, the lifestyle is not special and the people are not <gasp> special.


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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 5:29:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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what amazes me is that somehow for some reason that we in this lifestyle are suppose to be above all basic BS that is found in any other group of people under the sun.


I agree, this is a huge pet peeve of mine.  People are people, group dynamics are group dynamics, the lifestyle is not special and the people are not <gasp> special.



Um, excuse me. But, Im very special. My mom said.

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RE: Civility and Incivility in the Scene - 10/9/2006 5:30:07 PM   
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Sorry, I forget to single you out.....you know you are special.     

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