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Censorship - 1/21/2005 2:07:23 PM

INSIDEYOURMIND

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This is most likely my last post on this site.

I started a thread yesterday that while it was a heated topic, it was not in violation of the terms of service.

This is a public forum, and as such should not be censored.

I have written to Mod One, and three, and if the post is not returned, I am done.

I am sure there are some that will be glad to see me go, but I will not be censored.

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 2:44:29 PM

Bigbossman4u

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quote:

ORIGINAL: INSIDEYOURMIND

This is most likely my last post on this site.

I started a thread yesterday that while it was a heated topic, it was not in violation of the terms of service.

This is a public forum, and as such should not be censored.

I have written to Mod One, and three, and if the post is not returned, I am done.

I am sure there are some that will be glad to see me go, but I will not be censored.

Wow. I'd hate to see you leave as I have enjoyed reading many of your posts in my short time lurkign and posting here. But please keep in mind this isn't a public forum it's a moderated forum. This isn't the alt hierarchy on usenet where anything goes - including a ton of bullsh*t none of us want. This site is privately held (generously I might add) and as such they have every right to decide what threads stay, what threads are moved (as one I was participating in yesterday had been) and even who to ban from the site altogether should they choose.

I am not familiar with the thread you are referring to and obviously it's gone so I do not know if or how it influenced the moderators from removing it. If you truly beleive that it was inoccuous and the mods are trylu at fault and you disagree wtih their judgement and feel compelled to leave, I'd understand - I have left similar privately run open forums for the exact reason. But ultimately it *is* their call. Hopefully you can work it out with them... either getting it back on (albeit edited) or by trying to understand why they felt the need to remove it. Perhaps not... but do know your presence would be missed.

If there are some unmoderated BDSM newsgroups - I've never really looked. I'd be interesting in eharing abotu it - though I suspect it would degenerate into a fairly troll infested and rotten place.

Anyhow, I hope you cool down and reconsider...

Best,
Joshua

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 2:58:00 PM

Mercnbeth

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RIGHT BEHIND YOU.

As I said in my direct mail to you, quoted in it's entirity...

quote:

Jeff,
What happened to your thread, the one that I posted to yesterday at your request? If you tell me it was pulled completely by the moderators I'm GONE from CollarMe. If I want that censorship, I'd continue to post on Yahoo.

But if you pulled it - fine.

What's the story?

From the Forum Guidelines....

quote:

While debate is fine, postings of the sort generally known as "flames" is not. Participants are not expected to coddle one another, but they are expected to keep things within the realm of maturity.

This isn't a place to insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others. If you don't like what another person enjoys, rest assured that there are plenty of others out there that probably don't like your activities either. Furthermore, harassment and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Regarding the acceptability of various discussion topics - in most cases this will have to be determined based upon the essay in question, the content involved, and its particular form of presentation. Topics which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - minors, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities.

What part of this 'code' was violated?

If 'flaming' is the issue - what current thread does NOT contain some element of 'flaming' implied, inferred, or actual?

Is discretionary deletion if offensive to ONE "Moderator" part of the sites Mission Statement?

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 3:06:36 PM

ModeratorOne

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Pulling posts is at the moderators discretion as stated in the guidelines.

A mod may pull a post temporarily or permanently depending on the context.

Often a mod will pull a post and keep it in the private mod areas of the forum
so that we may all discuss it and decide what would be in the best interest of the forum.

I posted on this thread in the General BDSM Discussion area. If anyone has any issues with this please message me in private.

By the way, I never received any message from InsideYourMind.

Try messaging me again if you wish to tell me something.

Thanks,

ModOne

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 3:22:03 PM

happypervert

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So one post out of almost 500 gets yanked, and you get so upset about censorship that you'll in effect censor yourself permanently? Seems like an overreaction to me.

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 3:23:21 PM

BlkTallFullfig

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quote:

ORIGINAL: INSIDEYOURMIND

This is most likely my last post on this site.

I started a thread yesterday that while it was a heated topic, it was not in violation of the terms of service.

This is a public forum, and as such should not be censored.

I have written to Mod One, and three, and if the post is not returned, I am done.
I am sure there are some that will be glad to see me go, but I will not be censored.

When I first began reading/posting here, I found your postings to be very matter-of-fact, honest, and from the heart. I loved reading and learning from the people who know this lifestyle, and freely talk about it, so that the rest of us can learn, and indeed decide if it is what we mean to enter into.
I obviously like peace/harmony, but I prefer them when achieved through honest, open and intelligent discourse, as long as someone doesn't seem to have a lot of personal BS/issues to work through (as can be detected in a lot of recent threads). I would be real upset if you and Merc left, because even as I don't always agree, and even as I have a sensitive side that likes "sugarcoated shit" sometimes, I ALWAYS RESPECT Honesty, and would never hate/faulter someone for being honest.
In my short time at collarme forums, I've had opportunity to disagree with you and Merc (ballsy, I know), but didn't feel personally attacked when you replied. I feel, as many threads utter every day, at the very least, one needs to be mature enough to look in the mirror/be honset with self and than with others. There is a massive amount of people with issues they want to shove down other's throats, and I don't really like the implication that those people who speak their minds freely, have to hold their tongues and play sweet (when "get real" is needed) in response.

I just don't understand why it's okay to come whining about not getting what I want, but not okay to be told grow up and take responsibility for your life and your choices.

I sincerely hope/pray neither of you (INSIDEYOURMIND/MERCandBETH) leave, because an awful lot of sensible advice/experience would leave with you, and those of us still in the learning stages would miss a great deal of FREE (I've already spent a bit on these books, trying to learn)information.
Stay well...... and PLEASE DON'T GO, am not kidding... M

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 3:31:14 PM

stef

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Your indignation would appear slightly less self-serving if you ever bothered to make such ultimatums when other threads were pulled. As things currently stand, it appears as though you're not really interested in stopping "censorship" as you claim, you just don't like it when your own thread gets pulled. I can certainly understand that, but let's not pretend the situation is something more than it is, ok?

~stef

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 3:36:01 PM

INSIDEYOURMIND

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quote:

By the way, I never received any message from InsideYourMind.

Because I did not know how to reach you directly, I sent my email to your support@collarme address.

But because you and your mods are always right, you never received a message from me.

I was always a huge proponent of this site, I feel what you did by pulling that thread was wrong.

When I first noticed the donation symbol on the site, I stepped right up. I am sure you will not miss one member, but it has to start somewhere. Don't let your wonderful site become what the other sites have, boring, typical, and bad.

I stated my opinion, I did not flame anyone, and I thought opinions were what the forums were all about. My thread was a "light hearted" attempt to quell a ever increasing ground swell of the same thread.

I will be always grateful to Collarme because I found my wonderful submissive here, but with this post I will cancel my membership, and seek a site that works honestly, and fairly, not with personal descretion as a rule.

To my friends , I can be reached at [email protected], or [email protected].

To my not so friends, enjoy this site, your safe from the big bad Jeffrey!

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 3:39:31 PM

sub4hire

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Frankly, I can care less when anyone has a tantrum who was supposed to have grown up long ago. If you want to leave, good riddens. If you want to stay, welcome back.

Although as I've said in other threads the past two weeks. It appears you are going through some hard learning stages at this time. I've only noticed you were even here the past two week's. Yet I've noticed a lot in those two weeks.
Learning doesn't always feel good. Perhaps it is wise to take a break and reflect. Then come back refreshed with a clear head.

Just what I've witnessed.

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 4:44:50 PM

Atavist

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Bigbossman4u has pretty much nailed it. This is a privately held site, you play by their rules, if you don't like the rules, try to change them. If you can't, you vote with your feet.

I've enjoyed reading INSIDEYOURMINDS posts, quite a bit actually. He's shown wit and wisdom and although I may have it wrong, is going through some pretty trying times in his life. I have to respect someone facing serious realworld problems with his sense of humor.

I've been here for awhile and read some of the forums. In general, too many people take themselves way too seriously. Its an internet forum for chrisakes! Lighten up!

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 5:15:38 PM

jillwfsub4blkdom

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Truly ironic is all i can say. You were complaining yesterday about someone's choice of topics and discussion. Now you are complaining about censorship. Doesn't make any sense. Maybe censorship is only fair when it is something you are opposed to.

jill

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 5:23:33 PM

SherriA

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bigbossman4u

If there are some unmoderated BDSM newsgroups - I've never really looked. I'd be interesting in eharing abotu it - though I suspect it would degenerate into a fairly troll infested and rotten place.

soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm was (and I believe still is) a very active newsgroup. It's unmoderated, but it does have a charter - a lesson learned when we had to abandon a.s.b due to the spamming and crap. There's very limited spam and they police that quite seriously. I met some wonderful people there over the years, and had some really amazing discussions. My understanding is that it's still a very positive forum, though I don't spend time there anymore to know for sure.

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 5:30:54 PM

stef

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It's still an active newsgoup. Not nearly as active as it used to be but there is still a decent amount of traffic.

~stef

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 5:30:58 PM

Mercnbeth

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POINT OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE....

You are talking to a ghost. If you click on it you'll find, INSIDEYOURMIND's profile is deleted.

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 5:35:47 PM

stef

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His profile was deleted a couple of hours ago but he was still showing up in the 'Active Users' list.

~stef

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 5:37:50 PM

jillwfsub4blkdom

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Merc,
Please be serious. You know he has friends here that i am sure are informing him of posts. i think i can speak to whom i choose to. Thanks anyway for your concern. i do have a Master who is well aware of what i do.

jill

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 6:52:22 PM

Bigbossman4u

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quote:

soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm was (and I believe still is) a very active newsgroup. It's unmoderated, but it does have a charter - a lesson learned when we had to abandon a.s.b due to the spamming and crap. There's very limited spam and they police that quite seriously. I met some wonderful people there over the years, and had some really amazing discussions. My understanding is that it's still a very positive forum, though I don't spend time there anymore to know for sure.

thanks dah'lin :)

i'll check it out... i'm an old usenet junkie for years hmmm.. gotta love Agent newsreader :)

btw, I had a piece of inari in your honor tongiht lol ... twas very niiice :)

best,
Joshua

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 7:18:23 PM

proudsub

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If it's the thread i am thinking of it was pulled because it was the same topic as another current active thread accorfing to ModOne.

Re: Sub Slave needs--removed posts

Please don't leave the forums because of that.

< Message edited by proudsub -- 1/21/2005 7:19:12 PM >

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 7:34:50 PM

sub4hire

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quote:

You are talking to a ghost. If you click on it you'll find, INSIDEYOURMIND's profile is deleted.

Actually the profile on the other side means nothing about this side. YOu can delete it and stay here just as he did for hours.

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RE: Censorship - 1/21/2005 11:24:34 PM

cynnacent1

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i am deleting my membership here as well in just a moment. i do not wish to feel as i have contributed to anyone's reasonings which may result in their feeling as if they need to fabricate their own facts based on thier own self serving assumptions. For these reasons, i've decided to contribute one last post prior to editing my mebership on BOTH sides of collarme.com. NO, i won't be returning. NO i won't be 'lurking'. Simply put, it's not our style, and we have no reason to come back.

quote:

YOu can delete it and stay here just as he did for hours.

It is obvious to me as i read your post, that you may not have noticed just how many times usernames will appear as logged even after a person has closed the browser window (probably due to not have clicked the 'logout' link at the top of the page). Interestingly enough, there have even been times here where i am logged onto both sides of the site with my username on His PC, and His name still remains as logged on here at the forum. He is a man of His word, He did not stay here for hours. He is no longer registered, and no longer has any interest in reading any of the posts found at this forum. It IS possible He may have forgotten that He will need to delete His membership on both sides of the site. If so, i'm sure He'll want to see to it upon waking in the morning after i have brought it to His attention.

quote:

You know he has friends here that i am sure are informing him of posts.

Don't be so sure of your assumptions, it is not very becoming to you when you are wrong. His friends who remain here know how to contact Him outside of collarme.com. He no longer holds any interest in regard to anyone's posts on this forum. Once i have deleted my membership, the same can and should be known of me as well.

quote:

InsideYourMind: I will be always grateful to Collarme because I found my wonderful submissive here, but with this post I will cancel my membership, ...

That's a big ditto for me.
InsideYourMind has made it very clear to me that it will be absolutely acceptable to Him should i choose to remain as a member and continue to participate in this forum. This is just another example of how often He and i agree regarding different subjects etc. i will alway be greatful for the site's existance and it having served as a tool for InsideYourMind and i to have finally found each other.

In light of recent events (and a few others which occured in past months which come to mind) as well as comments read here, i find nothing that would serve as a reason or interest for me to continue as a member. Regardless, be well everyone.

¸,ø¤º°cynnacent°º¤ø,¸ (proudly owned by, and devoted to INSIDEYOURMIND)

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