quote:

ORIGINAL: becca333

You know, life would be a lot simpler if we were all telepathic.

quote:

ORIGINAL: boundfem

To answer some of the posts:  My Mistress and I discussed it much throughout the time we were there amongst ourselves.  She was just mostly shocked and did not even know how to respond because She was not used to any situation like this- She's never been in a situation where someone took liberty with Her slave, it's a foreign concept to Her.   She did not ingore my feelings, it was incredibly awkward... it also was small subtle touching (until he kissed my neck) and it was not like he came up and just started flogging me or fondling my breasts.   She was much more bothered than I was (and I am a lesbian and do not sub to men at all), but again saying that She should have said something is a lot different than being in a situation where it just was uncomfortable.  She is a VERY diplomatic person in general, it is one of Her extremely wonderful attributes in my opinion.  If the Master would have done anything further, She would have said something or we would have left - we discussed that..  She did not want to create a scene (pardon the pun), but wanted to just attempt to keep his hands off of me in ways like subtlety and deflect his unwanted attention.

The Master also spoke with my Mistress before this weekend at length about lifstyle phillosophies and he portrayed to Her that he was into ownership in a way extremely similar to Her.  He introduced a few people as "his personal subs" who we then saw play with multiple other people both topping and bottoming.  Again, this is fine and to each other their own, but completely not our style or what we are into.

I do believe as one person suggested he was testing and he was trying to top my Mistress in a sense.  That too is just wrong!

He clearly portrays his parties as Lifestyle Scene events on his website, in his advertisements and in person .. not as kinky swinger parties AT ALL.

I am sorry, but to me there is NEVER a time that it is okay to put your hands on someone else unless invited to do so.  I did not find my Mistress at fault, She was attempting to be polite in someone else's house and not cause an uncomfortable vibe or scene.  I would never speak up in front of other people with my Mistres present.  It is the protocol I am used to; I would not even say I was hungry in Her presence to someone else or in front of someone else.  I completely defer to Her especially in a public scene atmosphere, but even not.   My way with Her is that it is my place to be quiet, kneel, attend to Her, defer to Her and other than polite short conversation I only speak to Her in an atmosphere like that.  When we arrived, for example, other than a polite "hello. No, the traffic wasn't bad, " from me,  She spoke to the Master exclusively.  If I had any personal problem, I would have asked to speak with Her privately or waited until I was alone and whispered to Her; we discussed the situation several times during alone moments.  I was never even not with Her for even on minute while we were there;  there was no reason to think I was available to play with or touch. 

This Master often invites single female subs to his play parties - I can not imagine the uncomfortable forwardness they have to deal with.  No one should be made to feel uncomfortable like that!  A simple, "If you feel like playing with someone, just speak up or come to me, " suffices... not just casually putting your hands all over someone (and not their sexual parts, that would cause most females to protest directly.  The subtle manner causes most to uncomfortably abide).. there is no reason to run your hands up and down someone's back or grope their arm repeatedly when you just say hello instead of a common, brief handshake - unless you have discussed it.  He does not!  He just puts his hands on people.  It's just wrong.

It's like I have often heard pregnant women complain about strangers touching their belly; even if the stranger asks, it is increcdbly startling and shocking and you are just put in an awkward position.  Sometimes, just out of the startle you might nod your head yes but it doesn't make the person doing the asking and touching right.  Some just don't even ask and assume a pregnant woman's belly is public property; the woman just feels so shocked and awkward they just wait out the incident and feel very offended nonethless.  I don't know.. I learned in kindergarten to keep my hands to myself.

Unless my Mistress said, 'Master X why don't you play with my sub and myself? Or, let me see how your crop works on my slave's hand," There is NO reason to put your hands on someone else's slave or think you are welcome to it.  Would it be different if I were a guy? Because this Master does the same things to males as he plays with anyone and everyone no matter sex, orientation or sub/Dom/me.  Imagine if you were a straight male sub and this Master came over and touched your balls .. because I witnessed him doing just that.

He is known in the scene for over twenty years.  It's not just his words.

A couple of people I know met him at TES Fest. That wasn't a play party and it certainly wasn't a swinger party.   He was extremely gropey and forward to complete strangers.  I find this disgusting in any scenario, venue, lifestyle or not.  I find that there is established protocol in the scene.. do not touch anything that does not belong to you unless you have been given permission or an invitation to do so.  I am shocked so many are sidestepping or downplaying this.

We left early the next day and did not stay throughout that day's lengthy brunch and play party as She could not wait to get out of there.  Her being invited back is independent of me.. She may or may not go, with or without me.  She doesn't even desire to go, but he announced publicly She would be the featured weekend guest Domme in another month when we were there prior to even confirming with Her.  She most likely will not go back.

My Mistress (and I am the same way) generally does not go to any Scene events -except She went to a seminar on branding at Tes Fest where She met this Master- nor play parties nor clubs, etc.

The one period of time in my life when I had a vanilla boyfriend,  I can not remember a single time when anyone (sober, perhaps it might happen when people are drinking) took the liberty to touch me in any way, shape, or form other than a polite handshake when I went somewhere with him.  I don't care that it was a "scene" event or "play party", I was shocked and find it completely inappropriate in any time, place or situation. 

quote:

Ownership in and of itself means nothing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: boundfem

To answer some of the posts:  My Mistress and I discussed it much throughout the time we were there amongst ourselves.  She was just mostly shocked and did not even know how to respond because She was not used to any situation like this- She's never been in a situation where someone took liberty with Her slave, it's a foreign concept to Her.   She did not ingore my feelings, it was incredibly awkward... it also was small subtle touching (until he kissed my neck) and it was not like he came up and just started flogging me or fondling my breasts.   She was much more bothered than I was (and I am a lesbian and do not sub to men at all), but again saying that She should have said something is a lot different than being in a situation where it just was uncomfortable.  She is a VERY diplomatic person in general, it is one of Her extremely wonderful attributes in my opinion. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: mam
It seems that along with the touching, he likes to assume to much.
You both should have said something at the time. It sounds as tho the fellow is a real ass. If he has been in the lifestyle so long and behaving this way, I wonder how he has survived?

• Always find out the protocols of a Party before hand - especially a private one.
  
• Make sure you understand the party organisers expectations and what they are used to.
  
• Communicate and don't be afraid to say no or be embarressed to do so - if you prefere to observe at first, approach the organisers and make your intentions clear.
  
• Be prepared to leave whenever you want or feel uncomfortable.

quote:

ORIGINAL: boundfem

...She was just mostly shocked and did not even know how to respond because She was not used to any situation like this- She's never been in a situation where someone took liberty with Her slave, it's a foreign concept to Her...