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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 4:57:59 AM   
DivaDuchess


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Status: offline 		SEVADom ... I can relate to what happened to you.  We have had two problems in the past ourselves.  One was a slave, the other was a Poly addition.  The slave ... I took quick care of as soon as my husband informed me of the situation.  The Poly ... was another story all together.  The plot was engaging, entertaining even.  One excuse after another and such a compelling plot.  As I writer, I can appreciate a well thought out plot.

I have an online group ... interestingly enough ... that posts quite often 'signs' of a player as well as stories of experiences.  With your permission, I would like to share your experience with them.

I will say that now, after our own history, I'm very careful.  I run the ISP through my ... well anyways, I find their specific location.  I ask for a clean picture of them standing outside the front of their home (then blow up the picture, the mail addy is usually on the front of most homes, to the right of the door as you face it.).  I do not send money to anyone, if you don't have it now, work and save it, or ... I'll arrange for a social service person to visit your poor ass self and render you some local aide *lol*.  I avoid certain places like the plague ... Nigeria for instance.

If they've been owned before, I want a phone call from that Dom/me ... at some point, I want a reference of some kind.  I'll take a certified letter that is notarized.  If I have a 'feeling' that their age isn't what they claim, I want a copy of their drivers license (block the number) ... then of course, I check to see if the addy they gave me matches the addy on the license.

Then ... when all is said an done, if this person has pushed my ... your a player ... buttons, I make a phone call and run some digits *s*.

Now ... all that, and more actually, that's just the beginning if the person is a horrible liar and gets my suspicions up from word one ... The main rule ... NEVER SEND CASH.

I'm sure there are those out there that are honest.  I've weeded out several by telling them that until they are in my home, I'm not their mother or their bank ... most have gone away.  Even had one from ... Nigeria, yea right.  She's not bothered me since I ran her ISP *giggles*




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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:11:56 AM   
Kalira


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quote:

Really?  It would never occur to me to give money to strangers whom I barely know and have never met.  And I continue not to understand why people would want others to relocate to them when they barely know them, to me this represents a huge red flag.

I would have to agree with this. I have never even been tempted to send money to a stranger from online, no matter how well I THINK I might know them. In addition, I would never move to be someone whom I had never laid eyes on.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:15:30 AM   
KatyLied


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Status: offline 		I guess I'm in the minority here, but some of the things that red flagged me were that she's living in a hotel, can fit all of her stuff in her car and wants to relocate after a very short time and is willing to relocate without meeting or building a relationship first.  That shows that she has no roots to anything and is possibly desperate and (dare I use the word), not real. Again, I don't understand why anyone would give money to a stranger.  It's a foreign concept to me.  But then I don't have the type of wealth that would allow me to do it anyway.  I'd be suspicious of someone I was in a relationship with for a short amount of time requesting money from me.  

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:32:48 AM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		You should have scammed her; have her send you collateral that's worth $700 at a pawn shop. (They're notoriously cheap)
Then if she doesn't show up you make money.
Why would anyone want a "destitute" slave anyway?
I'm not looking to take anyone's money but a sub/slave should have their own assets!
Your money probably went into the hands of a crack dealer.
Never send money to a stranger online. NEVER.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 7:20:22 AM   
Argentopal


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Status: offline 		You will all shake your heads when I tell you our little story!  This was not, at least we do not think it was, a "scam" in the typical sense of the word.  Althought I have wondered if it might have been.  About a year ago now, we met a young lady on line, tho not on CM.  We were actively looking for a young lady to join us as part of our family in a poly - Ds - bdsm long term, live in relationship.  We did not expect or even want it to happen over night and we had certain "rules" about how it would go, including emails, chats, phone calls and when the time was right, a short visit for a set time (weekend up to 2 weeks depending on the young lady's availabilty to travel, be out of college or work, etc)  After all that we would see how it felt.
Let me say that my Daddy is so trusting and wanted so much to really help someone (yes, there is that "white knight" thing) if they needed help.  So, he met this young lady on another site and began corresponding.  Then she would be "offline" for about 2 weeks while she relocated to a different state for a change in schools.  She seemed to have a good college/career plan and Daddy decided that even though it would mean waiting 2 years for her to be done with the college she had enrolled in, if we were all getting along and we could manage some in person visits back and forth, it would still work out.  She moved to a new city with no job in place, no concrete plans for income, and found an apartment through a website where people advertise for rommates.  She acted "concerned" about paying for her room and food etc, but kept saying it would all work out.

It worked out when Daddy wired her $$ for her 1st month's rent, plus a little extra just for her.  While she did not ask outright, she whined and went on about not knowing what she would do, how she would eat, even not having bus fare to get to class.  She also knew exactly how to wire $$ Western Union andknew exactly where the nearest WU place was for to go get it.  I did not approve of sending her the money and it caused some problems here for us, but in the end it was not my decision to make - I am allowed to voice opinions but the decision was his to make.

She was looking for a job but had to keep up her school work, of course.  She was borrowing her roommates computer to chat and emial, so time was limited.  Her cell phone was a pay in advance type, and she had no $$ to pay.  This was all solved when Daddy put his credit card on her cell phone account, and then sent her an "old" laptop ( I do not ahve a laptop, new or old!) so she could chat with us at better times.  He also installed a new wireless card so she could use her roommates account to chat, which the roommate was Ok with.  Her job search did not go well.  Guess who paid the second month's rent + extra for utilities?  All along I was putting together little gift boxes with packs of hot cocoa, tea, shampoo, candles, bath stuff, and so on and sending it to her (my attempt to be nice to someone Daddy obviously liked a lot).
She did get a job and things "fell apart" when Daddy got upset over her not returning phone calls for over a week, not doing any of the things he requested of her (like sening us an email everyday just telling us what she had done, how school was, work, etc - not long just a note each day.  He finally set a time limit and told her she HAD to set aside one evening after work to call us and gave her a four day time frame to select from so as not to make too difficult for her with school and work.  We got NO call at all.  A week later he sent her an email asking her what was going on.  No reply.  Finally he left another message on her voice mail saying it appeared to us as if she was not interested and perhaps it was time to end things. That call was returned in about 2 minutes, literally!  He again set a time limit for her to set aside time for a good phone call so we could talk about what was going on.  A week later, no call, no emials.  So we both wrote her an email telling her how sorry we were that things had not worked out and wished her good luck.  That got an emial response belittling us about our lack of patience and how we must not have been serious to allow "one little blip" to end the relationship!

Our cost  .... more than $2,000.00!  And yes, it was "tuition" and Daddy promised to listen more carefully when I tried to caution him!  Ah well, live and learn - and we are not especially gullible and have "been around the block" before.  It can happen to all of us depending on the circumstances.

MsOpal

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 7:29:52 AM   
SEVADom


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Status: offline 		Please feel free to post the message elsewhere if you feel it might be useful.

To others who provided other 'red flags' and litmus tests -- thanks! Some very good suggestions there.

To all who provided sympathy, I appreciate it. I still feel pretty stupid, but even that isn't all bad; it makes it that much less likely that this could happen again.

And to those who wouldn't have done something similar because of the various reasons you stated -- I'm glad to hear it. Just remember not to lower your 'threshholds' because a chance seems better than no chance. As George Carlin said (admittedly in a completely different context), "You gotta' wanna ..." -- or you become much more difficult to scam.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 8:00:24 AM   
MisPandora


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

It was an unusually well thought out scam. I suspect many may have fallen for it.


Really?  It would never occur to me to give money to strangers whom I barely know and have never met.  And I continue not to understand why people would want others to relocate to them when they barely know them, to me this represents a huge red flag.


I'm with you, katy.  I'd have flown there to check her out, at least.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 8:23:12 AM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		I am beginning to think there are those out there who enjoy ‘scamming’…even if it doesn’t include money!  I’ve been through it two or three times now…over more than a year.
 
It starts with an online e-mail…we exchange pleasantries, then interests both vanilla and BDSM it about our daily lives, more interests…  You know; “Getting to know you” stuff.  
 
I have come to understand long-distance is not a good idea; so of course these scammers tell me they are a pilot with a plane, or are nearly retired and soon able to relocate…anything that vaguely makes sense to me.  And some are not long-distance, of course.
 
I don’t cyber, sexually or D/s…so conversations don’t go there; though I’m no prude and feel comfortable discussing many things with them (you all may have seen that here on Cm).  We discuss cooking, restaurants, books, gardening…many things.
 
We discuss interest in D/s; how it would work, what it is we’re looking for, past experiences...that we both have homes, lives; are capable of managing by ourselves, but would like a partner with which to share life and WIITWD. 
 
All goes well, though I’m obviously interested in going slow because I’ve been ‘scammed’ in this way before.  We discuss trust; I’ve been counseled by these people about how this lack of it inhibits relationship development not to mention that it is insulting.  <sigh>  Of course, I try very hard to buy into all this…I DO want to trust, afterall.  (yeah, I wanna...)
 
All this transpires over a couple weeks or perhaps a month while we set up a time to meet.  Sometimes a few short telephone calls are included…but most often not.  We spend several days discussing the upcoming meet; excitedly telling one another how pleased we are…how special I seem, how long we have been looking, how who I seem to be is what they’ve longed for…yada yada yada.
 
And then they disappear; sometimes with a note, sometimes not; sometimes their profiles are removed, sometimes not.  There has never been talk of money or ‘free support’ by either of us; but it still feels like some sorta scam.  And I really don’t see what one gets from the time and energy poured into this kind of trick.
 
Because I KNOW this is the internet…and because I DO use other methods of meeting people in the lifestyle (munches, clubs, friend’s parties), and because I’ve been through this before and refuse to let much time get invested, really…my heart is not broken; but I do get disappointed.  
 
And it seems a shame to keep feeding the lack of trust I’m developing for ANYBODY online…I know most people are not like this...I just don't understand the motives of people who are. 
 
beverly
 

< Message edited by Bearlee -- 10/12/2006 8:28:52 AM >

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 8:30:36 AM   
stockingluvr54


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Status: offline 		Bummer.....!!!!!

I don't trust anyone anymores....it has to be earned over time. Sorry you got scammed. I always figured that if by any chance I ever connect with a lady from out of town and we try the "relocate" thing.... I decided a long time ago that she'd have to figure out a way to get to me and after seeing her reciepts for the expenses....then I'd reimburse her for the trip...in person...eye to eye......  Kinda figure that if she has enough going for herself to afford her way out....then she's probably got at least one quality I need....to not be dependant? jmo......

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 8:36:30 AM   
SEVADom


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Status: offline 		MisPandora -

I considered flying out. This reminds me of another detail I had forgotten to mention.

She consistently (and, I thought, intelligently) focused on her own safety. She was going to make safe calls both during her drive, and as appropriate during the first few weeks with me -- all good, right?

But when I offered to fly out, both to meet and drive back with her (we're talking about roughly 3000 miles here, a very long drive), she said that she would be uncomfortable about being alone together during that trip because of the increased risk of being in anonymous locations along the way (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea). I know, but it made sense at the time.

One other thing worth mentioning -- everyone has a different threshhold of monetary risk and pain. To some, advancing any amount greater than $0 without way more confirmation than I had (or even at all) would be out of the question. To others (like me), putting $350 at risk is certainly not a good thing, but risking it isn't out of the question -- and losing it, like for some losing money at the tables in Vegas, is frustrating but not a disaster. Some have far higher threshholds of risk than I do. (See for example MsOpal's tale above. You have my sympathy, MsOpal!)

Also, the cost (if it had been real, a one-time cost) of driving was somewhat less than flying out there and back. Had I flown either of us for a meeting, and it turned out to be phony, I'd have blown slightly more than I lost in this case. Had it turned out to be real, I'd have spent way more (both the flight and the trip). Put another way, my cost to find out that she was not real was less this way -- but traveling would have increased my cost (and time and effort wasted) significantly without improving any other aspect of the situation ... other than perhaps the emotional one (I win! I found you out without sending you money!).

Of course, had I insisted on flying there, it might have fallen through right then, in which case I wouldn't have spent money. On the other hand, she might have let me fly there just for spite, and not be findable when I arrived. That would be way worse than what actually happened, in my mind anyway. Instead of sitting here at my computer discussing it, I'd be alone in California sitting in my rental car in front of a closed business, or sitting in the airport leaving voice messages on her cell phone asking why she hadn't picked me up.

Believe it or not, I actually thought through pretty much all of the above during the process; this part is not an after-the-fact analysis. I risked and lost the $350 on the chance that it was real.

Oh, and an aside -- one of the smartest things she did was let me set the actual amount I sent her -- and she didn't push for more. She'd already laid the groundwork, so she could just sit back and let me euchre myself.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 8:47:56 AM   
Mavis


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Status: offline 		wow.  i'm wondering..  if you work about 3-5 guys per week on this, then flip them after 5 weeks each,  hey, even at a couple of hundred per..  not a bad income!    i feel bad now, i never had the ability to rope in anyone that easily, i don't even flirt that well.  Damn.  some girls have it all.

At that rate, i'll bet she could own a hotel better than the motel she was claiming to live in.  lol.   Sorry SEVADom, that's really horrible.  

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 9:58:54 AM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		That is really sad.  $350 goes a long way towards putting food on the table.  Sorry to hear this, but at the same time it is yet another reason why you do not search online for a mate.  There is a reason they are there, just remember that.

The benefit of the whole thing will be in if you learned from your mistake, which it sounds like you have.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 9:59:11 AM   
gypsygrl


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Status: offline 		I think you have a great attitude here, SEVADom.  There's some red flags, sure.  But, nothing stunningly outside the realm of plausibility.  You didn't risk more than you could afford to lose, and, from what I can tell, you're keeping your ego out of it.  And, I think the analogy with gambling works.

I've gotten myself in similar situations.  Once, I gave a car to someone I had been talking to on-line and meeting every once and again off line.  It was a junker, I was getting another car and didn't really know how to get rid of it.  I suppose I could have sold it for a couple hundred dollars, but that would have been more hassle so I gave it away.  Once I gave it to him, he mentioned he didnt have money for registration, so I let him do a couple of tattoos (he was a tatoo artist, and had a portable set up) and paid him a hundred dollars for that.  Shortly after that, he decided he didnt want anything to do with me.    I wasn't surprised or anything because I 'knew' all along that he was a bit dodgy and kept careful account of my losses.  After the initial hurt wore off, I was like, ok, did I lose anything important?  Nah.   Would I do it again?  Probably not, but, until I'm faced with the situation, who knows?  I might decide to gamble again and see what happens.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 10:25:55 AM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		OMG! I think I just thought of the best scam ever; anti-scam insurance for internet users!

Basically, you sign up and send me USD 100-00 for twelve months' cover. If you get scammed during this period, I will refund your losses in full. How's that for a great deal? How's that for making the internet a much safer place?

Mind you, when you claim you must understand that according to the smallprint of the policy, I am free to change profile ID, email addresses and whatever else it takes to evade paying up.

Cant say fairer than that!

BTW - that was humour people OK? And please dont flame me for it, I already posted a sympathetic response to Seva on page 1!

E

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 11:16:03 AM   
MasterKalif


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bearlee

I am beginning to think there are those out there who enjoy ‘scamming’…even if it doesn’t include money!  I’ve been through it two or three times now…over more than a year.
 
It starts with an online e-mail…we exchange pleasantries, then interests both vanilla and BDSM it about our daily lives, more interests…  You know; “Getting to know you” stuff.  
 
I have come to understand long-distance is not a good idea; so of course these scammers tell me they are a pilot with a plane, or are nearly retired and soon able to relocate…anything that vaguely makes sense to me.  And some are not long-distance, of course.
 
I don’t cyber, sexually or D/s…so conversations don’t go there; though I’m no prude and feel comfortable discussing many things with them (you all may have seen that here on Cm).  We discuss cooking, restaurants, books, gardening…many things.
 
We discuss interest in D/s; how it would work, what it is we’re looking for, past experiences...that we both have homes, lives; are capable of managing by ourselves, but would like a partner with which to share life and WIITWD. 
 
All goes well, though I’m obviously interested in going slow because I’ve been ‘scammed’ in this way before.  We discuss trust; I’ve been counseled by these people about how this lack of it inhibits relationship development not to mention that it is insulting.  <sigh>  Of course, I try very hard to buy into all this…I DO want to trust, afterall.  (yeah, I wanna...)
 
All this transpires over a couple weeks or perhaps a month while we set up a time to meet.  Sometimes a few short telephone calls are included…but most often not.  We spend several days discussing the upcoming meet; excitedly telling one another how pleased we are…how special I seem, how long we have been looking, how who I seem to be is what they’ve longed for…yada yada yada.
 
And then they disappear; sometimes with a note, sometimes not; sometimes their profiles are removed, sometimes not.  There has never been talk of money or ‘free support’ by either of us; but it still feels like some sorta scam.  And I really don’t see what one gets from the time and energy poured into this kind of trick.
 
Because I KNOW this is the internet…and because I DO use other methods of meeting people in the lifestyle (munches, clubs, friend’s parties), and because I’ve been through this before and refuse to let much time get invested, really…my heart is not broken; but I do get disappointed.  
 
And it seems a shame to keep feeding the lack of trust I’m developing for ANYBODY online…I know most people are not like this...I just don't understand the motives of people who are. 
 
beverly
 


Bearlee, what you wrote is interesting because I have come accross it many times....and then its off to yahoo and then they dissappear....so Im like....what was the point? why wast your time and my time like that? Its just plain ridicolous....hence now whenever someone tells me they want to go on yahoo, I force them to chat on here....I really don't get it, even as a joke its boring and not funny.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 11:22:04 AM   
MasterKalif


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Status: offline 		gypsy girl and others....Im really shocked how people are so easy going with their money...wish someone had given me a car when I needed it the most! lol....in any case, Im not too surprised, this is the only country in the world that Ive seen people throw out perfectly good things that still work....tv's, vcrs, workable furniture, etc....(ok true I saw that in Germany a few times).....and the college kids are the ones that do it most, even throwing out brand-new microwaves because they are dirty...I can't put my finger if its a culture of consumism or just plain that money is available....where Im from, people even sell tv sets that are broken (so they can be fixed, but I realize in the US that would be like getting a new one).

anyways people be careful and let your motto be send money? never. One way I logically think about it too, besides the motive as ExSteele put it, I say to myself...my uncle asked me for money and I turned him down, and he is family...so why would I give money to someone I don't know? "Always think the worst, and you will be right".

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 11:27:05 AM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear SEVADom, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I was sad to read how you were scammed.  It just makes it that much more difficult for one and all to be trusting.
 
I was milling in my mind the situation, to which my mind's eye saw that the community could be of help in some cases; to which contacting a local BDSM, S&M, M/s and or D/s group to check out the area and or address.  No contact is needed to varify an address but, then posed the question in my mind's eye; how does one know that person is involved in the scam or actually visited the place and or person.
 
It would be wonderful, it the ability to network would also help individuals out, as to identify somebody is for real or not. 
 
It is my mind's eye, that sees SEVADom is trying to be a good person and a gentleman, more than in words but, in deeds.  We often appeal to the community to help; as been the case lately with Master Doug Harris from Atlanta, also known as Papa.  So, it really is hard to say no at times but, it is easier to do in other cases; especially when the person is known.

I applaud the spirit of intent that SEVADom exhibited.  Sadly, the evil intent of this 'unidentified' female; besmirched the endeavour.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 2:22:33 PM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		I don't get it either, Kalif.  I suppose I should be thankful I didn't fly half-way across the country to meet the guy (something I wouldn't do for this very reason).
 
It just makes no sense to me...unless they are just wannabe's who chicken out!  Perhaps I should count myself lucky...
 
beverly

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You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 3:27:19 PM   
roughleather


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Status: offline 		You have enough info to find her, you know. You have two cell phone numbers. There are reverse phone number searches, ways to find out what someone's new cell phone number was after a change, and more things that can be accomplished with private detectives.



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RE: You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 3:35:07 PM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: roughleather

You have enough info to find her, you know. You have two cell phone numbers. There are reverse phone number searches, ways to find out what someone's new cell phone number was after a change, and more things that can be accomplished with private detectives.





That doesn't work with pre-paid phones though and, in reality, what law has she broken? It's truly a matter of he said/she said and hiring a PI is an expensive proposition. Ok, say he finds her.. then what? He can't even claim the money he sent was a loan that she agreed to pay back without some sort of proof. Judge Judy would eat him alive. I think he's got the exact right attitude on this one.. chalk it up to a life lesson and warn others about the possibility of it happening again.. and to them.

Celeste

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"Oh, so it's just like
Rock, paper, scissors."

He laughed. "You are the wisest woman I know."


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