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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 3:41:29 PM   
LadyJulieAnn


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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

That is really sad.  $350 goes a long way towards putting food on the table.  Sorry to hear this, but at the same time it is yet another reason why you do not search online for a mate.  There is a reason they are there, just remember that.

The benefit of the whole thing will be in if you learned from your mistake, which it sounds like you have.


Several of us have found our mates online, and never had to spend a penny.   Common sense and time pay off, in my opinion.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 3:42:19 PM   
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You may well be correct that she could be found. But I happen to have a pretty good idea what PIs cost, and it would be in the area of as much again as is already gone -- to start, and with no guarantee of success.

I have records of the email correspondance -- but as Celeste says, exactly what would be my basis for suing? I'd almost certainly have to physically go to CA, which would cost a minimum of about $350 round trip, plus a rental and a hotel for ... how long? And I doubt the Sacramento DA would be interested for a paltry $350.

I considered, briefly, something along one of these lines. For $thousands it probably would be worth my while. But for $350? Better just to write it off and focus on lessons learned.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 3:47:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I guess I'm in the minority here, but some of the things that red flagged me were that she's living in a hotel, can fit all of her stuff in her car and wants to relocate after a very short time and is willing to relocate without meeting or building a relationship first.  That shows that she has no roots to anything and is possibly desperate and (dare I use the word), not real. Again, I don't understand why anyone would give money to a stranger.  It's a foreign concept to me.  But then I don't have the type of wealth that would allow me to do it anyway.  I'd be suspicious of someone I was in a relationship with for a short amount of time requesting money from me.  


You aren't the only one.  The minute a prospective anything told me they were living in a motel, I'd be running in the other direction for all of the reasons you mentioned.

C~ scam free so far in life.


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RE: You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 3:48:27 PM   
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One of the worst things about this sort of scam is that there are people who are perfectly genuine, who really are in trouble through no fault of their own, or are truly searching for a real relationship.  And scammers like this make it so much more difficult for those people to make contacts and build relationships.

I also hate scams that are based on the abuse of a person's kind impulses - she played on a man's protective instincts.  Again, making things harder for genuine people.

I don't like the legal classification of 'fraud' for these sorts of crimes, or the ridiculously light sentences the con artists receive.  It's theft.  It's a calculated crime that abuses kind instincts and reduces the whole community.

Ohhh I feel better now.  I do so love a good venting.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 3:49:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Argentopal

You will all shake your heads when I tell you our little story!  This was not, at least we do not think it was, a "scam" in the typical sense of the word.  Althought I have wondered if it might have been.  About a year ago now, we met a young lady on line, tho not on CM.  We were actively looking for a young lady to join us as part of our family in a poly - Ds - bdsm long term, live in relationship.  We did not expect or even want it to happen over night and we had certain "rules" about how it would go, including emails, chats, phone calls and when the time was right, a short visit for a set time (weekend up to 2 weeks depending on the young lady's availabilty to travel, be out of college or work, etc)  After all that we would see how it felt.
Let me say that my Daddy is so trusting and wanted so much to really help someone (yes, there is that "white knight" thing) if they needed help.  So, he met this young lady on another site and began corresponding.  Then she would be "offline" for about 2 weeks while she relocated to a different state for a change in schools.  She seemed to have a good college/career plan and Daddy decided that even though it would mean waiting 2 years for her to be done with the college she had enrolled in, if we were all getting along and we could manage some in person visits back and forth, it would still work out.  She moved to a new city with no job in place, no concrete plans for income, and found an apartment through a website where people advertise for rommates.  She acted "concerned" about paying for her room and food etc, but kept saying it would all work out.

It worked out when Daddy wired her $$ for her 1st month's rent, plus a little extra just for her.  While she did not ask outright, she whined and went on about not knowing what she would do, how she would eat, even not having bus fare to get to class.  She also knew exactly how to wire $$ Western Union andknew exactly where the nearest WU place was for to go get it.  I did not approve of sending her the money and it caused some problems here for us, but in the end it was not my decision to make - I am allowed to voice opinions but the decision was his to make.

She was looking for a job but had to keep up her school work, of course.  She was borrowing her roommates computer to chat and emial, so time was limited.  Her cell phone was a pay in advance type, and she had no $$ to pay.  This was all solved when Daddy put his credit card on her cell phone account, and then sent her an "old" laptop ( I do not ahve a laptop, new or old!) so she could chat with us at better times.  He also installed a new wireless card so she could use her roommates account to chat, which the roommate was Ok with.  Her job search did not go well.  Guess who paid the second month's rent + extra for utilities?  All along I was putting together little gift boxes with packs of hot cocoa, tea, shampoo, candles, bath stuff, and so on and sending it to her (my attempt to be nice to someone Daddy obviously liked a lot).
She did get a job and things "fell apart" when Daddy got upset over her not returning phone calls for over a week, not doing any of the things he requested of her (like sening us an email everyday just telling us what she had done, how school was, work, etc - not long just a note each day.  He finally set a time limit and told her she HAD to set aside one evening after work to call us and gave her a four day time frame to select from so as not to make too difficult for her with school and work.  We got NO call at all.  A week later he sent her an email asking her what was going on.  No reply.  Finally he left another message on her voice mail saying it appeared to us as if she was not interested and perhaps it was time to end things. That call was returned in about 2 minutes, literally!  He again set a time limit for her to set aside time for a good phone call so we could talk about what was going on.  A week later, no call, no emials.  So we both wrote her an email telling her how sorry we were that things had not worked out and wished her good luck.  That got an emial response belittling us about our lack of patience and how we must not have been serious to allow "one little blip" to end the relationship!

Our cost  .... more than $2,000.00!  And yes, it was "tuition" and Daddy promised to listen more carefully when I tried to caution him!  Ah well, live and learn - and we are not especially gullible and have "been around the block" before.  It can happen to all of us depending on the circumstances.

MsOpal


It kinda sounds like he was blinded by the lure of young hot woman.  Its a plague that can afflict many a man.

C~


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RE: You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 4:02:57 PM   
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MasterKalif, I know, it looks bad giving away a car and all that, like I'm irresponsible. 

I don't generally hang out with mercenary people, and had once, many years ago, been given a car myself, so it didn't seem that out of line. I've been hanging around universities all my adult life, and am familiar with throwaways and leftovers.  In fact, pretty near everything in my apartment was either found by a dumpster or given to me by a friend who was moving on to the next stage of their life.  And, when I'm done with the stuff, I either set it by the dumpster for someone else, or give it to someone who needs it.

I don't know.  I really do try not to be a sucker, but to be so tight that I never get screwed...I've never been able to do that.  I am just careful not to risk anything I can't afford to lose. 

I don't want to hijack the thread.  But, I agree with Bearlee, whenever I get on yahoo things go bad.  In this communities and others, I tend to stay "on-site."



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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 4:14:34 PM   
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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 4:51:12 PM   
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I have personally had people offer me money to relocate or meet them or whatever.. I always say no.. I've been known to joke with local people when meeting them for coffee.. do you promise not to kill me?
it's unsafe to meet strangers like that.. finacially and physcially
I would question the motives of a woman who's willing to put herself in a dangerous situation like that..

and I haven't read the whole thread so I hope I'm not repeating what others have said
-elligan

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:27:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied It would never occur to me to give money to strangers whom I barely know and have never met. 


katy
 
the thing is that it is easy to say that, but after talking intimately for a while you feel like you do know them...and then they are not strangers they are family....it is part of the plan of the scammer.
 
Sevadom,
 
i know why you did this, because you have a heart, you are kind and compassionate and believe the best in people.
 
it concerns me to hear you call yourself an idiot though, you weren't, you were you, and she was she, and for what ever reason your paths crossed, is all.
 
there are no bad, nor good events in this world, only events, and we can choose to assign what ever meaning we want at any point, but choosing to assign the meaning that it is a scam and that you have been duped might not serve you as well as trying to think of it as a wonderful thing.
 
you learned something about yourself
you stayed true to who you are
you helped out some one in need
you are better stronger and wiser then you were before.
 
now you may look at me like i just drank funny koolaid, but i did not, let yourself off the hook here, and see it in a positive light, and maybe even take yourself out to dinner, or fly here and i will take you out to dinner, to celebrate how awesome you are, because you are capable of keeping your end of a bargain, being authentic in relationships, being dependable, honorable, and compassionate..
 
if you change even one of those things because of this event then, and only then, will she have stolen something of value.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:33:32 PM   
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I very much agree with you CT.  I mean, it's easy to sit on the this side and say you would never, ever fall for anything.  That is why these people get away with it though, they earn your trust and confidence.  I always feel it must be so boring going through life so perfect that you never make any mistakes.
 
You sound like you have a good heart, don't let someone like that mess it up and make you jaded.  Like CT said, you do, she wins. 
 
Sorry it happened to you, please take care.
 
Masters Akasha

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:46:37 PM   
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wow sexy pic awsome to see you, and it looks like some congratulations are in order....*hug* i am happy for you, beautiful butterfly.
 
one of my guilty pleasures used to be scam baiting, basically writing back to these folks and wasting their time. the thought of scam baiter's is that each moment spent wasting a scammers time is time they cant use hurting folks.
 
like the OP said they are so easy to spot, and fun to toy with but i started to get to know them over time and we would slowly begin to trust each other, and ill be honest i offered my love and compassion to them, it became less about toying with a "scammer" as it became reaching out to another fellow human being....and i cant tell you how good that feels.
 
i decided not to judge them, i decided judging them was hurting me, keeping me separate and superior, i decided that that attitude was not supporting my true intention of loving people....and some times the people that are the hardest to love are the ones that need it the most...
 
i love loving people, i love moving through my revulsion judgment fear and prejudice, i love seeing the good in "bad" people, that is my new guilty pleasure....and i cant tell you how good it feels.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/12/2006 5:54:29 PM   
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Thank you, CT.. I am very happy.
 
I try to look for good also.  I mean, maybe this chicky really needed the money and didn't know how to get it.  I don't know, we have all been in a bad way sometimes.  I would never hurt anyone else to get it, but some people would.
 
I think for this to be an open site of people that are judged "freaks" by most of society, we are some of the most judgemental of all.  I guess if it makes others think because they can type some words on a keyboard that they are far more superior in intelligence then the rest of us, then I very much feel sorry for them.
 
Everyone does have good in them.  Probably even a serial killer has people that they love (okay, reaching..lol).
 
Just don't let the bad ones get you down and keep you from thinking that there is something and someone better out there.  Take the lessons you learned and move on. 
 
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RE: You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 5:55:50 PM   
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Gypsygirl,
I don't think you are irresponsable, I think you did what you felt was right. Im just saying I wish someone had taken pity on me when I didn't have a car, lol. I am glad you picked stuff up to at colleges, cause when I did, everyone around me was shocked and didn't get it....except for my Russian roomate lol.

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RE: You can find her, you know. - 10/12/2006 5:57:05 PM   
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CT, well put...

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/13/2006 1:20:31 AM   
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I have spent 4 yrs on on-line dating sites there are a lot of gals who were scamed by these con artists.  I had one guy try to scam me out of $300.00 to buy his supposed son a birthday gift.  His ruse was if I was going to be the childs mother I should want to spend money on him.  I said I didn't feel that $300.00 for a gift for a child birthday where I had yet to meet the father was quit appropriate.  The gift could wait till we met.  He kept insisting.  Finally I just told him off, and notified the adminestraitor of the site, he was kicked off it. 

I know of a lot of gals young, middle age and older ones who have fell for these morons.  Some are very good.  Some are very clever some just get lucky.  The best way is to never send money especially cash if it is done as a ticket make sure if it, - the ticket- is returned, the money is returned back to the purchaser of the ticket not the name on it.  Everyone has to decide for themselves what chances to take.  How much are you willing to lose to find what you want?
That I think is the bigger question.  Are you willing to lose $300-500-or even 800 to find the right person for you?  No one but you can answer that.  I myself do not know.  I know I will not lose my self respect or principles.  Other than that, I honestly can not say.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/13/2006 1:45:04 AM   
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hello i know several ones that seem quite lagitament like i wilsend you packages from africa and you can send them  to africa becasuemail from the states do  not  cost as much to send something over seas my question why send me something that is already there  to me tosend back? always follow your inrinuatin

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/13/2006 3:01:12 AM   
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Sorry to hear about what happened to you. I can certainly empathize with you as although I haven't sent money to anyone I HAVE been hurt a couple of times by men that have disappeared on me. It really is disappointing when someone leads you on and then disappears!

Having a man take the time to lead me on by spending time with me, chatting, e-mails and phone painting a grand picture of our plans for the future. It just blows me away that there are those that can be so unfeeling.

Unfortunately for me this has left me at times doubting the wisdom of continuing my search for a life companion who is the type of man I need/want/desire...does one continue their search using all avenues available ie: real life and on-line or just give up and be content with their life as it is now? I am not sure what I will wind up doing...and meanwhile, I search but with much more skepticism than before. *S*

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/13/2006 3:38:50 AM   
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"Having a man take the time to lead me on by spending time with me, chatting, e-mails and phone painting a grand picture of our plans for the future. It just blows me away that there are those that can be so unfeeling."  subbie 12

Women do the same thing...lead a man on, then appearently finding a 'better deal', they're gone. 
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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/13/2006 4:01:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569

"Having a man take the time to lead me on by spending time with me, chatting, e-mails and phone painting a grand picture of our plans for the future. It just blows me away that there are those that can be so unfeeling."  subbie 12

Women do the same thing...lead a man on, then appearently finding a 'better deal', they're gone. 
                                               'hawk




I agree, both genders do this and it is equally wrong. There is never any justifiable reason to treat a person in such a disrespectful way.

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RE: A cautionary tale of a successful scam (warning -- ... - 10/13/2006 4:16:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Anyone who pretends NEVER to have fallen for a scam is a liar.



Wow!  What a harsh, broad statement that is not true from one I thought to be such an intelligent individual.  I guess you were driven by the moment when you read  Iskander's post.  I can tell you I have never been scammed.  I'm not that trusting.  At leat  not knowingly.  However, to call everyone who  "pretends" to not have ever been scammed a liar.  Oh well!

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