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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 6:58:40 AM   
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I thought so.. no heart.. no love.. you must love the object.. the emotionless person. Good Luck in finding that in real life...


And Lord help you if you do.
I'd not want to be saddled with the baggage that likely comes with that deal.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 6:58:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		it sounds like to me, that one should be honoured to be in your life? and should the slave be happy with you?,i will agree with , twice happy, i dont think your looking for relationship but and easy way out for someone to pay , everyone has a opinion on many things, my idea is someone i think who is in there 30's as such, is in there for the money , and not seeking a relationship, however i think someone older in there 40's i beleive are seeking that relationship , where they know what they like and want with someone, everyone does have an opinion on this,remember everyone loves money and paper makes the world go round

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 6:59:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Hello A/all,

This is very true.  When I have been looking, I generally seek the whole package.

But that is just me and I could be wrong.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 7:05:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

It seems like the heart and love has gotten involved here. I can't seem to find the requirement that says that you have to fall in love with a slave.

Only because you are bringing it in.
Love does not equate to submission, or visa versa.
And the heart has nothing to do with love at all.  And as a 'requirement' - again it isnt written in stone.  What are you searching for, a stone tablet with 'BDSM RULES 101' etched into it?  For some to submit or be enslaved, love IS a requirement - but by no way does it mean that everyone does.  There is no hard and fast rules all must stick to, so the question is why are you trying to make them?  You have your mantra, your religion (for that is what belief is), you are the god of your system - so just be concerned about the followers you desire to attract and don't be so concerned with those that don't follow your path.
 
I would suggest you stop reading online and start venturing into life.
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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 7:12:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Ok as usual picking this up from another post. Slaves. Should you please a slave?


You should do whatever it is as a dominant you wish to do with your slave. <pretty simplistic I know.. but why make things more difficult than they need be eh?>

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 7:15:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

It seems like the heart and love has gotten involved here. I can't seem to find the requirement that says that you have to fall in love with a slave.


You do not have to but i think many will tell you they do love their slaves. However even the point of love is irrelevant, either you care for them, which includes them finding both you and the relationship pleasing or in most cases you will not have a slave for long.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 7:30:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
If you ask her i am sure LA will provide you with all the pertinent links.

I think the submissives comment was to bring up the fact that NO relationship is going to last if all partners concerned are not getting what they want or need from it.

We've only had like 3-4 on that one I think, but they were pretty good ones.

I completely agree with you- personal long term relationships are about mutual fulfillment.  That doesn't mean everyone spends their whole lives just waiting and thinking "What can I do?  I gotta make them happy!" but it means that it's not about being a martyr and suffering for the other eternally as well.

My heart REALLY goes out to all those subs and slaves and masters who are convinced that they cannot be in a relationship that is absolutely fulfilling to them.  I've had people who pity me because I'm happy with just fucking or just playing- but at least I'm getting exactly what works for me and NEVER settle.

Don't we get into this to be WHO WE ARE?  Why do so many then turn around and make up rules which would deny them so MUCH of who they are and the fulfillment they could acheive?  Are they afraid to truly give that to themselves?  Do they simply not understand that they really CAN have it all?  Do they get themselves caught in drama too much?

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:09:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		someone mentioned what i also think is a key to this lifestyle: there isnt a stone tablet of bdsms 10 commandments anywhere; you do what works for you and dont condemn those who differ; opinions=asses:we all got one, lol; this is an interesting thread to read, my comps to all who contributed and special comps to those who treat even the subs/slaves with respect....

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:26:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I don't buy that if you dont please a slave they will leave you. A slave is a slave for a Masters pleasure not the other way around. Granted a Master has to look out for the slaves well being. But they are not there to kiss the slaves ass.  As for me I have no interest in owning a slave.


Why does pleasing someone equal kissing their ass?

I do not kiss ass to anyone, not even my Daddy, unless he ordered me to. "s" type person does not equal ass kisser.

Pleasing your "s" type person is a way to make sure they stay mentally well and healthy. Someone that walks around displeased all the time is not going to be of service.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:28:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Enlighten me please. What is the purpose of owning a slave verse having a submissive.?  Losttreasure. I left out owning a submissive on purpose. This was only about slaves. It seems we have slaves acting like submissives here.


I have to say you need to review sub v slave debate threads....

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:37:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

...Don't we get into this to be WHO WE ARE?  Why do so many then turn around and make up rules which would deny them so MUCH of who they are and the fulfillment they could acheive?  Are they afraid to truly give that to themselves?  Do they simply not understand that they really CAN have it all?  Do they get themselves caught in drama too much?


brilliantly said, as usual, LA

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:37:55 AM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		as a slave, i would have to say that whether or not a Master pleases his slave or not is entirely up to that Master. a slave is property and as such, is not entitled/obligated to anything, including, love, concern, orgasms, happiness, or whatever else. however it is true that a great deal of Masters do indeed care for their slaves and try to please their slaves, at least on occasion.
my Master certainly cares for me very much, and he does many little things to please me or bring a smile to my face...however as my Master he does not have to do those things, there is no law saying he must treat me kindly...nor does he treat me so kindly all the time. also the statement that an unhappy slave will eventually leave...that is not necessarily true. a slave does not have the right to leave of their own free will, and there are those Masters out there who take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:46:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

a slave does not have the right to leave of their own free will, and there are those Masters out there who take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave.


You may not have the "right" to leave (though I suspect that you would "discover" that right if it should become necessary) but making a blanket statement for all slaves is, at the very least, inappropriate.  People have what rights are agreed upon within their relationship, not those that are "granted" them by.... ummmm... anyone else.
 
And those that "take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave" are called abusers.  They're found in any of your local, state or federal prisons, and really have nothing whatsoever to do with the lifestyle.
 
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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:55:39 AM   
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a slave does not have the right to leave of their own free will, and there are those Masters out there who take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave.


You may not have the "right" to leave (though I suspect that you would "discover" that right if it should become necessary) but making a blanket statement for all slaves is, at the very least, inappropriate.  People have what rights are agreed upon within their relationship, not those that are "granted" them by.... ummmm... anyone else.
 
And those that "take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave" are called abusers.  They're found in any of your local, state or federal prisons, and really have nothing whatsoever to do with the lifestyle.
 
John


John, i will have to respectfully disagree with you there. i would not call such a Master an abuser, simply a Master who wishes to keep their property, by any means necessary. also as we understand the concept of slavery, a slave does not have any rights, including the right to leave. now of course an Owner may grant whatever privileges to the slave he pleases, but rights are something else. but naturally i understand all may not agree with our views, and that's fine, variety is what makes the world go round.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 8:55:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I must say... well written reply LuckyAlbatross,..  I can agree fully with what you have said. 

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 9:00:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I do know my place as the slave in the relationship, I also know that Master wants me happy.  I know that it's about Him and making sure He is pleased, but He makes sure I know that He wants me pleased and to enjoy things also.
 
I guess there are subs/slaves out there that don't think they deserve to be pleased, or don't think it's right they are.  There are plenty of Doms that agree with them, so I think it's best to let them have at it.
 
I much prefer my Master that not only knows I need to be happy, but will make sure I am.
 
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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 9:04:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CucholdsLady

If a Dominant does not or is not supposed to care about pleasing the slave, why do slave profiles allow them to select areas of interest and skill levels,


A dominant did not make up that page of selections available and/or there are some people who are submissives who are also applying on that page?

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...why bother searching for a particular type of sub or slave, why not just pick one and get to it, 


Because the dominant wants to be pleased with them? Allows the dominant to select someone who has the right attributes?

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...and why do Dominants almost always ask what a slave is trained in and enjoys in the lifestyle when interviewing them?


This is a mystery to me, unless they want to know if someone has at least rudimentary acclimation to living as 'property'

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If you aren't going to care about pleasing them in the future, why make them think you do in the beginning?


I never did personally... I find that romantic BS to be rather "much" (makes me want to "yak")

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 It can't be defined as "a relationship" unless you care about each other.


This is incorrect - people can have any sort of "relationship" and not care about one another - look at prisoners and jailers (as one example)

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 If you don't, it's just a convenient excuse for non-commitment promiscuity.


NOW you are catching on... and it can be long term!!

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I wouldn't want a slave I didn't care about pleasing in some way each day. I like them devoted and loyal.


Just because you (or, I) donot "care for" someone, does not mean that they do not "care for" you (or, I). This is an incorrect assumption and it is played out rather thouroughly in text studies of psychological models for specific situations where it is an actuality.

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 I don't believe I (nor anyone else) would be able to keep one for long (except in a cage or shackles) if I were unconcerned with their happiness...in the immortal words of Jayne, "...Where does that get fun?"


Once again you are assuming your morals and means on other people... my relationships are not based in romanticism, but in a symbiosis of needs being met... my girl is not looking for "fun" - simply to belong... fun is a bonus if and when it happens.

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Maybe I am confused; but I thought the whole point was to develop a relationship.
Just my opinion, and I stand by my words.


And, I wold not have it any other way - just expressing myself and my words is all.
 
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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 9:04:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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a slave does not have the right to leave of their own free will, and there are those Masters out there who take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave.


You may not have the "right" to leave (though I suspect that you would "discover" that right if it should become necessary) but making a blanket statement for all slaves is, at the very least, inappropriate.  People have what rights are agreed upon within their relationship, not those that are "granted" them by.... ummmm... anyone else.
 
And those that "take the pains necessary to ensure that their property cannot leave" are called abusers.  They're found in any of your local, state or federal prisons, and really have nothing whatsoever to do with the lifestyle.
 
John


John, i will have to respectfully disagree with you there. i would not call such a Master an abuser, simply a Master who wishes to keep their property, by any means necessary. also as we understand the concept of slavery, a slave does not have any rights, including the right to leave. now of course an Owner may grant whatever privileges to the slave he pleases, but rights are something else. but naturally i understand all may not agree with our views, and that's fine, variety is what makes the world go round.


Though I do respect what works in your personal relationship, the keeping an individual against their consent is kidnapping.  Using physical force to do so is domestic violence.  I think the general consensus amongst lifestylers, the greater society, and clearly the legal system, is that kidnapping and domestic violence is abusive.
 
I feel fairly certain in stating that as a fact.
 
Once a power exchange relationship ceases to be consensual, it is no different than any run of the mill abusive relationship.  And believe me, I don't use the term "abuse" in the casual context that has become all too common.
 
Interesting, that not long ago lifestyle slaves were said to have two rights/choices... the first to enter into slavery and the other to leave it.  Now you're reducing that by 50 %, and a hair's breadth from equating it with the detestible reality of slavery as practiced in our own history, and that still exists in some places of the world.
 
John

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 9:35:35 AM   
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a slave does not have any rights, including the right to leave.


I think you would be surprised how many rights a slave has to leave if they called the cops and stated someone was keeping them somewhere against their wishes. You may not choose to exercise the right to leave, but according to the law that is enforceable, you have that right and anyone that would deprive you of this right could be imprisoned.

Rights have to be backed up with some sort of enforcement or they really have no meat. He cannot keep you against your will, therefore he has no right to keep you but what you have given him...

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 9:43:18 AM   
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a slave does not have any rights, including the right to leave.


 I'm glad to be a sub!


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