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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 12:22:33 PM

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Should you please a slave?

In any relationship, should you strive to please your partner? I think so, regardless of your orientation within the relationship. If you don't please them, chances are good that they will find someone who is better at meeting their wants/needs.

i'm fully agree with you. No love, no real pleasure for the long terms.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 12:28:47 PM

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I do not believe all that I am reading.

It is too convenient to the discussions junctures and the points being made ~and~ is illogical in the minutia of the argument being levied...

I have been doing this for a very long time and see this as an anomoly that not includes lots of others who have no voince in the discussion and we are told exist.

Are these things possible?

Certainly... but exceptionally improbable.

The story is all too neatly layed out and brought forth as perfection incarnate with multitudes particpating and no one capable of verifying because of the cloistered (with the exception of one on line personality) nature of all participants alleged.

I am sorry - but, I have seen these soap operas played out too often

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 12:43:37 PM

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Don't we get into this to be WHO WE ARE? Why do so many then turn around and make up rules which would deny them so MUCH of who they are and the fulfillment they could acheive? Are they afraid to truly give that to themselves? Do they simply not understand that they really CAN have it all? Do they get themselves caught in drama too much?
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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 1:22:41 PM

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i know of slaves who have no means to communicate with another person outside of their Master...who are regularly kept caged for days or weeks at a time...who rarely see the light of day. for myself, tho i have such privileges as communicating online thru a few select websites, being left home alone, and going out in public with my Master, i have chains holding me tightly as well.

How is it that you, with such limited contact with the outside world, know of these people who have even more limited contact with the outside world? And how is it that someone like me, who travels the country (and portions of other countries) has never had such contact, nor even heard of them?

Do you all live together in a commune, or something?

No, I don't claim to know or have seen it all. But given our relative conditions, no one would question that I see more and am exposed to more than you.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:07:03 PM

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How is it that you, with such limited contact with the outside world, know of these people who have even more limited contact with the outside world? And how is it that someone like me, who travels the country (and portions of other countries) has never had such contact, nor even heard of them?

Do you all live together in a commune, or something?

No, I don't claim to know or have seen it all. But given our relative conditions, no one would question that I see more and am exposed to more than you.

John

more than likely you do see more and are exposed to more than i am. there are a great many things people discuss on this site that i've never seen or experienced. however i assume that these things do indeed exist, just based on logic, hearsay, and information.
because of the way we live, i am most often exposed (in real life, not speaking of internet "meetings") to those who live or believe in ways similar to our own. i think that's pretty common...most people like to associate/hang out with those of like interest. we don't set out to meet or interact with people who are going to have a problem with our ways, or who have lifestyle beliefs that conflict with our own.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:17:00 PM

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i assume that these things do indeed exist, just based on logic, hearsay, and information.

See, that's the rub. My logic, experience (I prefer that over hearsay) and information is incompatible with the nonconsensual slavery as you have described it, and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to reconcile those discrepancies.

because of the way we live, i am most often exposed (in real life, not speaking of internet "meetings") to those who live or believe in ways similar to our own. i think that's pretty common...most people like to associate/hang out with those of like interest. we don't set out to meet or interact with people who are going to have a problem with our ways, or who have lifestyle beliefs that conflict with our own.

How is it that you find these people? Surely not out in the lifestyle communities, because I am here, there and not quite everywhere and have yet to meet them, or even hear of them. And given that you say you don't associate with others that have different beliefs, it's unlikely that you're out in the community anyway.

So how do you find them? Via internet? If so, what are the odds that they are close enough for you to visit? Seems it's difficult enough to find a run of the mill Dominant or submissive that's local, much less someone considerably less common. And I'm here on the internet as well, and haven't seen many examples of the relationship you describe that are not obviously and patently a put on.

So I'm just kind of at a loss for understanding as to how someone with such a cloistered life meets others with an even more cloistered life, and all evade detection by those that are "out there" with regularity. It all boggles the mind.

I appreciate your patience and willingness to share what you know.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:17:58 PM

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i think twice happy is right, your looking for paying clients, as such your heading applies, and not a relationship. my opion on his i think most people in there 30s dont want a relationship but , seek to use people for what they are, and for someone elses gain, we all know money makes the world go round, if someone did want such a relationship, what would he have to give for such something to happen?, everyone has there opinion,on things and issures, maybe some people want the service and maybe some wont both, and people are afraid, to that the chanceif someone offers alot , and keeps offering he is a good client, so why would a Mistress sacifice, this client for a relationship? As i siad people in thre 30;s i dont think want a relationship, s such , becuase they dont know what they want, people in there 40s, i believe know what they are seeking .

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:24:12 PM

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Well I'm just glued to this thread by now. Come on Daddysprop247. I'm just dying to hear your answer to Rover's latest question.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:31:20 PM

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How is it that you find these people? Surely not out in the lifestyle communities, because I am here, there and not quite everywhere and have yet to meet them, or even hear of them. And given that you say you don't associate with others that have different beliefs, it's unlikely that you're out in the community anyway.

I can answer that one John and i'm sure most others can get the answer too. good example is how pedophiles get to know each other. We know they do cause there's rings of them. No I am not equating these two areas outside of the fact that there are circles of people within circles and they find each other starting with a simple statement. Just by what daddysprop has said here there might be people who contact them in private sharing how they have that same lifestyle. One person speaks up and others show themselves to them. That's how it works. Or at least that's my logic as to how it does. And while i'm not in any way affiliated to the nonconsentual slavery preference, i have come across one other in the DC area who has the belief once a person gives themselves as a slave they lose their right to get out. But then he had a slave who didn't live with him and who worked her own job so hmmm she had a lot of freedom. R.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:37:32 PM

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Daddysprop is not a newbie to these boards. She's been consistent enough in her perspective and description of her scenario to know that she's not just going to cave over.

Her situation is very extreme- and we can certainly discuss the reality of the idea of consentual non consent relationships. But I've seen Prop long enough to know that SHE is solid in her relationship, and quite fulfilled by it, even though few others would be and most would even consider it an unhealthy situation.

While I think Prop occasionally falls victim to sounding a bit superior and one-true-way, I do wish people would stop suggesting that she's a clueless victim who doesn't know better.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:45:43 PM

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LA:

Do you know her in real life?
If so, mea culpa -

If not, then I have known people to go years telling great stories on line to those who would believe them and never waivered... but, they were stories and eventually broke down.

This one has too may holes in logial perspective and reality basis to make it real enough for my tastes... no matter how perfect it might sound in print... it is too perfect that it all exists, and that these people happen to find one another without resource to publicity in DC. I exist in the NYC metro area and do not know of any group such as this to be in place.

It does not grok.

And, Resademilo: Pedeophiles meet mainly on line and are infiltrated often... they seldom meet in real life (unless they are NAMBLA) because they have no need to.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:46:05 PM

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for us, the major difference between slavery as we practice it in the lifestyle, and the legal and illegal slavery of history and modern times, is that within this lifestyle, one can give initial consent to become the property of another person. however, after that point, that slave is no longer a free person with rights and the freedom to do whatever they please...they are property, and their fate is entirely in the hands of their Owner.

Hello A/all,

I am going to go out on a limb here in support of daddysprop247. The reason I am doing this has to do with my professional experience with people who have lived in abusive relationships. This is not to say that I think daddysprop247 lives in one, it is more to speak of the amazing power of a person's mind and perception.

A person living a life of X eventually becomes innured to that life. Soldiers in Vietnam, specifically the LURPS, would go out into the jungle alone for months at a time, living on the edge 24x7. They would go to Saigon on leave and be completely incapable of enjoying themselves or doing much of anything. Then they would come back to real life back in the United States and discover that everything in life was mundane and colorless. Often these people would re-enlist for 2, 3, 4 more tours. Their reality was colored by their life during wartime, and no experience after they came home measured up with the same emotional intensity and joy and fear.

The more judgemental public tend to dismiss their behavior as wrong with terms like post traumatic stress disorder and worry about the poor innocent boy who had their childhood stolen from them by being sent to war. While this might be the case, it casts a negative shadow on the reality a person lives in, which I personally dont think is overly helpful or supportive to the person.

People in abusive relationships go along fine for years being unable to perceive of a way to escape the hell of their lives. The ties that bind are not physical, they are psychological. Some escape these bonds, realize where they were trapped, and move on. Some dont.

While these two examples may seem bizarre to people who are not living within that context, I tend to apply that idea that since I have no ability to see it from anything apart from my own point of view, I really have no place to make judgements.

So to come full circle with my argument, I would say that daddysprop247 has placed her reality within the context of consensual slavery to her Master. The chains and ties which bind her within this reality do not exist in the Real World, they exist within her perception of the real world. People outside of this can come up with all sorts of things like "what if he cut off your feet?" as examples of how horrible it might be to perceive reality like she does. But I think the more salient fact of the matter is she cannot conceive of her Master ever doing anything like this to her. 99.9% of the time, I suspect this would be a completely correct perception. To judge a person's behavior as being wrong based on the .1%, which would qualify as a statistical outlier, is to me small minded.

Thank you for enlightening us into aspects of your world, daddysprop247, and please give my regards to your Master.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:53:46 PM

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LA:

Do you know her in real life?
If so, mea culpa -

Take this for what you believe it is worth.

We have never met offline. We have corresponded privately over an extended period of time. I believe her situation is exactly as she describes it to be.

I also understand why it's difficult for other people to believe it.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 2:59:48 PM

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You are definitively out on a limb with the analogies... and, still not explaining away the inconsistencies of the tale while trying to ameliorate the story she is telling in it's psychological glory...

LURPS in Vietnam vs. healthy 25 year old woman in an alleged power exchange relational dynamic?

Why not just discuss Stockholm Syndrom or programming via moonie nirvana?

The co-relational association is vague if not missing.

Would make more sense.. but, still - off base relative to explaining the inexplicable.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:00:28 PM

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To add my two cents - I am not One to isolate a 'little one'; but do have contact with a couple Who do just that.
Their slaves are not allowed to work, or interact with anyone, without their Master present,
- Is this an extreme? I would say YES.
- Are the slaves happy? From talking with them - YES.
- Does their Master abuse or physically harm them? NO.
This is a form of TPE to the complete degree - but it works for them.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:05:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

You are definitively out on a limb with the analogies... and, still not explaining away the inconsistencies of the tale while trying to ameliorate the story she is telling in it's psychological glory...

LURPS in Vietnam vs. healthy 25 year old woman in an alleged power exchange relational dynamic?

Why not just discuss Stockholm Syndrom or programming via moonie nirvana?

The co-relational association is vague if not missing.

Would make more sense.. but, still - off base relative to explaining the inexplicable.

~J

The point of my analogies was simply to point out that there is objective reality we can all agree on (An elephant is like a tree, for example) and then there is an individual's perception of reality which may or may not include tree shaped objects known as elephants.

While her comments on her slavery may go against the laws of whatever municipality she is in, may seem deeply dangerous or deluded or whatever, and may be something which nobody else on this board can understand, we are not her and our view of what she describes cannot be looked at in context.

She is happy in her situation. She has all her feet. I dont see any problem with her life as she describes it.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:06:33 PM

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LA, I don't know about you but I'm unable to even divine an individual's gender via the written word. You seem convinced of a great deal more. I hope not to be the first to tell you that people have developed and carried out some pretty elaborate hoaxes online for extended periods of time.

Over time, people can craft some very believable stories, so long as they remain unable to be verified. And the longer they do so, the better they are at their craft.

So you see, I remain unimpressed by your reliance upon the length of time an individual has been online with an unverified personal history. That's why we have references, and all.

You may find this article rather illuminating as it relates to this topic:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0126,russo,25810,1.html

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:08:24 PM

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What you do not understand is that I do not believe her at all - I do not think her situation exists except on the internet.

Hence the reference to too many inconsistencies in her story.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:12:47 PM

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What you do not understand is that I do not believe her at all - I do not think her situation exists except on the internet.

Hence the reference to too many inconsistencies in her story.

~J

I take her words at face value. Will I put money on it? Unlikely. I was simply using what she posted to comment on subjective perceptions of reality and how these are realized in people.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:12:56 PM

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I just wanted to echo Em(as usual - god I am boring) and Sinergy.

daddysprop has never come across as some clueless 'victim' and has always shown herself as a fine example her Master can be proud of.

Just because people do not know of a section of society, doesn't mean they do not exist. And just because her reality doesn't fall into a prefered catagory that people would like to acknowledge, doesn't mean she nor her Master are in anyway lying nor abusive.

If you don't know something exists - doesn't mean it does not.

No man or woman can know or be aware of everything.

I think it is quite terrible how people are treating her - there are of course polite response, but equally there are some terribly rude ones. Her choice may not be considered 'the norm' in BDSM circles - but then - what is the norm? When people cannot even agree on defining labels, let alone have the gall to pin them onto others?

One thing that Prop has always shown as a poster, is politeness and consistancy. No double standards. No grey areas. Like Em said, at times she may fall victim to a slight superiority (lord knows, I have been accused of that too) but thats all just subjective semantics... at least she is certain of her place and what she is and has a keen awareness of the path she has taken.

Peace and Rapture to Your Master, Prop - and blessings to you both.

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