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LTRsubNW -> RE: Our Friendly Neighborhood Wal-Mart (10/16/2006 6:04:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MizSuz
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
ahh...a derailment of a thread waiting to happen:
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BUT I do know men's shirts, from the sales point of view (how do ya think this po' boy got thru college?) and from the wearing point of view...and LTRsubNW I'm calling you out. (and LaM you can play along).
If you really were spending $125/shirt at Nordstroms, you were probably getting the John W. Nordstrom shirt (or were you getting a designer?). They run from $95-150. The J.W. is one of the finest off the rack dress shirts made, and it bears the same resemblance to a $17 WalMart shirt as a mid-priced Mercedes does to a Pinto*. Yes, they are both cars. Yes, they both have 4 wheels. If that's all that matters, drive the Pinto.
HA! A Pinto! He used a PINTO to call you out, LTR! HAHA THat is too rich. Never mind that he's RIGHT (and echoing what I've been telling you for years)...it's the fact that he used a PINTO for comparison that cracks me up. Should we tell him that you think the pinto is the quintessential dating machine??? hahahaha
(I noticed that...I was desperately hoping you hadn't {inside joke}).
And for the record...the Pinto (station wagon, by the way) IS the quintessential dating machine.
(Unfortunately, times have been rough and I've had to suffer through my transition to a Vega coupe).
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
A J.W. is 100% cotton, usually 60 singles, often 80, always 2 ply.(NOTE: If this stuff doesn't mean anything to you, dear reader, just keep in mind the Mercedes vs. the Pinto). What are your shirts, LTR? Plastic? If you are wearing ANYTHING 100% cotton and $17, I'm amazed and skeptical. But it could be possible. Still, there's no comparison.
The J.W. is single needle tailored. It has a full placket, and true pleats. The buttons are always shell, except for certain custom runs which are mother of pearl. The shirts have a gorgeous hand, they launder wonderfully, and they last.
DOH! There goes someone talking about quality and how to see it! In case you missed it, LTR, you CANT get these features at Walmart and people who know it when they see it know it.
(Actually, WalMart just days ago started selling "80, 2 ply, pinpoint, button collar" shirts, which, not being a Jeffrey Bean afficianado, I actually didn't know what the hell they were talking about, I bought a dozen...liked 'em...and have just order 50 in each color and am tossing the remainders {which, as you know, number in the 400's).
Oh, by the way...they're the same price...longer tail...and very tailored :)
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Now I don't wear many JWs. They are pricey, and they tend to have an athletic cut, and my shoulders no longer taper as neatly to the hips.
Now THIS could be the crux of the situation with the Walmart shirts, eh? Less 'athletic cut'?
(Ahem...there was a time)
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Am I a snob? You bet I am. BUT -- and this is something you may not get, LTR -- I'm a snob for quality, NOT for labels.
Oh my, do I hear an echo in here???
(Ya know...I'm not feeling the love here at all).
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
..wanna know something *whispers* clients DO look, and they do notice what you wear. If you wanna dress cheap and sell cheap...go ahead. If you wanna dress money and sell money (which I do, usually)...you don't wear an Arrow shirt for the presentation.
ABSOFRAKKIN'LUTELY. Anyone with knowledge regarding quality garments will notice. Someone who can afford to and HAS worn both ends of the spectrum knows (I have...trust me...womens clothing is vastly different...the spectrum on womens clothing runs 90% to 30% as to style...on these {mens} shirts it runs 90% to 75% {and WalMarts suppliers have figured it all out}...and unless you check the label...you wouldn't know). Most business execs (the ones who write the big checks) know (even if it was their wife that taught them the difference simply by making sure the GOOD shirts were in the closet).
But I think before we start talking thread/needle counts, full pleats and plackets we should address what does and doesn't 'match.'
Jeans and/or khakis with a Walmart button down (often plaid), topped by a pin stripe suit jacket...well...it's just WRONG. Tennis shoes, in this situation, just round the whole 'wrongness' out. It screams wrong, usually at the person with the wherewithall to write that big check.
If it must be jeans or khakis then wear a SPORT COAT. If it's a pin striped jacket then wear the matching pants and a tie, and DONT wear a walmart shirt and tennis shoes.
If the meeting is important enough to wear a suit coat for, then do it right and don't go in looking like a rube. Better to wear jeans and a collared pull over professing the need to be on a jobsite later than to go in thinking you look smashing when you're screaming "I don't know how to discern quality but I'm here to convince you to give me your money."
Well, I think you, among all people know all too well, with both of my companies growing at between 50% & 200% annually over a 3 year period...regardless of clothing (or in spite of it)...I seem to have an amazing and undeniable ability to convince other people to give me theirs (money, that is).
As my father once told me "Son...fuck those idiots that tell you 'clothes make the man...man makes the clothes, and always has....anyone that differs with you...show 'em your bank account"
(I'm just fine with that).
So far it appears to be working. [:D]
But what would I know? I HATE to shop (anywhere) and being in a Walmart is a lot like being stuck in a nightmare to me.
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