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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 6:14:58 AM   
Iskander


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ORIGINAL: Rover

Iskander, is it really necessary for me to point out that we were talking about opinions and judgments, so the releveant portion of the definition of opinion was the use of judgment as a synonym?  I guess so.  Consider yourself enlightened.
 
And if I had edited the definition, I would not have included its entirety.  Nothing was omitted. 
 
And as for a judge offering an opinion, are you inferring that nikaa is a judge and we are in court? 
 
Seriously, you couldn't make the grade school debate team with such a fervent desire to be "right" that you can't read what's plainly written.
 
John


Well, the point I do believe was that there is or can be a difference between an opinion and a judgement, the entire definition you pasted confirms this

Nothing wrong with my reading skillz, though no-one mentioned that the definition was edited, and I didn't infere anything, I simply stated that there is a universal acceptance that an opinion does not always equate to a judgement.

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PS, I'm glad you're serious about making it personal.


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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 6:30:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iskander

Gee Rover... what about 2a/b?
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view

Not a judgement in sight.. Selective editing can almost always prove what ever point one wants to make, yet it doesn't make the point gospel..


Wow, I can see that this will (sadly) be a frequent necessity.  Perhaps I'm wrong, but I read that to mean an inference that the definition had been selectively edited because.... ummm... it says so.
 
If your point is that an opinion can be defined without using the word judgment, I do not disagree.  Just as judgement can be defined without using the word opinion.  However, given that "judgment" is a synonym for "opinion", the two words can be used interchangeably to mean the same thing unless you change the context in which they are used (such as the definitions that include a court room or God which I assume we can both agree do not apply).
 
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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 6:52:50 AM   
Iskander


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ORIGINAL: Rover
And if I had edited the definition, I would not have included its entirety.  Nothing was omitted. 

And since you have such difficulty, I've also highlighted, underlined and placed in red the relevant passages associated with the definition of judgment (I think we can dispense with those passages dealing with a court or God, since we are neither).  You cannot possibly be so obtuse as to continue this line of illogic (but I have been surprised before).

John


Main Entry: judg·ment
Variant(s): or judge·ment /'j&j-m&nt/
Function: noun
1 a : a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion b : an opinion so pronounced
2 a : a formal decision given by a court b (1) : an obligation (as a debt) created by the decree of a court (2) : a certificate evidencing such a decree
3 a capitalized : the final judging of humankind by God b : a divine sentence or decision; specifically : a calamity held to be sent by God
4 a : the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing b : an opinion or estimate so formed
5 a : the capacity for judging : DISCERNMENT b : the exercise of this capacity
6 : a proposition stating something believed or asserted
synonym see SENSE


I'll reply to this one instead of your last one...
So if nothing was omitted, then how come this definition has 3 extra points?
But then, editing can also mean changing text to bold red... it doesn't always imply an omission.. Which is what I meant in the first instance, in the second instance I should have been more clear and said, no-one mentioned omission..

As for synonyms, they don't always apply you know as they can have the same or nearly the same meaning, in this case, near just ain't close enough...

Anyway, you're right and I have peace...

Iskander...


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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 6:56:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: siamsa24

Kind of on that topic, does anyone know if nipple piercings scar to the point of being noticable? I had my eyebrow (and others) done for years and then when the bars were removed left little or no scar.

Quick answer is yes, they can.  I had mine in for 5 years and they migrated a bit, plus had some cellular issues in healing.  I have spots where I can see that they were pierced, but it's not some massive deformity.  Others who do not scar or keloid may not have any evidence post removal.  It depends on your body, how long they were in, what gauge it was stretched to, and how healed the piercings were when they were removed.

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:00:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey.

i just thought of a way to integrate the whole linguistics thing into the topic. Rover ~ get a tattoo of the definition of "opinion". on your forehead.



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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:06:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iskander

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ORIGINAL: Rover
And if I had edited the definition, I would not have included its entirety.  Nothing was omitted. 

And since you have such difficulty, I've also highlighted, underlined and placed in red the relevant passages associated with the definition of judgment (I think we can dispense with those passages dealing with a court or God, since we are neither).  You cannot possibly be so obtuse as to continue this line of illogic (but I have been surprised before).

John


Main Entry: judg·ment
Variant(s): or judge·ment /'j&j-m&nt/
Function: noun
1 a : a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion b : an opinion so pronounced
2 a : a formal decision given by a court b (1) : an obligation (as a debt) created by the decree of a court (2) : a certificate evidencing such a decree
3 a capitalized : the final judging of humankind by God b : a divine sentence or decision; specifically : a calamity held to be sent by God
4 a : the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing b : an opinion or estimate so formed
5 a : the capacity for judging : DISCERNMENT b : the exercise of this capacity
6 : a proposition stating something believed or asserted
synonym see SENSE


I'll reply to this one instead of your last one...
So if nothing was omitted, then how come this definition has 3 extra points?
But then, editing can also mean changing text to bold red... it doesn't always imply an omission.. Which is what I meant in the first instance, in the second instance I should have been more clear and said, no-one mentioned omission..

As for synonyms, they don't always apply you know as they can have the same or nearly the same meaning, in this case, near just ain't close enough...

Anyway, you're right and I have peace...

Iskander...





Ummm.... because the first definition was for "opinion" and this one is for "judgment".  Yes, I know they're so alike that it's easy to confuse the two.  But then, I guess that's the issue in a nutshell, isn't it?
 
Sometimes a point can be proven in the most unexpected way.  Thank you.
 
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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:14:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: siamsa24

Ok, I don't ask a whole lot of questions in this area (usually they end up in the off-topic areas), but there is something that has been bothering me.  This may not be specifically related to BDSM, but it kind of is. 

Alright, I am engaged to be married next summer and could not be happier.  I love my husband-to-be and there is no question about us getting married.
So here's the problem.  When we first met I had about six piercings and one tattoo, now all of my piercings are gone with the exception of my ears and he hates my tattoo and doesn't want me to get another.  I am one of those people who wants to be pierced and tattooed, I feel more beautiful with them.  I want more tattoos and I want my old piercings back (and more). 
Should I just resist my urges to get body modifications just because he doesn't like them?
I am only looking for advice and opinions.  Please let me know what you think.


I want to ask you one simple question-Did you husband to be know about your piercings and tatoos when you met first?, if so then I would sayit's his tough luck, get as many as you like.

When I was living at home I had to watch "Jerry Springer" if I was down stairs with My sister, this kind of "problem" came up on the show from time to time accept it was the women who didnt like something about the man, and loe and behold the general concensus was that the woman would just have to deal with what ever was bothering her about her partner becauyse she knew about it all along.

Also, I think it's a really trivial thing for your partner to have a problem with,does he have things you don't like or does he do things you don't like; a time consuming hobby perhaps?, if so tell hime you want him to cut down......

On the other hand you could point out that your piercings might be used to tether you to alsorts of things which he might find fun.

I wish you a lot of luck what ever the out come.


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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:17:12 AM   
Iskander


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Status: offline 		Guess i should have actually read it...
I didn't because dictionary thumpers are usually as rigid in their thinking as bible bashers, and only see whatever meaning they want to see in the words...
Language and meanings tend to be more fluid than that...

Anyway, it's just been correctly pointed out to me that we seem to be hyjacking this goodly thread.
Be happy to continue elsewhere though..

Iskander...



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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:18:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gypsylee

hey.

i just thought of a way to integrate the whole linguistics thing into the topic. Rover ~ get a tattoo of the definition of "opinion". on your forehead.





Lmao.



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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:22:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just thought I would add my OPINION into the foray

I personally do not care for the current fad of piercings and tatoos, especially on women. They just do not appeal to me and I find they actually detract from the beauty of the woman.

I met a submissive woman that wanted very badly to belong to me, she was quite enamoured. One of the several reasons I was just not attracted to her was her many tatoos and piercings, and the fact that she wanted to continue the tatooing process. In my eyes they were ugly and getting more so each time she felt the need to add to them. Granted that is only a small part of the issues that existed but I will not lie and say it was not part of it.


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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:26:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Just thought I would add my OPINION into the foray

I personally do not care for the current fad of piercings and tatoos, especially on women. They just do not appeal to me and I find they actually detract from the beauty of the woman.

I met a submissive woman that wanted very badly to belong to me, she was quite enamoured. One of the several reasons I was just not attracted to her was her many tatoos and piercings, and the fact that she wanted to continue the tatooing process. In my eyes they were ugly and getting more so each time she felt the need to add to them. Granted that is only a small part of the issues that existed but I will not lie and say it was not part of it.



Fair enough, tatoos etc. aren't for every one. You had the decency to say that from the begining instead of trying to wear down this person to you own "specifications".


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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		LaTigresse, did you ask her to remove the piercings? and if she did would that have increased your attraction to her?

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:52:56 AM   
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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 7:53:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		gypsylee, no I didn't. As I said, there were alot of other issues that were more important so it just never really came to being the deciding factor. Yes, she knew how I felt about the tatoos and piercings and that I did not care for them but that I understood why they were important to her. Had everything else been great I don't know how it would have been handled. Knowing myself as well as I do I think we would have found a compromise.

I have a similar type of situation now. I dislike breast implants yet am exploring the idea of a relationship with a woman that has them. I would prefer she not, but they are important to her. They are not the horrid cheap stripper variety and don't even feel that different, nor are they very large at all. In fact they fit her build perfectly. She has a very good doctor that would refuse to do anything disproportionate. I just know they are there and have a weird issue with the idea of them. However, like I said, they are important to her. Enough so, that I would not make them a deciding factor in the relationship. There are too many other parts that make up the whole of who she is. I would not care if she was breastless, she would not be more or less the amazing woman she is with or without.


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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 8:09:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		thanx LT. mmhmm... i don't like fake boobs either but i don't tend to have r'ships w/ women... anyway, i hope that works out for you.

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 8:19:42 AM   
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The only piercing I've ever had a scar from ins my belly button. However its been pierced 7 times, ripped out twice and have nasty evil pussy infections twice.

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 8:23:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Either she had a pussy piercing and didnt specify or as bacteria likes to do it migrated. Once bacteria is in the bloodstream it can and will travel.

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 8:55:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		my belly's been pierced 3 times and is scarred... but no evil pussy infections... i'm also curious to know whether said infections were from the belly piercing or from pussy piercing, cos that's the next place i'm gonna inflict my piercing urge on.

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 8:57:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		About scarring:  I have had my nipples pierced 3 different times.  Took them out and let them heal up between each time.  (What can I say - I'm a masochist! lol)

The first time, the girl who did it didn't know what she was doing.  She took the needle through the front of the nipple instead of the side on one and used rings that were way too small for my sizeable nips.  So yes, there's a tiny scar on the front of the nipple.  There are 2 additional sets of tiny scars, and the last set also has an indentation.  But keep in mind that I had to have the longest barbells the piercer could find (that wouldn't be too long, which an industrial barbell would be), 12 gauge, so we're talking substantial piercings.

It also depends on your skin type.  Some people even develop keloids (thick, raised scar tissue) which I do not.  All in all, it's hard to predict, but if that is a huge issue (and I don't see why it should be) then don't do it.

That being said - you may never be happy until you try it.  I wanted them so bad for so many years, I just had to do it to get it out of my system.  I'm one of those people who likes something different on a regular basis, and I like to have something to deal with, tend to - oh yeah, sometimes it takes nip piercings a year to heal completely, and there can be NO contact with them - you have to really be careful and take care of them.  Also, there is non-piercing nipple jewelry that you could wear to simulate the effect.

Hope that helps some!

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RE: Tattoos and piercings - 10/16/2006 9:18:14 AM   
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...oh yeah, sometimes it takes nip piercings a year to heal completely, and there can be NO contact with them - you have to really be careful and take care of them.  Also, there is non-piercing nipple jewelry that you could wear to simulate the effect.

Hope that helps some!


argh! actually that was another thing that put me off... and i think you've just put me off again hehe. i think i'll stick to my original plan. but damn, all this talk of piercing just makes me wanna go out and get another one tomorrow...

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