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sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:30:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Protesting is illegal? Funny, I thought you would be the first one to approve of dissent... guess I was wrong BTW, my great nephew is half Mexican, his father's parents were born in Mexico, they are here legally, but they are not citizens.. his father was born here...My niece married this young man. I fail to understand the hatred, I guess fear does this to people Ok...FIRST of all.....REFUTE what I have said. ARE there Mexicans who WANT to "take back the Southwest" and "Kill gringos" or not? Do you know who MeCHA and LA RAza (The RACE) is? Second....WHERE did I say it was illegal? I don't agree with WHAT they are protesting about. "Its all those gringos fault" "This land is ours..get out!!!" "Viva Aztlan".....ad nauseaum. Third....MY parents are LEGAL immigrants who got here the HARD/legal way. Every Illegal is a slap in the face to all those who played by the rules. Fourth...illegals have broken the law...which makes them CRIMINALS. If they want to come here LEGALLY.....i'm all for it.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Camille, the way that those H1b visas work is that a company first needs to advertise for an American Citizen to fill a job opening. If they can't they have to "prove" to the govt. that no American Citizen is available for that position then they can fill it using an "H1b" worker. Of course with all the tens of thousands of IT workers in Calif for example who are out of work "everyone" knows that there are plenty of workers here to do those jobs but not for the $30k per year that they can get an IT worker from India as opposed to the $100,000 it would cost that company for an American worker. What these companies do is take out "Ads" and then just never reply to anyone who answers them. It's obviously Fraud but "our" govt. doesn't seem to be too interested in prosecuting these companies because lo and behold, they make tens of millions of dollars of political contributions with some of the money they're saving by hiring foreign H1B workers at 1/3 of the cost of American workers! And the U.S. District Atty's Offices know this is going on just like the general public but they won't prosecute these companies for fraud. This govt is rotten from the very top to the very bottom. They just DO NOT listen to The People anymore. I believe the way H1B visas are used has been explained very well Arpig.

juliaoceania -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:34:59 PM)
There are Neo Nazis that commit hate crimes, and there are Mexicans that want atlan... that is not all of them This is not about illegals... You said they dissented... are legal immigrants dissenting illegallly doing so? You have a problem with their agenda.. fine.. they have a right to believe whatever they like, they have the right to freedom of speech.. they are here legally... Your lineage is of no special interest to me, if you were being hated for it, I would feel sympathy for you though

Arpig -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:38:26 PM)
I was describing how B1 visas, NOT H1B visas. there is a difference, and if you have been meaning to refer to people with H1B visas all through this thread, then I suggest you make a post specifying that you had "mistyped", and that you be more careful in the future. Also, in the future, please actually read what people post, it would make for a far more cogent discussion.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:42:27 PM)
I personally don't have a problem with anyone's lineage. Just sick of Americans losing their jobs to cheaper labor. When the job shortage is under control, then bring a limited number of immigrants in. I have nothing against reasonable immigration that doesn't destroy the economy. I would have nothing against building additional businesses in other countries to help their economy.........as long as the businesses stay open here as well.

sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:43:26 PM)
www.americanpatrol.com nuff said.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:43:50 PM)
Sorry, I didn't know there was a difference. Thanks for telling me.

Arpig -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:48:48 PM)
No problem. And like I said, if you know of people who are indeed using B1 visas to sneak past the rules, then report them.

sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:55:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Your lineage is of no special interest to me, if you were being hated for it, I would feel sympathy for you though I didn't mention my "lineage"...I said my parents came here LEGALLY. It applies to the topic at hand....as does ILLEGAL immigration (A severe problem).

Sinergy -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:57:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Your lineage is of no special interest to me, if you were being hated for it, I would feel sympathy for you though [image]http://www.holytrinitynewrochelle.org/media/12_01_pixel.gif[/image] "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemoeller on the failure to speak up against the Nazis (this quotation is often cited incorrectly. The exact phrasing was supplied by Sibylle Sarah Niemoeller von Sell, Martin Niemoeller's wife. The remark was made in reply to a student's question, "How could it happen?") Martin Niemoeller 1892-1964

sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 8:58:58 PM)
How our CORRUPT justice system does things to people who try to protect our borders from THUGS and drug runners. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

juliaoceania -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:01:44 PM)
This thread is about LEGAL immigrants... I thought I would point it out... and LEGAL immigrants have a right to protest, boycott, and yes even strike

sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:03:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania This thread is about LEGAL immigrants... I thought I would point it out... and LEGAL immigrants have a right to protest, boycott, and yes even strike Even if they are supporting...CRIMINAL acts?

MasterKalif -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:03:42 PM)
I think it is unfair how the US government criminalizes immigrants that wish to work in the US and have found no legal way to do so....I think no one in reality for any reason wishes to be illegal, rather that they are faced with little choice 9for whatever reason). Even in Europe people seem to be cool if the illegal immigrants work and are not living in welfare....While I agree everyone has to go by the rules, I think the rules need to be a little more flexible in this point....I mean back before the 60's it was also in favour of the rules to discriminate african americans, and today people look back and shake their heads... I prefer these people working for American companies, applying their knowledge and hard work for American greatness and for the benefit of this country.....one must remember that those countries where these people leave are losing people, often people with some schooling or even higher professionals. I think after september 11 (and I understand) there seems to be much paranoia of things "foreign" or of a perceived "threat" from abroad. Just my personal opinion on these things.

sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:07:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKalif I think it is unfair how the US government criminalizes immigrants that wish to work in the US and have found no legal way to do so....I think no one in reality for any reason wishes to be illegal, rather that they are faced with little choice 9for whatever reason). Even in Europe people seem to be cool if the illegal immigrants work and are not living in welfare....While I agree everyone has to go by the rules, I think the rules need to be a little more flexible in this point... I 100% DIS-AGREE. This is America...its NOT a socialist system. Its a Constitutional Republic. We either live by it or we trash it. Anyone crossing the border illegally should be booked and then brought back to their home country. If you go through the process LEGALLY...by all means...WELCOME.

juliaoceania -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:08:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania This thread is about LEGAL immigrants... I thought I would point it out... and LEGAL immigrants have a right to protest, boycott, and yes even strike Even if they are supporting...CRIMINAL acts? Arrest the ones commiting illegal acts, and also the people born here that are doing so... why are you condemning an entire group of human beings in the doings of a few... I guess all blue eyed blonde men should be deported for what Timothy McVeigh did too...really

Arpig -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:10:22 PM)
Even if they are supporting...CRIMINAL acts? What "Criminal" acts are legal immigrants supporting? And I hate to break it to you but legal immigrants have just as much right to support whatever the fuck they want as do you...that is the law of your land.

MasterKalif -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve I 100% DIS-AGREE. This is America...its NOT a socialist system. Its a Constitutional Republic. We either live by it or we trash it. Anyone crossing the border illegally should be booked and then brought back to their home country. If you go through the process LEGALLY...by all means...WELCOME. great that you disagree, however I am not talking about a socialist republic or trashing the constitution, I am talking about changing the laws a little bit to make it easier (from my perspective) for those who wish to work in the US. This is not a case that applies to me....lol I think you need to relax sissifytoserve [8D]

Sinergy -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:12:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania This thread is about LEGAL immigrants... I thought I would point it out... and LEGAL immigrants have a right to protest, boycott, and yes even strike Even if they are supporting...CRIMINAL acts? Correct me if I am wrong, but dont we in the US live in a country where a person has the right to say whatever the hell they think, and are considered innocent until proven guilty? Or is this another one of those threads predicated on the notion that we have to violate every amendment in the bill of rights in order to protect them? Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

sissifytoserve -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/20/2006 9:13:09 PM)
They were protesting the passage of tougher (not really) illegal immigration (Criminal activity) laws. Hence..they are OK with criminal activity...ie supporting it. Timothy McVeigh was put to death for his crimes...no need to "deport" him. This isn't a RACIAL issue....don't try to make it one. If it was purple one-legged humanoids from the planet zeta-reticuli...trying to get over here Illegally at the border.......I would be against that too.

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