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philosophy -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 3:30:02 PM)

"My ancestors immigrated here, but them being here  didn't threaten job security"

....*blinks*........are you serious? Being killed didn't threaten job security? Being driven off their land didn't threaten job security? Being given diseases they had no immunity to didn't threaten job security?
Just how are you defining job security?



nefertari -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 3:41:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

"My ancestors immigrated here, but them being here  didn't threaten job security"

....*blinks*........are you serious? Being killed didn't threaten job security? Being driven off their land didn't threaten job security? Being given diseases they had no immunity to didn't threaten job security?
Just how are you defining job security?


Them being here didn't threaten her current way of life, as that is all she is really concerned with.  Actually, she appears to be concerned with the perception that it will change her way of life as she obviously has a lot of excuses on why she couldn't go out and get a job that would offer job security.  It's much easier to just blame it on someone else.  Plus, she seems to really like consipiracy theories.

I seem to remember another thread where she had a lot of excuses, too.  Seems to be a pattern.



NorthernGent -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 3:44:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I have nothing against people of different races philosophy. What I do have a problem with is companies replacing hard working loyal employees with immigrants who have B1 Visas. Immigration shouldn't be allowed until a law is passed to prevent companies from doing this. Then let people come over slowly so as not to create job shortages. I know my ancestors immigrated here long ago, but times were different then. One could pick a piece of land, cut some trees down, and build a house. Now we have house payments, land payments, car payments..........everything costs money and money comes from jobs. My ancestors immigrated here, but them being here  didn't threaten job security.


There is some truth in this. The Government (in Britain, can't speak for the US) is persuing a policy of attracting migrant workers at a reduced cost to business.

Where it becomes blurred is 

a) The employment/unemployment consequences for British citizens.
b) The sum economic growth due to the fact that they are all young and working which means they are paying tax but taking nothing back from the state.

On balance, the economy is benefitting from immigrant labour but the benefit is seen at the top end rather than at worker level.

One glaring error in the post is the suggestion that only local employees are hard working. This really isn't the case and the inference quite probably betrays a certain amount of prejudice. In Britain, Poles are grasping opportunities with both hands. This is due to a relative lack of opportunity in Poland and so they are prepared to work longer hours here for the same money (or even lower) than a British citizen.

Having said this, I certainly take the point that the Government is deliberately undercutting British labour in order to pander to business interests.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 3:44:43 PM)

Alot of killing went on that shouldn't have. There was land enough for everyone. Are there jobs enough for everyone now? Well, you're from Canada so it might be different there. I can't even get a job in a field where I have 8 years experience and a successful track record. Too many people have lost their jobs here and there are at least 500 people (including immigrants and americans) applying for one position. There are too many people, not enough jobs. I'm all for helping immigrants as long as there are enough decent jobs to go around. I am sorry for what ancestors did to the Native Americans, but why should I suffer their karma? Like I said before, if I was an immigrant, I would take a position that was available, not a position that would take someone else's job away.



LadyEllen -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 4:00:24 PM)

NG - you're back! Good post.

Now, are you still not talking to me, or will you please take part in the Blueprint threads I started?

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philosophy -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 4:16:03 PM)

"I can't even get a job in a field where I have 8 years experience and a successful track record."
many people can't......they retrain or take a job that requires no training........oh, and they're often immigrants. Highly skilled but lacking the accreditation in their new country. At the risk of sounding callous, suck it up buttercup.
"I am sorry for what ancestors did to the Native Americans, but why should I suffer their karma?"
...because they're your ancestors? You enjoy the priviliged position you do now as an American citizen because of what they did, karma sucks doesn't it.......



Lordandmaster -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 5:09:04 PM)

I wouldn't dismiss it quite so readily, philosophy.  The researchers involved aren't quacks:

http://womenshealth.ufl.edu/poster_abs/Liu06.html

But I don't see that it's been published anywhere.  If no one has done so by the time I get the energy, I'll do a Medline search.

How did you find out about it, defiantbadgirl?

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

"A college in Florida came up with a single injection that would prevent outbreaks and shedding, making the virus impossible to spread to others." defiantbadgirl wrote......and from the website she cited....."The technology can potentially to be used as a preventative vaccine against all outbreaks"

i have italicised two rather relevant words. Basically we have another assumption made by someone who based an assertion about nursing jobs based on an overheard conversation. Clearly the new treatment, promising as it is, is as yet untested. To assert that it would work, when the source only uses the word potentially shows muddy thinking......oh, and defiantbadgirl, i am still waiting for your definition of immigrant.



Sinergy -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 5:43:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

It is one of the most sought after jobs. Nurse recruiters are in very high demand. Don't know about the ying yangs though.


Hello A/all,

My cousin is an ER Trauma nurse.  She told me that the main reason people do not generally go into nursing is the following.

1)  It is extremely demanding and difficult work.

2)  The physicians and physicians-assistants still look down on and verbally mistreat the nursing staff almost anywhere they work.

3)  There are any number of nasty aspects to the job which the weak of heart are usually unwilling to deal with. 

Nowhere in her list of reasons why people do not go into nursing was "fear of contracting a disease" listed.

On a positive note, a nurse these days can almost write their own ticket as far as a career is concerned.  I have a friend who contracts all over the country for 3-6 month terms in different hospitals to get a change of scenery.

Just me, could be wrong, but there go.

Sinergy



justheather -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 5:47:45 PM)

Sinergy - Im an ICU Nurse. My particular "ticket" includes working only two shifts per week but still getting full-time benefits and a premium (for this area) hourly wage.
Yeah, I have to deal with some stuff most people don't want to think about while Im at work, but I get to spend five days of the week with the people I love.



popeye1250 -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 6:21:39 PM)

Heather, do you work two twenty four hour shifts?
My brother's a Lt. on a Fire Dept in the Boston area and he works a 24, off for 24, then another 24 then he's off for 5 days.
With overtimes he makes about $120k per year.



Sinergy -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 6:35:08 PM)

 
Hello A/all,

I was having a discussion on the phone with strumpet a while ago talking about the job market in that part of the state of California she lives in.  Apparently, there are some jobs like picking spinach and scooping cow manure that dont pay particularly well and no American citizen wants to do them.

I pointed out to her that Cesar Chavez and the grape growers in California faced similar issues 60-80 years ago and they got around it by unionizing and demanding better working conditions for migrant workers.

United we bargain, divided we beg.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy



sweetnurseBBW -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 7:02:43 PM)

I do love being a cardiac critical care nurse. I find in where I work as compared to other places I  have worked that the doctor/nurse realtionship is very good. Thats why I have worked their so long. Nursing is a very physcial, dirty job. Alot of people don't want to work hard for their money anymore. You can make a good living as a nurse but we do not get paid nearly enough for all the crap we put with an what we do.



juliaoceania -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 7:06:41 PM)

I would not want to do it because I tend to wear my heart on my sleeve and I tend to take home my work with me.




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 7:07:28 PM)

I work 3 12 hour shifts and off 7. I get full benefits and other perks.



sweetnurseBBW -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 7:10:42 PM)

Being a nurse means being empathetic and compassionate. I deal with alot of death and very sad situations. Its ok to cry or become close with a patient or family. Sometimes they are their so long that you do become close with some. Some you cant wait to leave. You certainly cant but inot family business and become too involved. I have cried with families and cried for a patient. Its ok to do that.



juliaoceania -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 7:14:29 PM)

It is very ok to do that, it takes a special person to be able to also



popeye1250 -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 8:10:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


Hello A/all,

I was having a discussion on the phone with strumpet a while ago talking about the job market in that part of the state of California she lives in.  Apparently, there are some jobs like picking spinach and scooping cow manure that dont pay particularly well and no American citizen wants to do them.

I pointed out to her that Cesar Chavez and the grape growers in California faced similar issues 60-80 years ago and they got around it by unionizing and demanding better working conditions for migrant workers.

United we bargain, divided we beg.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy



Sinergy, I agree. Years ago I was in a Union.
The problem is that everyone wants help but they don't want to pay the working man or woman anymore.
They want to drive Mercedes Benz's instead of Cadilacs.
In Capitalism if you can't find help you raise the pay rates until you can, not hire people who are in our country illegally at lower rates!
We're supposed to be a Capitalistic country but only the rich are doing well and they're doing well because they're breaking our laws!



caitlyn -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 8:13:47 PM)

I believe we should take any and all people that want to come to the United States, providing they are not criminals in their native country, and they are willing to learn our native language and integrate into our society.
 
This would do much to rebuild our low income workforce. Beyond this, it's just the right thing to do. People come here looking for a better life. Are we so cold, that we would deny them this?
 
The land of opportunity, could once again, have actual opportunity attached to that statement.



caitlyn -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 8:18:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
We're supposed to be a Capitalistic country but only the rich are doing well and they're doing well because they're breaking our laws!


Some might argue that they are doing well, because we seem unwilling to elect leaders that aren't tools of big business.
 
Bringing immigrants into this discussion seems a poorly focused point of view. They don't even vote.



popeye1250 -> RE: WELCOME NEW AMERICANS! (10/19/2006 8:28:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

I believe we should take any and all people that want to come to the United States, providing they are not criminals in their native country, and they are willing to learn our native language and integrate into our society.
 
This would do much to rebuild our low income workforce. Beyond this, it's just the right thing to do. People come here looking for a better life. Are we so cold, that we would deny them this?
 
The land of opportunity, could once again, have actual opportunity attached to that statement.


Ah ...Caitlyn, not with 5 1/2 Billion people here all needing medical, dental care, housing, food, and all kinds of other things and having no way to pay for it.
Oh, and it's "The American Dream" not the Russian, Mexican or any other dream.



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