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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 10:45:42 AM   
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I am going to defend Wolf since no one here seems to realize what has happened.  She is not trying to excuse herself and well she's not good with words either.  I made an agreement to only have a relationship with Wolf and not bring another in.  I broke that agreement.  That I am at fault for.  I know that Wolf has some issues, but I don't hold those against her.  Another thing.  Dakota and Coffee couldn't be placed anywhere since there is no backyard.  They also know how to open the doors.  I never called to let Wolf know that I was bringing a friend over and so there was no time to take Dakota and Coffee over to Wolf' dad's place.  I didn't see Wolf ever mistreat my friend once.  In fact the opposite.  Granted Wolf was unhappy over my friend doing the dishes and stuff.  But Wolf said nothing about it.  Not once did Wolf glare at my friend or follow her.  Wolf kept an eye on her due to our unmentionables and the dogs.  I know Wolf well enough to know that had either dog attacked that Wolf would've protected my friend.  After talking to my friend I finally had some answers. 

She didn't think Wolf was being mean or unwelcoming.  She said that she didn't know what to say to break the ice with Wolf and with the dogs she was scared.  When I asked why she was scared of the dogs my friend said she had been bitten as a kid.  At first she thought there was only one dog and that was Charlie, a 21 year old fox terrier.  He's very friendly and would rather lick you to death.  It was when she went looking for the bathroom that she accidently opened the oldest unmentionables room and was greeted by Coffee.  Scared she shut the door and went further down the hall.  She tripped over Dakota and started crying.  It was Wolf that rushed over to pull Dakota away.  What Wolf and I didn't know was that Dakota was licking my friend's face.  Wolf kept asking me if my friend was ok, but my friend insisted on going home. 

Wolf thought she had done something wrong and decided to come and post all this.  Many of you have said she was rude, unwelcoming and completely in the wrong.  That she owed my friend an apology.  She even tried to clarify from her point what happened today.  Like I said she is not good with words.  This is why she draws.  However I apologized to my friend thinking that Dakota had done something wrong to only find out later that my friend had a bad experience with dogs.  Also Wolf is carrying again so I'm giving her some leeway.  We are all sorry for any wrong impressions anyone got here and will not discuss our issues here again.




I didn't comment previously as the previous pages of replies more than adequately addressed the hostility apparent in the original post. While I'd agree in whole with LA's response above, I do think explaining that the OP is 'not good with words' glosses over what appears to be the elephant in the room: her clear hatred of females.

I find it interesting that this somehow isn't an issue in day-to-day life and relating, (or is 'understood'), particularly for a mother raising children.

On a similar note, you shouldn't be planning only for the possibility of what to do if the dogs attack. This is a horrible accident and quite possibly a lawsuit in the making to presume otherwise. If bringing someone into your home, or even onto your property, your animals and premises are your responsibility, and further, your liability. I suggest, quite honestly, that you ask the necessary questions and forewarn guests of the presence of the animals in detail, beyond taking preventative measures, (whether or not the dogs can open doors.)

Feh.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 10:50:01 AM   
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However, as hostess, she was still wrong to not provide a decent welcoming to a guest.  Even if it was nothing more than a smile hello, offering of cookies and milk while she dragged you into the other room, reminded you of what a dumbass loser you were being and that you needed to take the girl home and apologize ten times over for being a dumbass loser, go back out into the living room, thank her for coming, apologize for not being prepared for company and then having the master and the poor new girl go off to enact said plan.

You both acted really irresponsibly and unfortunately someone completely innocent has gotten hurt in the process.


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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 10:56:37 AM   
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Wolf thought she had done something wrong and decided to come and post all this.


Actually - she specifically stated that she felt she had nothing to appologise for ... which means that she did NOT feel that she had done anything wrong.  THAT is why we were so harsh with her.  She was out of line - no matter if you were also or not - and I will stand by what I said to her.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 11:17:43 AM   
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Ok Im really confused was this just another slave or was this her Masters slave meaning was she owened by the ops Master as well??

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 11:50:28 AM   
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Dear subartist4dom, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Being in the lifestyle a long time, I am fully aware of the cuthroats within the lifestyle and outside it, in a military venue as well as a semi-military situation as well.
 
That said, you identify an arch type of an 'artist' which are sensitive and more times then not over sensitive, eccentric behavior is peppered throughout the artist lifestyle throughout history.  Another arch-type I see you identify with, is a she-wolf/alpha wolf and with a vein of a sniper laying in wait, ready to take pot shots at unsuspecting targets under the guise of "guard."
 
In addition, your fix on 'sex' and how other women have behaved in the past or you have knowledge of; creates 'justification' in your mind's eye to behave as a predator, sniper and savage any woman; justified or not just because it 'feels good' and feeds the hate.  In a sense, becoming exactly what you loath in other women.
 
The paragraph #1, where you put in summary, that you did not think highly of another slave doing the tasks assigned to you.  No different than a military officer assigning a soldier to do what tasks you normally do--you got your nose out of joint.  Since you cannot take it out on the Master/Officer--you take it out on the poor soldier/slave following orders and blindsided by your 'personal' dislike and controling nature.  Nothing team work about that.  So, you make sure she knows that you hate the girl, your poison just oozing out of your pores...your hate scent waffles into her sense of smell and she knows you're ready to eat her for lunch.
 
2.  You mention 'unmentionables' and your need to guard them.  Are they that terrified of people in the house that they need guarding or do they attack like predators also?  After all unmentionables learn from the adults--they don't always understand--but they learn.  Perhaps you cannot imagine, that people can enjoy watching young people being youthful.  Spirit of intent was never manifested in a way that they were a danger.  Just another justification for an assumption that all people are abusers.  A justification to attack before a justification is determined.  Trigger happy when it comes to other females perhaps.
 
Paragraph #3, you write about females in a general sense, lumping the majority in as unsavory people and 'loose' or 'needy' as to have to pay $100.00 to get with your Master for a few hours.  Well, maybe he is worth a hundred to listen to, learn from, be mentored from, to be the decent man he is.  Maybe they have to pay to have somebody as a Master to pour their soul out to, as they're in pain with abuses of the past and hurt so much, that they would die for a few moments with a healer and have some form of catharsis.  Perhaps you take your Master for granted and don't want to share his gifts of goodness with others.  Its just easier to give them such negatives as the hate is felt for women, that having your own personal healer, you let other slave female spirits die.  It would be fine with you to see all female slaves die.  The question would be--would you feel the same way if you needed a healer in the form of your Master and his slave treated you as you treat the lass who your Master invited?
 
There are a lot of men and women who have suffered abuse and have equal justification to be angry and cruel.  However, they have gotten help, healed, they have allowed others to help.  They have reached for the positives, which is much harder to reach and grasp.  It takes courage to do so.  Nobody will see survivors of abuse, who become positive individuals despite it all cannot be called cowards, in my mind's eye.  Abuse in the past is no excuse for being abusive.
 
In my mind's eye I see--One angry woman, who hates and lets hate be the dominant over you.  As far as a slave arch-type,  I don't see a slave who trusts their Master to make good decisions.  I'm sure he knows all the hate you have and live for the opportunity to manifest it.  Identifying a prejudice is just the beginning to owning up to that prejudice.  Just like racial, gender, religious and or class prejudice it is born from a learned behavior.  Plus, you know that not all are worthy of the hate but, it is an justification for ugly, cruel behavior which is no less destructive then lynching.
 
Problem is--the hate you have, causes collateral damage.  Your hate, your attitude, your behavior hurt two people.  Congratulations on wounding your Master, congratulations on still taking pot shots on a innocent target who is waving the white flag in surrender, putting rounds into her, not to kill her off but, to make her suffer, crawl and degrade herself and at your mercy.
 
In my mind's eye I see, that you're just fooling yourself by your words of obedience to your Master and others would find you 'rash and defiant.'  Seems to my mind's eye-- you were defiant and rash with your Master and 'his' guest.  I venture to say, that your Master isn't aware that he isn't your dominant but, more like a 'catch/prize.'  If he crosses you--he'll be another excuse of being abusive.  Hate is your Master currently.
 
I would be extremely embarrassed as a owner of a slave who behaved in such a manner.  Most un-slave like.  Any 'alleged' slave manifested one tenth of the cruelty to another individual as a guest; they be uncollared and given some dollars and sent packing.  Just common courtesy in scene/lifestyle or vanilla; my guests are to be treated kindly.  If anybody can't stand them, excuse one's self and go out of the house, go to a movie, walk the wolves--go anywhere but, be in the house if they couldn't be civil. 

Wolves being scent qued, knowing that and they fed of your hate, you put into motion a dangerous situation. 

 
And, I do see in my mind's eye--that this is just the tip of the ice burg of the 'incident.'  There are two sides, in this case three sides to the story.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 


Wow! Awesome as always!

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 11:53:03 AM   
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 I've thought a little more about this...and frankly, whatever the OP's thoughts and feelings are regarding females.......she was faced with her Master breaking an agreement ON bringing another female *in*........... added to that.........her own home.

I've spent an hour imagining that scenario and my BEST behaviour would be going out for a VERY long wander with sprogs and dogs. I'd be crushed, actually, very crushed. While he reserves the right to do *whatever* he pleases.........there are situations that he WILL know or OUGHT to know will be damaging........and I do not even have any *agreements*.

Whatever the OP's *issues* are, regarding females ....they are almost irrelevant..........she may have had to face them at some point....but with a broken agreement, in her own home/safe place.........I think not.

I can imagine a VERY badly behaved slave here......in reply to a very badly behaved Master.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:00:12 PM   
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quote:

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Whatever the OP's *issues* are, regarding females ....they are almost irrelevant..........she may have had to face them at some point....but with a broken agreement, in her own home/safe place.........I think not.

I can imagine a VERY badly behaved slave here......in reply to a very badly behaved Master.

agirl


I tend to go by the rule that someone else's lack of manners is never a reason to forget my own.

Of course the dom was a total dumbass loser to cheat on his slave and bring another chick into things without consent and without warning this other girl what she was getting into.

But that doesn't excuse treating an innocent houseguest poorly- SHE has done nothing wrong as far as we can tell.  The fact that this slave has such obvious women-hating issues to the point that she can't be a good hostess to someone because they are a female shows some serious problems- but problems which are unrelated to the doms stupid and wrong behvaior.

I still like my suggestions- greet her warmly, offer her refreshment, tell the dom in private that he needs to get them both out of the house and apologize to the poor girl, thank the girl for coming and escort them both calmly out the door.

Get pissed at the dom, get enraged at the dom, heck dump the dom- but don't be rude to an innocent houseguest.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:01:13 PM   
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i agree with you agirl.  The "master" f***'d up big time, imo.  i think they've got bigger issues than just this one incident.  He (the master) was way out of bounds (imo) to take something that was agreed upon and suddenly 'change his mind' and to do it just because he calls himself master.  (Major pet peeve of mine, btw).

edited to add:  It was somewhat big of him to come on here and at least admit he fubar'd...(even though it never should have happened to begin with).

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:16:02 PM   
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Given the information that we had first - she never mentioned ANYTHING about having had an agreement that it would be monogamous.  I agree that the master in this case did, indeed, fuck up royally - however, so did she.  Her behavior was inexcusable if she sent someone home in tears without a damn good reason. 

If this person did not destroy property while cleaning, or do something to scare or upset the unmentionables, or do something to cause problems with the dogs (which, IMO shouldn't be kept as pets in a place without a yard - but that's a separate issue), then there is absolutely no excuse on this planet or any other for sending a guest home in tears.  The OP said nothing about the behavior of the girl who was brought in, which says to me that the girl didn't do anything that most people would consider out of line, other than being there - which we already know wasn't her fault, that was the fault of the master - so she did (and does, if she hasn't given them already) owe them both an appology, and the master owed both of the girls an appology.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:22:05 PM   
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i did not get the impression from his post that she did treat her poorly.  My impression (after reading his post) was that she came on here angry and venting, and not clearly stating the situation.  And had difficulty searching for words to express what she was feeling (i do that all the time myself).  imo there were two victims here, 'his' slave and his friend.  He treated both badly.



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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:40:49 PM   
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The both have some issues if you look at previous posts. He fucked up by breaking the agreemnet. She was rude and got away with it. I agree I would have been angry also for breaking the agreement but there are more adult and respectful ways to handle it. Misery loves company.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:43:13 PM   
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Bottom line is that she asked if she should have to apologize.

She should. She was rude and inconsiderate; just as much as he was.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:44:04 PM   
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In answer to the question she is a slave with no owner.  Despite people thinking I was not very welcoming I will admit I am not good with words.  I hardly talk which to alot people seems like I'm just uncaring.  Despite my hatred I still tolerate many females daily.  Including my oldest.  Its a general thing due to experience and not directed at one individual.  Every person is given a fair chance whether they are male or female; black, white, green or blue.  They are all treated with the same respect irregardless unless they happen to be my ex, my oldest's father, my best's friend's ex husband, or the female that pissed in the water cooler.  I don't talk to people on a daily basis.  In fact the last phone call I had was 3 days ago and that was from my friend in Russia wanting to know what I was doing in the summer since she wanted to come to the states to visit.  As for the whole incident.  I had gotten home from work which was a usually day of paper work over computers and radios.  I'm sure I stunk and looked even worse with remants of oil on my face since I had changed the oil in my truck at work.  And it was probably insult to injury having a coke in one hand, a bowl of chili in the other with a cracker in my mouth when I answered the door.  All I seen was master get out of his car.  Didn't see his friend till I opened the door.  All I could do was bow slightly and let them in.  And trust me you don't want me to smile.  I look evil when I do.  Not trying to scare her, which she already was at the sight of Charlie.  Not to mention I was still in uniform, so I don't think she was expecting to see a marine.  As for Dakota and Coffee I didn't think about them at the time.  Yes Coffee was in a room with my oldest.  Dakota likes to sleep in the hall and was probably more surprised to be tripped over.  Master's friend had already been given a coke and asked if she was hungry.  She wasn't mistreated or made to feel unwelcome in my home.  That she even expressed herself.  There is a resolution now and master's friend has decided to come back as a guest and not a slave.  Hopefully her next visit will be much better for her.


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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:44:52 PM   
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I agree. I would never treat someone like that in my house. Im sure her Master was embarassed. No matter what happened she needs to offer an apology for being a bad hostess.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:46:15 PM   
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If she did not treat the master's friend poorly, then why would she have been crying shortly after arriving?  The OP stated:

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  He had brought a slave over to play with and needless to say the slave was crying shortly after.


If nothing happened, what could have made the girl start crying?  I gathered from what was said that the OP and her master were both there, so it wasn't like the friend had just been abandoned at a stranger's house.  It was also stated that the dogs - who were making the girl nervous - were left out.  I don't care if there is no yard and the dogs can open doors ... first of all, they should be trained well enough to stay put when told, and second, there are ways to keep dogs where you want them - padlocks, if nothing else.  That alone is a breech of common courtesey, IMO, even if there wasnt' anything else - but other things were implied.  Like the fact that the OP has a hatered towards women, the fact that the OP 'doesn't take kindly' to other people doing her chores (which, I'm guessing the girl had been told to do those things by the master) and the fact that the OP (without any explination of why) felt the need to 'guard' the unmentionables.  I would keep an eye on things, but if someone that I supposedly trusted brought another person in, I wouldn't follow them around - that's rude, inconsiderate, and honestly, that alone could be enough to set a person over the edge, especially if they are already nervous because of being in a strange house that has large, uncontained dogs.  You might as well just say "I think you're an evil person that would harm a minor" and be done with it if you are going to behave that way around someone.

I still agree with you that the master is as much to blame as the OP, but the OP is NOT blameless in this situation.  She made someone that her master invited over cry.  That is wrong.  It doesn't matter if it happened at her house, his house, or in a public place, that isn't right to do to another human being - especially someone who hasn't done anything to you.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:47:20 PM   
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One the assumption that your report is the more accurate one, I hereby apologize to Wolf, for her own report, albeit sketchy, let most of us with the impression that she had brought much of it on herself.  IMO, she, as hostess, should still  render an apology to the guest, but only to the extent that the guest had an unpleasant experience.

You knew enough that you could have predicted problems, such as her aversion to other women and your standing agreement of monogamy.  With your actions, you managed to create a state of upset in two women simultaneously.  In the movie "Inherit the Wind", Harry Morgan, as the judge, cautions Spencer Tracy's character that the judge has the right to cite Spencer Tracy's character for contempt of court.  "You have the POWER", he retorts.

I think you should spend some time considering this incident in the light of what you have the right to do and what you have the power to do.  It is possible that you will conclude that you abused your power, thinking it was a right.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:47:38 PM   
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i agree major issues are going on there, imo.  My point is i don't know whether she was rude to her or not, she stated her case here in a rude manner that i too took offense to, but having not been there and without knowing exactly how she treated the friend, i have a hard time now of convicting her of being less than hospitable to a guest in her home, when she got blindsided by a boarish Master. (Just my opinion)

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:49:05 PM   
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No offense, but I'm not buying that nothing was done to make her feel unwelcome.  SOMETHING had to have happened or she wouldn't have left in tears.  Period.

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:50:49 PM   
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i have today off and am currently waiting to go to a meeting so i am responding lots today

He stated that the friend left in tears because the wolf (one of the real ones) scared her (unless i misread that and that's always a possibility).

~edited to add no offense taken~

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RE: Territorial? - 10/26/2006 12:52:01 PM   
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i agree major issues are going on there, imo.  My point is i don't know whether she was rude to her or not, she stated her case here in a rude manner that i too took offense to, but having not been there and without knowing exactly how she treated the friend, i have a hard time now of convicting her of being less than hospitable to a guest in her home, when she got blindsided by a boarish Master. (Just my opinion)

I have had people brought over to MY house before whom I stated to him that I DID NOT LIKE, and yet, I was always hospitable. Good manners and good upbringing demand no less; it matters not what her master did here. She should have been adult enough to fall back on good manners.

edited to add:

and she SHOULD apologize to the other girl for her lack of manners.

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