daddysprop247
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First of all prop, i do hope my post was not taken as a racial slur of any sort. i really did try hard to avoid that. i mean, it just so happens that i was making reference to black slavery and obviously, since you are black, it could come out sounding as something different than i intended. As i said to EO, i would have said the same thing if you were white. In any event, i do apologize if anything i said sounded racist in any way.
Now that being said, i do prefer to break this up into separate posts because personally, i hate those long-ass posts that never seem to end. And actually, i think it will be easier to distinguish the points i am trying to make. Also, when i refer to 'traditional slavery', yes, i will be referring to black slavery here in the US only because that is what i am most familiar with.
if one has limits (and not referring to actual physical limitations, as everyone and everything has, but things that one will make the choice NOT to do), then one is not a slave, imo. from my understanding of the term, a slave is property, without rights of any kind, including the right to limits.
Okay...i see clearly what you are saying here. But, what distinguishes us from say a car, is that we are human....with brains to think with, with emotions, with a psyche, and with a soul (of sorts).
From early on, we learn things that will eventually help us survive in life. We learn not to touch fire, we learn not to go jump off bridges, we know better than to go out in the cold without dressing warmly, etc.
So when one refers to themselves as property, i can see the analogy they are trying to make but we still can't discount the fact that we have many facets to us that property such as a car does not.
"Damn, it snowed last night....and i forgot to put my car in the garage"
"Damn, it snowed last night ....and i forgot to bring my slave in the house"
We obviously have a brain....and mobility....so that we can walk into the house if need be. We also have a survival instinct, don't we?
however i realize that many in the lifestyle use the term much more loosely, and for some even it is nothing more than a petname or something that gets them hot and bothered to roleplay. however there are a few of us weirdos out there who do actually live a D/s M/s lifestyle. and what separates D/s slavery from traditional slavery imo is the initial consent
Okay, i did take it that 'traditional slavery' was the US black slavery. Looking at it in that context, i agree that consent is the difference.
Now taking the example above, i suppose if a traditional master told his slave to go stand out in the snow for the night, even at the risk of freezing to death, that the slave may try to run away....or look for shelter. But i suppose you would not because you have consented to this type of treatment.
Although this is something i do find hard to believe, i will not question its validity in your relationship (or whatever term is used between owner and property).
first dg, thanks for taking the time and effort to clarify yourself and also for the apology. tho i understand no offense was intended, seeing as how i can only read your typed words and not see your expressions or hear your voice, it wasn't clear to me whether or not you were intending to insult.
you are correct, human property is very different from any other sort of property (car, house, etc.). we breathe, feel, think, suffer, etc. but being human doesn't change the fact that if one is property, they do not have the freedom to do what they will, even if that will is survival. now, there are some Owners who give standing permission to their slave (and in some cases this is even commanded) to protect themselves. given your left out in the rain scenario, such slaves would go take shelter, because it is what their Owner wills. my Master is different...He strongly believes it is his duty and his duty alone to protect me, not my own. so were such an unusual circumstance to befall me, i would simply remain in the last place my Master told me to be, until he retrieved me or told me to come in. because, this is precisely what he would want me to do. as for the survival instinct, this is not something everyone has, and even among those who do, it can express itself in different forms. for instance, my own survival instinct has always been to submit, not to run or fight. if one's survival instinct is of the fight or flee variety, and one is a consensual slave, then i would say that this is just something that would have to be worked on and controlled by both Owner and slave.
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