Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Consensual slavery? Or not?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? Page: <<   < prev  4 5 6 7 [8]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 9:04:04 AM   
daddysprop247


Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

now as to not destroying what is yours, as you said that is part of your own personal ethics as a Master. other Masters find great pleasure in destroying or damaging what is theirs. either way, that would be about the Master's personal limits (or boundaries if you will) and not those of the slave.


actually it would be about both... If a slave consents to a Master with what I consider to be the unethical pleasure of destroying or damaging their slaves.  The slave them is speaking of their own unethical values and very likely their own lack of self-worth and mental health.

I wonder how many Mentally Healthy persons would consent to slavery to an individual that would and will destroy and damage them?  I suspect you wouldn't find any.  I believe it entirely likely that a mentally healthy person will only consent to slavery to an individual they believe would never willingly destory or harm them.  Unfortunately.. there is alot of unhealthy individuals out there.

As far as your definition of never do... well.. frankly what you will never do today doesn't mean you will not do it tomorrow.  The probability is you will not... but with time and given the right circumstances, everything could change.  We are not capable of infinitely knowing every possibility that time could give us.  It is unrealistic to say that there is nothing I will not do... for we can't conceive of every situation.  All we can realistic state.."I can't conceive anything that I wouldn't do for my Master"  But, proof is in the pudding as they say.  Just because you conceive it..... doesn't mean you truly appreiciate the situation.  It's amazing how one's perspective of something they conceived before hand changes when they had to endure or enjoy it.

I recall the first scene that kyra watched me do.  Before she even came to see me she was very much made aware of what my sadistic desires are likely.  She went to the local play environment and became exposed to it.  Was warned that anything she saw there would be much tamer than anything she would experience with me.  She was nervous and truly believed that she would and could do what ever I wanted.  But all the doubts came flying up as she watched me play alandra as kicked and punched her.  She watch huddled in the corner terrified as alandra hung from the swinging pole and was very much unable to respond.  It is moments like these when what she concieved could compared to actually seeing it.... and even seeing it couldn't compare to actually experiencing it.  Now the silly girl aches to enjoy this type of play and chuckles at herself on how she first seen it.  This is a positive experience of an evoluation of conception to actualization of an event in ones life.  It is just as equally possible that it could be a negative experience.   Fortunately, when one is of the ethical nature of enhance themselves and their property... it has a decided impact of increasing the probability for positive experiences over the negative ones.



actually, it is quite easy for me to say and know that there is nothing i will not do (or be subjected to) for my Master because i understand that i do not have a choice in the matter. that is something i understood from day one of slavery...i can no longer choose to walk away, or refuse. and mentally i cannot even conceive of having such thought processes. most would probably say that is a sign of one who is not "mentally healthy", and perhaps they are right. i never claim to be perfectly happy, well-adjusted, or emotionally and mentally sound and sane. and honestly if i were, i seriously doubt that i could live this lifestyle and deal with many of the things that come my way.

but also remember this...people change. a Master may seem perfectly sane and whatnot in the beginning, but after 5 or 10 yrs suddenly subject their slave to more and more uncaring, grievous acts. that is why i made the choice to become slave with my eyes wide open....i felt that i had made a good choice, that my Master was at heart a very good man, and that he probably would not mutilate or kill me. however i also kept in mind that anything can happen, people can and do change, and that maybe one day he would mutilate or kill me. i made that final choice knowing that the worst was a possibility. and it's when i understood that, yet still could not fathom any other way of life, that i knew i was meant to be slave.

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 141
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 9:11:27 AM   
thetammyjo


Posts: 6322
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

i think what a lot of "no limit" people are trying to say is they dont have the ability to say No. They dont have a say in the normal course of things. i know when it comes down to it, i dont have a say. There is no - let me think about it, i'm not in the mood, i dont feel well, not tonight, eh i'm not interested. There is no "No" In the normal course of things. Alot of subs and slave have limits like - no being with the same sex, no this and no that, and no this and no that and the list goes on. For KOM it'd be something silly like "no spinach" Nothing drastic, nothing extrme, but things that people refuse to do.

What the "no limit" people are saying that in a normal course of things this is not an option. I have a personal limit of eating at Applebee's. I hate the whole food chain and have refused to enter any of its resturants in over 5 years. Yet if my Dom said we were eating at Applebee's, i'd be eating at applebee's. There is no refusal.

What i think is being argued is that the "non no limits" people are taking things way to the extreme, heck everyone is - and saying that is impossible to be no limits. I know, if my Dom handed me a meat grinder and told me to grind my own hand the thing would be broken and i'd be out the door in 2 secs flat.

i think the debate would go much better if everyone could just say "i am a no limits slave in the normal course of things" Luckily, even the definition of the normal course of things can be debatible so it could really float everyones boat.

edited to add - if anyone can say they would grind their own hand in a meat grinder - feel free to speak up and please include me when you do so. I think the look on your face would be priceless. That and i think i'd also like to see some one feed their own leg to a gator.



If not being able to say "no" is a criteria then Fox is a "no limits slave" in our daily lives.

"No" to my order or my desire is not allowed.

However, we do know each others limits be they emotional or physical and we knew them before we got together so we match on those things. We don't cross those lines because we are in alignment or the issues aren't important to us.

But Fox is expected to give me full information and to give me the entire story. So if he doesn't feel well, he must tell me -- he does say "no" but he needs to tell me so I can make the best decision for both us. That's part of my job: making the best decision but I cannot do that unless I have all the information.

Neither Fox nor I would ever define him as "no limits slave" however because neither of us would agree that was true.

To be honest, someone who was mentally or emotionaly unable to ever use a safeword or to say "no" or to stand up for themselves instead of putting a body part in a meatgrinder or stealing something on a command is not someone I would ever want to own. That way of thinking personally creeps me out. I don't believe I'd feel like I was getting much from such a person when they did obey me.

_____________________________

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

TammyJo

Check out my website at http://www.thetammyjo.com Or www.tammyjoeckhart.com

And my LJ where I post fiction in progress if you "friend" me at http://thetammyjo.livejournal.com/

(in reply to RiotGirl)
Profile   Post #: 142
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 9:11:42 AM   
adaddysgirl


Posts: 1093
Joined: 3/2/2004
From: Syracuse, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247


first i wish to clarify something posted by dg. i never stated that i have no survival instincts. i did state that all human beings do not have survival instincts, and even of those who do, it may express itself in many forms. i do have a survival instinct, it just so happens that my survival instinct is to submit, not to flee or fight. when pushed to that point in life, i have always simply submitted.

Yes, prop, you are right.  You did say 'as for the survival instinct, this is not something everyone has, and even among those who do, it can express itself in different forms. for instance, my own survival instinct has always been to submit, not to run or fight.'
 
i should have went back and referenced the post before i claimed you stated you had no survival instinct.  But i'm sure you are aware of my intent there. 
 
my apologies.
 
DG



(in reply to daddysprop247)
Profile   Post #: 143
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 9:18:01 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

actually, it is quite easy for me to say .


of course it is easy to say...... and that is the point. 

And many never experience situations that challenged or push the slave to walk the talk.  Those that do... generally only experience it infrequently at best.  Few ever have to walk in daily life knowing that today maybe a moment they are going to have to walk the talk.  Few ever have to spend days or weeks walking that talk.  Talk is cheap ... Talk is Easy.  I have much more interest in the walk!

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to daddysprop247)
Profile   Post #: 144
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 9:30:13 AM   
daddysprop247


Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

actually, it is quite easy for me to say .


of course it is easy to say...... and that is the point. 

And many never experience situations that challenged or push the slave to walk the talk.  Those that do... generally only experience it infrequently at best.  Few ever have to walk in daily life knowing that today maybe a moment they are going to have to walk the talk.  Few ever have to spend days or weeks walking that talk.  Talk is cheap ... Talk is Easy.  I have much more interest in the walk!



all of that is absolutely true and i agree with you. and of course it is easy to simply "say" anything. you partially quoted me...i hope that you read and understood the rest of my reply to you however.

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 145
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 9:32:43 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

...i hope that you read and understood the rest of my reply to you however.


yes I did understand it.

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to daddysprop247)
Profile   Post #: 146
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 10:11:03 AM   
Larathevalkyrie


Posts: 6
Joined: 4/13/2006
Status: offline 		I have been reading these forums for a very long time but never felt the need to post much because I feel the majority do not share my views in regards to slavery until I read daddyprop's posts on this subject. I too share many of the same beliefs as she does in regards to consensual non consent slavery and the limits that are being argured on this thread.

I consented to be BrutalAntipathy's slave knowing full well that our life is a live in 24/7 round the clock M/s dynamic and that is what I wanted. I gave up all control and in doing so gave up any right to have boundries or limits. I also know full well that he can change his own limitations as to what he wants from me and I can not nor will I ever say no to him. No is not in my vocabulary because it is my job and position in his life to obey and worship his commands at all times. Regardless of any change that occurs in My Baal's limits or boundries I will forever be his property and that does not mean he does not care for or cherish me because he actually deeply cherishes me as his prize possession. It is the same as owning a house. An owner can make any changes and modifications as they see fit because the house is their property just as I am his property. He can change my hair, my weight, piercings, brand me whatever and I can't even fathom saying no to him because as I have stated I gave up any and all rights to say no. Not to mention the mental and sometimes physical bonds make virtually impossible for a slave to leave. Unlike the sub that is free to leave at any time, a slave does not have that right after relinquishing control to another. In my opinion any slave that thinks differently is merely a submissive pretending to be a slave.

And I realize that most of you can not fathom our way of life or agree with our views and that is fine by us but it does not mean we are mentally insane because we choose to live a way of bdsm that is not typically seen as the norm.


_____________________________

Owned Property of BrutalAntipathy

(in reply to adaddysgirl)
Profile   Post #: 147
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 10:47:42 AM   
adaddysgirl


Posts: 1093
Joined: 3/2/2004
From: Syracuse, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Larathevalkyrie

I consented to be BrutalAntipathy's slave knowing full well that our life is a live in 24/7 round the clock M/s dynamic and that is what I wanted. I gave up all control and in doing so gave up any right to have boundries or limits. I also know full well that he can change his own limitations as to what he wants from me and I can not nor will I ever say no to him. No is not in my vocabulary because it is my job and position in his life to obey and worship his commands at all times. Regardless of any change that occurs in My Baal's limits or boundries I will forever be his property and that does not mean he does not care for or cherish me because he actually deeply cherishes me as his prize possession. It is the same as owning a house. An owner can make any changes and modifications as they see fit because the house is their property just as I am his property. He can change my hair, my weight, piercings, brand me whatever and I can't even fathom saying no to him because as I have stated I gave up any and all rights to say no. Not to mention the mental and sometimes physical bonds make virtually impossible for a slave to leave. Unlike the sub that is free to leave at any time, a slave does not have that right after relinquishing control to another. In my opinion any slave that thinks differently is merely a submissive pretending to be a slave.
 
i don't think the issue was sub vs slave (which has been hashed over a thousand times now).  Rather, the issue seems to be in the term 'no limits'.  Many slaves have come out and said they do have limits, but others came out and said they have no limits BUT they can leave the Master in face of severe bodily harm or death.  That then appears to be limit, doesn't it?
 
Prop (and a few others) state they have no such limits.  Others are arguing that point.


(in reply to Larathevalkyrie)
Profile   Post #: 148
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 11:00:33 AM   
daddysprop247


Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline 		Larathevalkyrie,

thank you so much for coming out and posting your thoughts on this issue. like you, oftentimes i feel like i am alone in my views or ways in the mainstream lifestyle sites, and it can be frustrating and awfully lonely. but by adding my different voice into the mix, i feel i'm showing others that there is another way to live this life, so that others who live this way (or who wish to live this way, for the newbies) know that they are not alone.

I consented to be BrutalAntipathy's slave knowing full well that our life is a live in 24/7 round the clock M/s dynamic and that is what I wanted. I gave up all control and in doing so gave up any right to have boundries or limits. I also know full well that he can change his own limitations as to what he wants from me and I can not nor will I ever say no to him. No is not in my vocabulary because it is my job and position in his life to obey and worship his commands at all times. Regardless of any change that occurs in My Baal's limits or boundries I will forever be his property and that does not mean he does not care for or cherish me because he actually deeply cherishes me as his prize possession. It is the same as owning a house. An owner can make any changes and modifications as they see fit because the house is their property just as I am his property. He can change my hair, my weight, piercings, brand me whatever and I can't even fathom saying no to him because as I have stated I gave up any and all rights to say no. Not to mention the mental and sometimes physical bonds make virtually impossible for a slave to leave. Unlike the sub that is free to leave at any time, a slave does not have that right after relinquishing control to another. In my opinion any slave that thinks differently is merely a submissive pretending to be a slave.

your reality and feelings above mirror my own, tho perhaps with the minor exception that i consider myself to be both a submissive and a slave...but that is another topic altogether.

dg says this is not about sub v. slave (or to be more specific, unowned sub v. slave). actually in some ways it is...because as i, my Master, and others like Larathevalkyrie and her Master, have always understood the concept, slavery means no limits...no boundaries...no rights. i don't understand the idea of one being a slave with limits, or a slave with rights, as imo that negates what it means to be slave in the first place. but that is the "reality" for many who claim that label. if only they could understand that the other side...where slavery is absolute and unconditional, where "no" is not in a slave's vocabulary...is reality for some of us out here.

(in reply to Larathevalkyrie)
Profile   Post #: 149
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 11:01:33 AM   
daddysprop247


Posts: 1712
Joined: 6/24/2005
From: DC Metro area
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247


first i wish to clarify something posted by dg. i never stated that i have no survival instincts. i did state that all human beings do not have survival instincts, and even of those who do, it may express itself in many forms. i do have a survival instinct, it just so happens that my survival instinct is to submit, not to flee or fight. when pushed to that point in life, i have always simply submitted.

Yes, prop, you are right.  You did say 'as for the survival instinct, this is not something everyone has, and even among those who do, it can express itself in different forms. for instance, my own survival instinct has always been to submit, not to run or fight.'
 
i should have went back and referenced the post before i claimed you stated you had no survival instinct.  But i'm sure you are aware of my intent there. 
 
my apologies.
 
DG





no need to apologize, it was a simple and understandable error, and yes i did understand your intent. no harm done. :)

(in reply to adaddysgirl)
Profile   Post #: 150
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 5:39:51 PM   
adaddysgirl


Posts: 1093
Joined: 3/2/2004
From: Syracuse, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

dg says this is not about sub v. slave (or to be more specific, unowned sub v. slave). actually in some ways it is...because as i, my Master, and others like Larathevalkyrie and her Master, have always understood the concept, slavery means no limits...no boundaries...no rights. i don't understand the idea of one being a slave with limits, or a slave with rights, as imo that negates what it means to be slave in the first place. but that is the "reality" for many who claim that label. if only they could understand that the other side...where slavery is absolute and unconditional, where "no" is not in a slave's vocabulary...is reality for some of us out here.


To comment on this....
 
When i first started questioning the alleged differences between subs and slaves, i could honestly find no substantial difference between the two. i mean, there seemed to be some implication it had to do with some degree of commitment, loyalty, devotion, service, what have you. Or it had to do with some 'mindset'. But i could see no validation to any of these claims. In other words, subs came out and said they had the same levels of commitment, loyalty, etc, as slaves claimed.....so it seemed the issue was really just too subjective to make any distinction at all.
 
But for some reason, there seems to continue to be the implication that slaves are more 'something' than subs. i still see no valid proof of this. Just yesterday, a 'new-slave' posted the following: they may know that they are submissive but becomming a slave takes total commitment and a willingness to serve another that you will accept as your Superior.  Now what does that imply?
 
Meanwhile, i come across the term 'no limits'. Now...what exactly does no limits mean? Well it seemed to mean that slaves have no limits (while subs do) yet a slave could leave a relationship where there was threat of bodily injury or death. Well, that's a limit, isn't it? But why do people keep insisting they are no limits if they do, in fact, have that limit (or boundary, let's say)?
 
Some slaves say they do have limits. Others say they have limits only as defined within their relationship. Okay, i can see that. But it still implies there are limits. Do people really just not get that implication?
 
Now prop, you distinguish that any slave has no limits....anything less is a sub (and i'm sure you will correct me if i am wrong  ). i do not tend to agree with that. i think there are both subs and slaves with limits....and there are those with no limits....and i will continue to challenge those who say they have no limits....with the same questions i asked you about kids and death. i just really need to know what they are saying.
 
And i don't know for sure if Lara is saying 'no limits' in the way you are. She is saying she is property and all that stuff....but i think she would need to clarify what 'no limits' means to her....and i would be interested in knowing. Or she could be just another one claiming no limits in her particular relationship. i don't know yet.
 
i think the terms in D/s have changed a lot over the past 20 years. Master certainly doesn't mean now what it did then....and i suspect the same with the term slave. Perhaps it's time for some new terms to keep up with the changing times.
 
One last thought prop....i think you should write an autobiography....'my life as a no limits slave'. From what i have read in some of your posts of what you have endured, i think it would be a best seller! And hey, with all the D/s fiction there is out there now....i think some real life experience would be a great basis for a book (just please let me know ahead of time so i can reserve a copy   ).
 
DG

(in reply to daddysprop247)
Profile   Post #: 151
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 6:53:26 PM   
Larathevalkyrie


Posts: 6
Joined: 4/13/2006
Status: offline 		To a daddysprop,
I want to thank you for your wonderful post and My Baal and I enjoy reading all you have to say. I find it refreshing that someone else lives and thinks along the same lines as we do.


To adaddysgirl,
In regards to your question on my "no limits", let me clarify what I mean. "No limits" means "no limits" including my life, my death and my body. I am fully aware that at any given moment My Baal could turn around and for example cut my fingers off, choose to kill me, prostitute me or sell me to whomever he wishes. These are factors I took into consideration when I decided to be his slave. Of course these are situations that I don't find pleasing what so ever and I could beg and plead til I am blue in the face but ultimately he has the final say because I gave up any rights to any limits when we got together.

Let me further explain my view. In getting together with My Baal, I moved across the country, left a high paying job, gave up my home and turned my entire antiques collection over to him because in being a slave, I am property and property does not own any property. Going further into my slave mindset, let me explain that even if someone such as yourself said, "Well you can leave anytime you wish." That is bullshit because the deeper you dive into a slaves mind, the more dependant you become on your Master for the simplest things you would take for granted. Think of my body as a car. I don't drive it he does and he controls my reactions, emotions and my biological functions from what I eat, when I sleep, when I urinate, when I may orgasm and the kind of shelter I may need.

Right at this very moment, I have permanent steel shackles on my wrists and ankles as well as a steel collar. Attached to my right ankle shackle is a 25 ft chain that is bolted to the wall in the livingroom. I can go anywhere in my house except outside. My Baal moniters my every move including how much computer time I get which is 30 minutes weekly. I'm online now because he wanted me to respond to your post and felt it was important enough to give me extra computer time to get our views across. I happen to love my life with My Baal and embraced the control of which he sets the pace of my life. He is whom I obey, worship, love and whom I always have to answer to in regards to my actions whether they are good or bad.

I hope this explains to you what I mean when I say "no limits".

_____________________________

Owned Property of BrutalAntipathy

(in reply to adaddysgirl)
Profile   Post #: 152
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 7:03:55 PM   
destinykitty


Posts: 33
Joined: 11/9/2005
Status: offline 		This is a topic I have struggled with for a long time. Master and I have had many conversations along the lines of if i can call a safe word and leave this at any time then I am not really a slave. I hated that thought and so we worked something out around it. I am Masters slave and property he can do what he wants to me when he wants. I have very few limits the only ones I really have being a result of being raped when I was younger. There are things I don't like doing there are things that others would call soft limits and Master and I work at over coming them. Ultimatly if he wants to do something to me he can. When he took me as his slave he made a vow to me - That he would always look out for my health and best interest and in that he will not cross things that I can not handle. Back to the 'its just a game if i can leave at anytime' Master and I came up with a way that I can end things but they dont end all at once. If I am unhappy, If I don't want to be his slave anymore I can ask him to release me. I have to ask him thee times on three consecutive days if I do then he will release me and we will sit down and discuss where we go from there. If I ask once and not the next day or even if i ask twice and not the third day then next time I still have to ask three times in three days. If I do ask Master and I sit down and discuss what is wrong and see how we can fix it...so far in a year I have asked once and it was nothing to do with Master it was all to do with the limits I was placing on myself (My family needed me and i didn't want to ask for time to go to them because i had to be to my mind at least what was the perfect slave)

Destinykitty

(in reply to Larathevalkyrie)
Profile   Post #: 153
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/12/2006 7:20:50 PM   
RiotGirl


Posts: 3149
Status: offline
quote:

know, if my Dom handed me a meat grinder and told me to grind my own hand the thing would be broken and i'd be out the door in 2 secs flat. 

So would you consider this a limit....a boundary you would not cross if so commanded by your Master?


Personally, i know my limitations and i do not see my self capable of grinding my own hand in a meat grinder. Definetly not because some one commanded it.  I might though, suggest they seek immediate proffessional help and locate the phone book for them.  You know self preservation can be a real bitch and i am in no shortage of it.

quote:


So maybe this makes me a 'no limits mom'.   Anybody else?


Oh hell yes.  Yet it is a major difference.  Though i doubt i would stick my hand in a meat grinder if something like that would occur.  i dont think it would be wise to be maimed or harmed in that situation.  Not excatly sure how you would ensure the safety of your child?  Situations like that there is no ability to discern what the other person would or would not do.  Sometime in situations if there is no physical way to beat the scenario, you have to take it mental.  Sometimes patience is the best weapon.

Now, being no limits and protecting some one with your life is two different things.  I would die, murder, maim, steal, suffer for some one i loved.  Including my Master.  I have no issue protecting some one.  Course i would consider those measures a tad bit extreme and only something i would use if what i considered "war" were to occur. 

Yet completely different from saying "yeah i can chop my leg off and feed it to a gator" 

(in reply to adaddysgirl)
Profile   Post #: 154
RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? - 11/13/2006 7:19:18 AM   
mountainpet


Posts: 40
Joined: 6/24/2005
Status: offline 		People sincerely believe they are what they say they are.  There are many instances of people passing lie detector tests because they believed they were telling the truth.  There have been cases of people being shown movies of themselves doing things, and still hotly denying that these things happened- not lying; but to a large extent our world is what we perceive it to be. 

People who think of themselves as slaves are slaves in their worlds.  The fact that they aren't in MY world has no relevance to them.  The fact that they consider themselves as slaves has no relevance to me, unless they expect me to treat them differently in some way than I would normally.  That won't happen; nor will I expect them to make changes around me to fit my beliefs. 

The "limits vs no limits" controversy is pretty much the same- a semantic issue.  If you have limits, as I define them, then, in my world you are not a no limits sub or slave.  On the other hand, if you consider yourself no limits, they obviously in your world you have no limits. 

I don't understand why this has to be so divisive. 

(in reply to RiotGirl)
Profile   Post #: 155
Page:   <<   < prev  4 5 6 7 [8]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Consensual slavery? Or not? Page: <<   < prev  4 5 6 7 [8]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.141