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popeye1250 -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 7:13:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Nothing like a nice faith-based presidential administration to turn old-fashioned conservatives into proud moderates! L&M, I didn't vote for Bush, either time. I don't like extremists either on the Left or Right. And I do believe in a seperation of church and state as well as big business and state, things which Bush doesn't believe in. And I REALLY don't like holy rollers.

mnottertail -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 7:15:50 PM)
Praise Jesus and pass the ammunitions, and there will be a free will offering, which you will be subject to by law, right fuckin quick............ So, to be kinda haight-ashbury here....... What is carved on your gravestone, kids? Ron

thompsonx -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 7:51:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I just a slow ole country bumpkin from kain-tuck-ee. You expect anything else? FirmKY FirmKY: Actually no but I am an optimist and I did have hope. Thank you for your honesty though. thompson

FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 7:57:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I just a slow ole country bumpkin from kain-tuck-ee. You expect anything else? FirmKY FirmKY: Actually no but I am an optimist and I did have hope. Thank you for your honesty though. thompson That's ok, thompson, maybe you'll be sharp enough to trap this ole country boy some other time. Maybe.[:)] FirmKY

thompsonx -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 8:08:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I just a slow ole country bumpkin from kain-tuck-ee. You expect anything else? FirmKY FirmKY: Actually no but I am an optimist and I did have hope. Thank you for your honesty though. thompson That's ok, thompson, maybe you'll be sharp enough to trap this ole country boy some other time. Maybe.[:)] FirmKY FirmKY: Trap you??????????????????????????? thompson

Lordandmaster -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 8:08:59 PM)
Oh, get a room, you two.

ZenrageTheKeeper -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 8:10:50 PM)
People have the right to believe in whatever they want to, whether it is God, Allah, Zeus, Odin or purple leprechauns under their bed. Using religious faith to make yourself a better person is one thing - it only requires your own personal validation. Using religious faith to justify interpersonal actions is much trickier - and the part that most theists just can't grasp to save their lives. Like small children who can't play nice with their toys, sometimes you just have to take away theses nutjob's faith.

mnottertail -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 8:12:17 PM)
You sordid bastid Lam, can't you just feel the love between these two? Praise god, another right-winger was born unto us this day.

mnottertail -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 8:15:20 PM)
That is going way to far for me pal,,,,,,,,,,,,,, LOL, I have a right to intolerance, and by god I am gonna be it.

FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 8:17:31 PM)
huh? [sm=whoa.gif]

losttreasure -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 9:32:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Losttreasure, the problem with that is that there don't seem to be a lot of "conservatives" in Washington anymore. Out of control spending, borders, immigration, war, trade deficits, budget deficits, bigger govt., ever bigger budgets. I wouldn't call Bush a "conservative." He's been spending our money like a drunken sailor. In fact, he makes drunken sailors look miserly. The People spoke. "Slow it down!" sighs Popeye... you are right, there aren't a lot of conservatives in Washington anymore. I don't recall ever saying that I thought Bush was a conservative... or that the Republicans currently in Washington (including Bush) have my support. What I did do was put forth the notion that there are still Republican leaders out there who understand that "this election was ... a rejection of corrupt, complacent and incompetent government." That for those of us who consider ourselves to be conservatives, there is hope yet for future leaders who will actively support our ideas of limited government, free enterprise and individual responsibility with the conservative policies that we desire. Some prefer to see the glass half empty, and some prefer to see it half full.

dcnovice -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 9:55:21 PM)
This diehard Democrat would love to see this election as an endorsement of our views, but I honestly think that would be delusional. I think it was a primal scream, the electoral equivalent of that Network character who shouts, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore." Imho, people were voicing their frustration with instances of corruption and their concern over our seeming bogged down in Iraq. I suspect there was also simmering resentment over gas prices and the failure of government, at all levels (which includes my party confreres), to respond effectively to Hurricane Katrina. I also believe Americans have a fondness for divided goverment. We tend to be skeptical, probably wisely, about concentrating too much power in the hands of one party.

popeye1250 -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/9/2006 10:59:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: losttreasure quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Losttreasure, the problem with that is that there don't seem to be a lot of "conservatives" in Washington anymore. Out of control spending, borders, immigration, war, trade deficits, budget deficits, bigger govt., ever bigger budgets. I wouldn't call Bush a "conservative." He's been spending our money like a drunken sailor. In fact, he makes drunken sailors look miserly. The People spoke. "Slow it down!" sighs Popeye... you are right, there aren't a lot of conservatives in Washington anymore. I don't recall ever saying that I thought Bush was a conservative... or that the Republicans currently in Washington (including Bush) have my support. What I did do was put forth the notion that there are still Republican leaders out there who understand that "this election was ... a rejection of corrupt, complacent and incompetent government." That for those of us who consider ourselves to be conservatives, there is hope yet for future leaders who will actively support our ideas of limited government, free enterprise and individual responsibility with the conservative policies that we desire. Some prefer to see the glass half empty, and some prefer to see it half full. Losttreasure, I agree with you there! This has been one gluttonous Haliburton, Exon/Mobil, "K" street orgy on the Taxpayer's money.

juliaoceania -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 12:34:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy Hello A/all, I have a job as a highly paid union worker in one of the best unions in the country. Sometimes I get 2-5 hour breaks in the middle of the day. Some days I show up and get on the payroll and go home. Sinergy Hmmm... You might want to tone down the Marxism then. If the Revolution comes, your ass is gonna be up against the wall. The word Marxism is so upsetting to some that their heads do a 360 on their shoulders and green pea soup spews from their mouths at the mere mention of it.. part of what makes Marx a hero of mine, but I am just an easily entertained submissive type person, what the hell do I know.

ownedgirlie -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 12:45:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster You may be right (I don't keep score), but the very idea of a who's-been-a-bigger-asshole contest between the left wing and right wing of Collarme is exactly the kind of thing that drives most of the site's users away from the political discussions. quote: ORIGINAL: Level Left or right, good or bad. I'd have to say that here at CM, I've seen worse behaviour overall by some on the left. Sure, some on the right act dickly at times. But overall..... the venom, rightness, passive-agressiveness..... Am I going to name names? No... if people are too blind or stupid to see how they are, or if others are too blind or stupid to see how those in question act, I won't lose any sleep over it. *I surely don't intend this post to somehow indicate that I'm a lovely saint laughs...... but I'm pretty honest about when I'm a dick.* PS- let me say that there has, in recent weeks, been a couple more posters that seem to be on the right that may tip the scales of what I've said. It may be one reason, but not the sole reason. What drives me away from such discussions is the bulldog approach taken by some, who can not simply discuss and disagree, but must turn it into some sort of insult-hurling battle ground. That's the fastest way to lose credibility with me, and to lose my interest, also. There have been some really good discussions in the past, where lots of people disagreed yet discussed issues rationally. The bulldog tag teams get old, however. And what happens is more and more people eventually just drop out because it no longer feels productive, and the bulldogs are left in their own pit. I heard a sermon one time, of all things, where the pastor was warning people about judging others so much. He said pretty soon, your circle becomes so small that you're the only one in it. He made a great point.

happypervert -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 9:08:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: happypervert It's a refreshing change for you to acknowledge one of your snotty remarks; so far you've made a lot of similarly disparaging remarks and have tried to hide behind your phony decorum and act like you aren't being snotty. So thanks for finally being honest about it. Really, in this thread? Mind showing me? I mean other than my analysis, which wasn't done in sarcasm at all, and has proven to be pretty accurate, it seems to me. I really don't see the point, and I'll admit that I may have made a mistake. I thought you were making those disparaging remarks intentionally and then trying to pull an Eddie Haskell on us by pretending you didn't mean it; now I think you are just just a willfully ignorant regarding your snotty remarks even after you've been called on it by LaM, me, justheather, philosophy and others. So it would be a waste of time for me to pull examples because you'll just offer more disingenuous explanations that make sense only to you. So I apologize for giving you credit for being more clever and self aware than you are; I won't make that mistake again. And if you think I'm being snotty here, you're right! I just wonder why you can detect it in the posts of others yet fail to see it in your own (or just won't admit it).

popeye1250 -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 10:41:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster You may be right (I don't keep score), but the very idea of a who's-been-a-bigger-asshole contest between the left wing and right wing of Collarme is exactly the kind of thing that drives most of the site's users away from the political discussions. quote: ORIGINAL: Level Left or right, good or bad. I'd have to say that here at CM, I've seen worse behaviour overall by some on the left. Sure, some on the right act dickly at times. But overall..... the venom, rightness, passive-agressiveness..... Am I going to name names? No... if people are too blind or stupid to see how they are, or if others are too blind or stupid to see how those in question act, I won't lose any sleep over it. *I surely don't intend this post to somehow indicate that I'm a lovely saint laughs...... but I'm pretty honest about when I'm a dick.* PS- let me say that there has, in recent weeks, been a couple more posters that seem to be on the right that may tip the scales of what I've said. It may be one reason, but not the sole reason. What drives me away from such discussions is the bulldog approach taken by some, who can not simply discuss and disagree, but must turn it into some sort of insult-hurling battle ground. That's the fastest way to lose credibility with me, and to lose my interest, also. There have been some really good discussions in the past, where lots of people disagreed yet discussed issues rationally. The bulldog tag teams get old, however. And what happens is more and more people eventually just drop out because it no longer feels productive, and the bulldogs are left in their own pit. I heard a sermon one time, of all things, where the pastor was warning people about judging others so much. He said pretty soon, your circle becomes so small that you're the only one in it. He made a great point. Owned, correct. People need to realise that there are a lot more views in this country than just "Con" or "Lib," "Left or Right," "Dem or Repub". There aren't "only two sides" as far as politics goes. That type of thinking alienates people from both of those two partys. I look at the Dems and Repubs and try to glean the good from both as well as looking at different ways to do things. We should definately have more than just two partys. I don't like "either or" chioces.

FirmhandKY -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 11:00:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happypervert I really don't see the point, and I'll admit that I may have made a mistake. I thought you were making those disparaging remarks intentionally and then trying to pull an Eddie Haskell on us by pretending you didn't mean it; now I think you are just just a willfully ignorant regarding your snotty remarks even after you've been called on it by LaM, me, justheather, philosophy and others. So it would be a waste of time for me to pull examples because you'll just offer more disingenuous explanations that make sense only to you. So I apologize for giving you credit for being more clever and self aware than you are; I won't make that mistake again. And if you think I'm being snotty here, you're right! I just wonder why you can detect it in the posts of others yet fail to see it in your own (or just won't admit it). happy, No hidden meanings or sarcasm meant in my reply here at all (but I hope you don't mind a little levity). But I did want to address you. Normally, I'd just ignore such a comment, but I see you at least trying to meet me half-way, although I can tell it's hurting you. [:D] None of us are perfect, and I don't claim to be. I can be sarcastic, and I know how to hurl an insult as well. I also know that often times what comes across in the written word seems to have a greater sting than what is said, with all the other available paths of nuance and conversation. We see a post and have the time to ponder all the possible negative ways that it could have been meant. I'm also aware that some people don't always understand things that others write simply because they have a different experience in life. That's not a dig about education, or intelligence. If we were all the same, we wouldn't have anything to talk about, and forums such as this wouldn't exist. When I am just "having fun" on the forums, I'll joust with anyone, perhaps add a little snappy remark, or such. Pretty common I think. But the fact that you couldn't come up with any of my "insults" or "snarky" remarks is for a simple reason: except for the one time I intentionally made one to heather (and identified it as such) I made none. What I did do, and freely admit, is challenged some people. I held a mirror up to them to let them see what I saw. Doing that generally doesn't make people very happy, and I do it at a risk. I am aware of that, and accept it. I'm a believer that you can't really change people. They have to change themselves. When do they change? Generally when they are caught in "cognitive dissonance". When they recognize that they believe in two things, at the same time, and both of them can't be true. It sets up an internal conflict, and is the one of the rare times that growth can occur in an adult. But people don't like dissonance. They react to it. Often times they attack, especially when someone gets close to the mark on an observation or comment that endangers their world view on something. It's a defensive reaction, and completely normal. They lash out at the person who causes that feeling of unsettledness. They, in hindsight, see all of that person's comments in the most negative light. It's a feeling that may or may not be based in actual reality, but it certainly becomes their reality. There are rare individuals who are able to face the dissonance, and grow. I think you are one of those people. That makes me glad, and I hope it doesn't offend you. FirmKY

juliaoceania -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 11:24:38 AM)
cognitive dissonance... and yes I am familiar with the term, and here is another, confirmation bias, it might be more illustrative of the problems here... It is strange that so many saw the same thing that happypervert did, I guess they all have that same problem... interesting, reminds me of how crazy people think everyone in the world is sane but them. Perhaps the problem isn't with how the majority of people read your posts, but the problem is with the posts themselves... oh no, that could not possibly be the trouble now, could it?

popeye1250 -> RE: This Was a Great Election for Conservatives... (11/10/2006 11:30:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania cognitive dissonance... and yes I am familiar with the term, and here is another, confirmation bias, it might be more illustrative of the problems here... It is strange that so many saw the same thing that happypervert did, I guess they all have that same problem... interesting, reminds me of how crazy people think everyone in the world is sane but them. Perhaps the problem isn't with how the majority of people read your posts, but the problem is with the posts themselves... oh no, that could not possibly be the trouble now, could it? Julia, "crazy people think everyone else in the world is sane but them?" I don't have an insight into what crazy people think. I generally try to avoid them.

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