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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

And yet - you are still responsible for hte thread...
 
Interesting.
 
~J

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

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ORIGINAL: DreamyLadySnow

Frankly I am so tired of hearing that phrase. It didn't wash after the Second World War and it won't wash now.
Am seeing it in my local community with a lady I know - well I said all those things and ruined all those peoples' reputations because my master said they were bad people. I'm no longer with him so what I said then doesn't count.
Um, it might count to THEM.

Grr..you just hit a sore spot MagikSlave


LS

Sorry Miss I didnt mean too!!

it bothers me too thats why I posted this.

Magik's slave

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ORIGINAL: justheather

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Groans at this topic- just seems like a passive aggressive flame to me...including a lovely  suck-up to get support for your flame.

If another thread inspires you to write about a subject, why make it a personal attack against someone? No one here is perfect.

It seems to me as well that this topic could have easily been brought up without making it "about" another poster.

Yet another disconcerting trend...the "Im not making fun of you because we had a disagreement on another thread, Im just curious about the subject" thread. Yet the OP is more about the other poster than it is about the subject.

This subject was raised in a thread about definitions. There appeared to be a group of posters who believe that in an M/s relationship, the slave does not hold any personal accountability when following an order. The example given was more one of inconvenience and counter-productivity than a "right" vs "wrong" situation. I think that most people would understand, even if they disagree that it should be that way, that if a slave blindly follows an order that results in her performing an illegal act, in our society she would bear the legal consequences of said act.

The act referred to in the OP, in my opinion, was just a matter of petty annoyance.
No real ramifications, other than people getting their feathers ruffled, were felt as a result.

I wonder, however, how many slaves would assert that because master owns the whole of the body, mind and spirit, if she were still morally accountable for acts that might be considered immoral according to the belief system she held before becoming a slave (I assume she gives up her morality with the package? Not be facetious here).

Interesting idea, to me at least. Id like to see it discussed among those who consider themselves slaves.

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave
So what I want to know is what you all think.. I personaly think its a copout and a testament [of] immaturity to think being a slave means you dont have to be responsable for your actions... but maybe thats just me.

A slave's life is all about responsibility, in fact. The burden a slave shoulders is unconditional; perform a task and do it to perfection. There are few examples in our "land of the free" where interpersonal relations carry such dire consequences for shortfall. The cost of failure can be grim, depending upon the preference and disposition a Master or Mistress contains.

Regarding unquestioning obedience, I believe that is the only way of a slave. Any significant concession, amendment or deviation from this calls to mind a different creature, which should thus be differently named. While a slave is to take his or her keeper's word as the greater law, it is crucial to reflect deeply upon entering this form of bondage, for as a slave, one is still subject to the law of the land, and in its eyes one is not removed from answering to it.

Considering this, the importance of personal accountability in the choices one makes cannot be stressed enough. This is entirely different, however, than prostituting the idea of responsibility to legitimize a slave's disobedience.

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Apologies for you feeling pissy Majik, maybe you should take personal responsibility for your feelings ?

Seriously, it just needed to be said.Considering your flame was part of your topic, it can be addressed within the replies content.

The topic subject is a good one, however, to continue flaming someone else under the guise of creating another topic, just doesn't sit right with me.

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

I think submissives.slaves have the responsibility to choose the right partner in the first place - after that, they submit.

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

So -
 
If they choose and then their partner does something dastardly and has them "bury the body" - they screwed up/made a mistake because they chose the wrong partner?
 
Wonderingly:
 
~J

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

I think submissives.slaves have the responsibility to choose the right partner in the first place - after that, they submit.

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ORIGINAL: imtempting

I simply don't get this.

Many people on these boards say subs or the so-called slaves should obey no matter what and now your saying they should disobey at times.

Those same people say no matter what they should obey, as their dominant knows best. And if you do disobey does that mean you will get in trouble as maybe their dominant wanted them to suffer an injury as much as it is sad.

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ORIGINAL: slavejali
If they chose an axe murderer as a dom, they didn't take much personal responsibility for using wisdom in their actual choice of dom now hey.....

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Lets get real about this, we are in this game of domination and submission to actually submit, give over our authority, if we have to hold back at any point, it pretty much says we've chosen the wrong partner to begin with

(Just to clarify my word game..I see life itself as a game..I'm in no way meaning that I see our dominant/submissive relationships as a toy).

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Heck we have all these threads talking about how submissives are not weak etc....we have other ones where submissives are telling us that they would jump of a roof if their dom said jump...yet on the other hand, people are saying that they can't submit enough to just obey the person whom they have chosen to submit to because they are too smart for that? It just doesn't make sense to me...

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I really think in regards to submission/slavery, its in our initial choice of partners where the need for personal responsibility is more relevant.

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Sure...we also maintain personal responsibility in other areas. Example: I take personal responsibility towards my thoughts of pleasing Master and doing what he says. I take personal responsibility in doing my best towards my half of the relationship.

I dunno...I'm talking from the base of a solid long term Master/slave relationship. I"m also pretty experienced in life itself...if we just talking about someone new to the game, or someone who has not committed themselves to a long term committed Master slave relationship the rules would be different (comon sense rules).

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ORIGINAL: imtempting

You hear it all the time on the boards that these slaves say they are no limits etc, well a dominant should be more responsible for the commends if their wanting a no limit slave.

Goes to proove my point that slavery does not exsist in the lifestyle. Its just a form of being submissive as a sub would not do it but a slave has it droned into their heads they must obey.

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ORIGINAL: LordVelvet

I have no doubts that MY slave would do as she is told with out hesitation but I would never put her in a position that would morally or legal implicate her. If you care about your sub why put them in harms way?

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ORIGINAL: imtempting
Its just a form of being submissive as a sub would not do it but a slave has it droned into their heads they must obey.

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Lets get real about this, we are in this game of domination and submission to actually submit, give over our authority, if we have to hold back at any point, it pretty much says we've chosen the wrong partner to begin with.

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  I dunno...I'm talking from the base of a solid long term Master/slave relationship

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  You hear it all the time on the boards that these slaves say they are no limits etc, well a dominant should be more responsible for the commends if their wanting a no limit slave.

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  And, (pray tell) what slaves are you referring to that would simply 'do as told' without hesitation and/or second thoughts?

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All that I am saying is that there are slaves that do as they are instrusted by their Master's but as Master's it is Our responsibility to keep them safe, at least it is that way for Me.