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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 9:26:13 AM   
Lorelei115


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Maybe because some of us live in areas where we see first hand the effects of deer who starve to death during long, cold winters with not enough food in their natural habitat to go around

Lot of starving people in the world too. Should we go round shooting them.
It's nature and nature should run its course, not be interfered with.



I'm sorry, misst, but I have to disagree with you here. Humans are the reason nature is NOT running its course in this case. Humans have all but wiped out many of the deer's natural predators that would have kept their numbers in check. Starving to death during a long, cruel winter is not the natural course for a deer. When deer populations are running out of control, their natural course is to end up on someone elses dinner plate, be it human, mountain lion, or wolf.

On another subject, my applause to you, mistoferin, for being a responsible hunter!

Edited to add, I think I repeated a lot of what LT said. Sorry!

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 9:32:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

On another subject, my applause to you, mistoferin, for being a responsible hunter!


I second that...and agree about the comments regarding folks who only eat pre-packaged foods grown by others.  I've harvested chickens and rabbits...as well as much of my own vegetables, etc.  I think we live closer to the earth when we do so, which (in my mind) develops a fine educatoin and responsibility for the world in which we live.

Besides, actually 'hunting' game is infinately more humane than dealing with it the way most is raised & 'harvested'...

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 9:33:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hunting deer is necessary in most States. In Wisconsin there are way to many deer. 30,000 deer are involved in car crashes each year here.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 9:38:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW I also use the "I take personal responsibility for the death of the deer I eat instead of hireing an assasin to do the killing for me." argument. I hunt because it keeps me honest about the facts of life, that in order for me to live something else dies. Seperation from the killing doesn't make one noble, it takes them away from the natural order.


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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 9:45:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		you are so right Bearlee.
I wonder how many people would ever eat a chicken sandwhich if they saw how that chicken had suffered.
I  have  the biggest "beef" with the cow industry.
But to get back to the thread..We are the natural predaters of deer.
Coy dogs can only bring down the disabled or very young.
There was an old buck that had been born here on  my land..
he always came and bedded down in a gully every night.
He slept alone for the last three years.
When I went  away for a few weeks this summer someone shot him.
It really angered me because at best he would have been stew meat..so somebody killed him for what?
His rack?
Target practise?
He was so old he looked like a pinto horse with whit/grey patches.
He always ate with my horses..he was not going to starve ever.
I am for hunting 100 percent..but I hate trespassers with a passion.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 9:59:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		yepper Sir,
best turkey I ever ate was a wild one I cleaned myself.

There is something very spiritual about field dressing a deer.
Pulling the skin off while it is still warm..puts you in touch with
nature like nothing else can
It humbles me.
I know there are people reading this right now thinking "ewwwww"
or worse that I am deranged..
but I respect life more because I have seen so much death,
No I dont pull the trigger.
Not my job.
And feeling my place in this world is a comfort..
Hey.A duck was killed here a few weeks back..
I can afford to go out and buy duck.
But when a mishap takes a life on my farm..I  dont waste it.
And that was the best duck I  ever had.






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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 12:12:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Hunting deer is necessary in most States. In Wisconsin there are way to many deer. 30,000 deer are involved in car crashes each year here.


Studies show that there are over 1.5 million car/deer crashes annually that result in over 150 deaths and thousands of injuries. The automotive repair cost alone is over 1.1 BILLION dollars. Then you have to take into consideration medical care for the injured and costs due to lost work. It is also speculated that the numbers would at least DOUBLE if all of the unreported incidents are counted.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 12:17:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer

BTW I also use the "I take personal responsibility for the death of the deer I eat instead of hireing an assasin to do the killing for me." argument. I hunt because it keeps me honest about the facts of life, that in order for me to live something else dies. Seperation from the killing doesn't make one noble, it takes them away from the natural order.



Thank you. I take this responsibility very seriously also. I am not a "sport" hunter. I have a great love for animals and nature. When I take the life of an animal it has a profound impact on me. It is not something that I do casually and it is not something that I take for granted.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 12:43:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like that other hunter had a lot in common with this guy:

http://www.courttv.com/trials/berseth/backgrounder_ctv.html

Too bad this guy was a better shot.


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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 1:17:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those of us that live in rural areas have learned to stay close to the house during hunting season for this very reason. 

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 1:32:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Those of us that live in rural areas have learned to stay close to the house during hunting season for this very reason. 


....and wear bright colors that can't be mistaken for deer!

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 1:41:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		No kidding La T; when I lived at my cabin, which was located in a little 'bowl'; several times I heard guys up on the RR tracks shooting OVER MY HOUSE!   <sigh> 

Tresspassing MORONS!!!    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Yup, I used to keep my dog very close to home then, too; even though I lived in a 'gated community'...it was off-grid and in prime hunting territory to all the trespassers around.  There outta be a law!   

Oh, wait... there IS!!!

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 1:53:16 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Yes, my horses have to stay in the paddock up near the house also. I have heard about too many cattle/etc. that somehow looked like a deer. Personally I do not see much similarity but those city boys with too many beers in them and itchy trigger fingers occasionally do.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 2:00:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I once lived in a place that had opening day off of school , it was a holiday. I made sure everyone stayed inside anyone who had to venture outside was dressed in florescent colours.

I am not against hunting at all , many people I know lived off the meat that they hunted but opening day bought all the inexperienced people up to the country and put them out there with loaded weapons.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 3:05:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Maybe because some of us live in areas where we see first hand the effects of deer who starve to death during long, cold winters with not enough food in their natural habitat to go around

Lot of starving people in the world too. Should we go round shooting them.
It's nature and nature should run its course, not be interfered with.



I'm sorry, misst, but I have to disagree with you here. Humans are the reason nature is NOT running its course in this case. Humans have all but wiped out many of the deer's natural predators that would have kept their numbers in check. Starving to death during a long, cruel winter is not the natural course for a deer. When deer populations are running out of control, their natural course is to end up on someone elses dinner plate, be it human, mountain lion, or wolf.

On another subject, my applause to you, mistoferin, for being a responsible hunter!

Edited to add, I think I repeated a lot of what LT said. Sorry!


What are you disagreeing with?
I said nature should be left alone which only goes with your statement of humans causing this problem. We shouldnt be doing that.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 3:09:26 PM   
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Maybe because some of us love the beautiful deer enough to understand that their conservation is vital....and hunting is a vital part of their conservation. Maybe because some of us live in areas where we see first hand the effects of deer who starve to death during long, cold winters with not enough food in their natural habitat to go around, or struck by cars due to overpopulation, or mauled by dog packs and we understand how much more humane death by bullet is than death by starvation, Ford or being eaten.

Really now....you are speaking to one who used to be one of the most rabid anti-hunters you could have ever encountered....until I decided to educate myself and realize what a hipocrite I was being to condemn hunting and then turn around and go buy a fast food hamburger or pay the anonymous "animal murderer" who contracts with the local market to bring steak to my table so that I didn't have to get my hands dirtied by the process.

Amen to that

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 3:12:23 PM   
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Hmmmmmmmmmm...there are just too many of us. 

And I can't begin to tell you how many people move out here...wayyyyy away from the city to be 'one with nature'; only to decide to kill all the big cats and bears they can find thinking they'll keep their children safe while playing in the woods...

<shakes head>
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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 5:42:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Why folks??? Why would anyone take a shot at something that they had very little chance of hitting? Why would anyone take shots at a deer that is running full tilt through dense woods?



Why would a rational person shoot an animal with no ability to have a level playing field like Bambi?

You want excitement of proving you are a superior carnivorous hunter, and the thrill of the hunt, go try to kill Hippos with a knife.

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 5:51:40 PM   
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If you live it is a certainty you will die, you are part of the cycle, and you can rail and piss and moan, but your living impinges on everything in the world.

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Read his sig line...........

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RE: A hunting story/Rant - 11/16/2006 5:56:16 PM   
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I once lived in a place that had opening day off of school , it was a holiday


Places like that still exist.  Deer hunting is a big sport in my geography.  (They even made a movie about it, well, that and a war). If people use what they kill, I have no problem with it.  But I also eat beef and like leather.  Does that make me a barbarian?

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