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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/5/2006 6:35:33 PM   
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PS - Don't know how Ya'll do it.....these long posts are draining


You know, I was thinking the exact, same thing...

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/6/2006 12:32:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		"In my eyes, big business owns the government, therefore, big business is the government."

This is about the long and the short of it.  It's not in enough people's eyes (or brains).  We live in a Matrix, and most people are contentedly or miserably living their lives, essentially blind.

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/6/2006 1:26:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		With regard to Synergy's demolition of my point that Hydrogen may be a fuel of the future, OK bad mistake by me, but my underlying unspoken point was that Science/Technology do not stand still and therefore I believe solutions will be found, I mean to the energy resource problem. I expect this will require major lifestyle changes/reductions to what many experience today.

With regard to the underlying economic diffculties facing the US then this just appears to be in the cycle of things. ie nations rise to power, abuse that power overstretch themselves and then decline. The UK seems at the moment to have come through such a decline and for many here life is quite good, for others not so good. I freely admit I dont understand what is keeping us going the way we are. We have had lots of Jap investment and we buy so much from Europe/US/Japan/China that I think it is not in the interests of the foreign governments to allow the pound to sink to its true level...ie sweet FA !

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/6/2006 2:51:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

We have had lots of Jap investment and we buy so much from Europe/US/Japan/China that I think it is not in the interests of the foreign governments to allow the pound to sink to its true level...ie sweet FA !


When people say that Britain produces nothing they underestimate such industries as financial services, the British music industry which from the sixties has out performed car and steel industries even when we had them. Why are so many racing companies based in Britain? Why do car companies like BMW have their body panels sculptored here etc? Why do many Japanese car companies have design shops here? The expertise is here that is why. The problem in the mass car production was our management was crap and couldn't utilise the expertise on its doorstep or manage a workforce. However, British engineering companies have abandoned consumer products for infrastructure projects such as dams and power stations etc, products you won't see on the high street and there is some way to go before developing nations can compete with them with cheap labour. Also, in our day and age, software and research companies should be looked at in the same light as manufacturing industries used to be seen.

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/6/2006 1:08:03 PM   
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We have had lots of Jap investment and we buy so much from Europe/US/Japan/China that I think it is not in the interests of the foreign governments to allow the pound to sink to its true level...ie sweet FA !


When people say that Britain produces nothing they underestimate such industries as financial services, the British music industry which from the sixties has out performed car and steel industries even when we had them. Why are so many racing companies based in Britain? Why do car companies like BMW have their body panels sculptored here etc? Why do many Japanese car companies have design shops here? The expertise is here that is why. The problem in the mass car production was our management was crap and couldn't utilise the expertise on its doorstep or manage a workforce. However, British engineering companies have abandoned consumer products for infrastructure projects such as dams and power stations etc, products you won't see on the high street and there is some way to go before developing nations can compete with them with cheap labour. Also, in our day and age, software and research companies should be looked at in the same light as manufacturing industries used to be seen.


I will add that when you consider Britain is a small country off the North West of Europe the innovation in this country is astounding.

I could give you a list as long as my arm but I'll start with 25% of the world's current top 100 drugs/medicine are British inventions.

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/6/2006 1:30:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

With regard to Synergy's demolition of my point that Hydrogen may be a fuel of the future, OK bad mistake by me, but my underlying unspoken point was that Science/Technology do not stand still and therefore I believe solutions will be found, I mean to the energy resource problem. I expect this will require major lifestyle changes/reductions to what many experience today.



It was not my intention to demolish your point, seeksfemslave, only to draw attention to the fact that the current administration in the United States seems to enjoy standing at the podium making statements like "Hydrogen is the future" without having any sort of clue at all about what is involved.

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With regard to the underlying economic diffculties facing the US then this just appears to be in the cycle of things. ie nations rise to power, abuse that power overstretch themselves and then decline.



The book "American Theocracy" made that point quite well.

But it also coupled it with historical examples of nations on their way out turning to fundamentalist religious structures to try to pretend it was not happening.

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The UK seems at the moment to have come through such a decline and for many here life is quite good, for others not so good. I freely admit I dont understand what is keeping us going the way we are.
We have had lots of Jap investment and we buy so much from Europe/US/Japan/China that I think it is not in the interests of the foreign governments to allow the pound to sink to its true level...ie sweet FA !



The English people have done surprisingly well considering the United States actions after world war 2, where they rebuilt and retooled the industries of Germany and Japan to function as a preventative from Stalin conquering Europe, and let Britain and France basically rot.

There was a time in my life where I felt great things about the United States.  But ever since Congress was taken over by the Republicans I have watched the New Deal-type packages, support for the sciences and the arts, funding for education, etc., get the axe, I have felt rather strongly that it will soon be time to learn how to speak Chinese.

Perhaps there will be a renaissance, but until we get visionaries like JFK in our government, I imagine we in the United States will be relegated to trying to play catch-up. 

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/6/2006 9:08:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think we have the choice to buy American in many products. Television was invented here, but I realize it was concurrently invented in England. Televisions have not been manufactured in the US at all for decades. Although Ampex pioneered helical scan video recorders, they never saw the mass market of VHS. The only video cassete recorder built here was a big flop, the Ampex was reel to reel. Sure as hell, they wound up getting built in Japan not too long after.

Even if one foregoes TVs VCRs and DVD, computers, all of that, even a car built in the US has alot of imported componernts. They don't make ceiling fans much here anymore either. That's why Home Depot lobbied for a temporary estopment of tarrifs on them a few years ago. Our assholes gave them what they want too, probably didn't give it a second thought.

A few things are actually made here. You can actually buy stereo and music euipment made here, but it is esoteric and expensiv. It is not mass market. The only other thing I can think of still made here that is mass market is paperclips. Posibly thumbtacks, little help here ? And no, weapons are not mass market.

This reminds me of something, I am not quite sure how this fits into the thread, but I am reminded of Bosch tankless hot water heaters. They were prohibited by the govenment. These things are seriously efficient, but a bit expensive to install.

In that case the government is forcing waste. My problem is that they are willing to do that. Guess who lobbied for that ? The simple fact is that the US government has been invaded by traitors. The mechanism by which this happened is complex. It is clear, however, that events in 1913 were a big victory for the traitors.

The thing that bothers me is, even if I buy a generator for my house, how would I fuel it ? ITSHTF and we don't even have electricity, why should I assume we would have gas staions or other utilities ? For years we have avoided replacing the downstairs furnace because it does not require electricity. I am reconsidering, if we lose power, isn't gas pumped by electric motors ?

Yes, if the shit hits the fan we might just become the huddled masses. We are seriously unprepared for any interruption of services, as well as imports. So many things are not made here, the option simply does not exist to buy American.

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/7/2006 1:27:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Termyn8or: How about commercial airliners and electronic test equipment. The latter is a multi zillion dollar/pound market and many American firms existed, at least when I worked with electronic "stuff" 25 years ago. Tektronix, Hewlett Packard are two that spring to mind. Their products were always accurate stable and totally reliable.

I see the latest European Airbus, massive great thing carrying about 550 people, is showing ominous signs of having major technical problems, hence delays and then.......cancelled orders. Oh dear!

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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/7/2006 1:49:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

We have had lots of Jap investment and we buy so much from Europe/US/Japan/China that I think it is not in the interests of the foreign governments to allow the pound to sink to its true level...ie sweet FA !


When people say that Britain produces nothing they underestimate such industries as financial services, the British music industry which from the sixties has out performed car and steel industries even when we had them. Why are so many racing companies based in Britain? Why do car companies like BMW have their body panels sculptored here etc? Why do many Japanese car companies have design shops here? The expertise is here that is why. The problem in the mass car production was our management was crap and couldn't utilise the expertise on its doorstep or manage a workforce. However, British engineering companies have abandoned consumer products for infrastructure projects such as dams and power stations etc, products you won't see on the high street and there is some way to go before developing nations can compete with them with cheap labour. Also, in our day and age, software and research companies should be looked at in the same light as manufacturing industries used to be seen.


MeatCleaver :

What I hear you saying {and by all means correct me if I am wrong}is that countries like yours and mine have a good design with our symbiotic relationship with the third-worlders ; where we do the thinking and they do the grunt work?

The problem with that is it's self-cannibalizing. They eventually evolve and through back-engineering and technology transfers {through bribes} those who've originated the thinking process are reduced down closer to that of the grunts. In other words....the process of evolution in this regard isn't fast enough to keep all the thinkers working. At least that's the case in our relationship with China as I see it.





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RE: Our Falling Currency - 12/7/2006 2:04:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Japan is a good example of the above argument. Take Motor Cycles

When Jap bikes first appeared at the TT ( a major road race on the Isle of Man) they did not do well and were subjected to a condescending attitude of  "no problem there then"

Within very few years they swept the market and led it to even wider acceptance with highly sophisticated totally reliable innovative products.
When 2 strokes reigned supreme Suzuki I think hired a designer from East Germany, NSU I think, and produced Motor Cycles that were so blindingly fast that they almost left the ground. Vertically I mean. Naturally enough commercial success followed. Same with Honda and 4 strokes.

At least in the UK we have a Motor Cycle museum.

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