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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 2:07:18 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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ORIGINAL: Darthbetta
I donno... there are a few GOOD Whiskey lovers on this site.... I do like the taste actualy :)

LOL, Lily did say you like to knitpick buckethead... M

Oh Damn... I love my 4 cuffs, but I will have to slow way down on the postings, or I'll lose the lovely cuffs... I wonder if mods could keep us at Perverted, lol.... I REALLY loved twisted (perfect description for me) with 2 cuffs (because I'm monogamous, and don't like them on me (but I suppose 4 is good, covers hands and feet)... I'm babbling, and no, am not drunk...

P.S. I have noticed you and the BigBossman love it for the taste..

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 2/18/2005 3:14:16 PM >

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 2:55:10 PM   
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Of course people use it to relax, I mean no one really drinks because they Loooove the taste, do they?


OK I know it was a rhetorical question, but I do drink mostly for the taste. I never liked the feeling of being drunk, though this isnt' to say it doesn't happen, but it is a rare occurance. My favorite alcoholic beverage is an Islay single malt scotch (Lagavulin specifically), but I am known to enjoy some brandys (cognac, armagnac), belgian ales, stouts and the occasional mixed drink. A friend recently gave me a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue label which is a very fine blended whisky, but I'd never buy a bottle - it's damn fine but not worth the price tag IMO.

My prefered intoxicant when I need to relax, unwind or hit that pychotropic zone is actually Cannabis. It's non-toxic, extremely safe (compared to any drug prescribed, OTC, alcohol or illicit), it delivers a nice buzz and is relatively inexpensive for a casual user. As a former abuser of hard drugs, I am very picky about intoxicants. Opiates, barbiturates and amphetamines are out unless medically warranted and alcohol just doens't feel good past the mild 'tipsy' stage for me.

As for the OP's question. I think it's a matter of individual preference, moderation and common sense. There would be many variables as well: how does a particular substance affect the individual(s) both physically and mentally, what is one's experience level, how well do the tops/bottoms know each other, the level of play, public or private, ad infinitum.

I like to have my wits about me at all times (especially when playing), but I don't lose my wits after only a couple drinks or a few tokes. But that's just me.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 3:59:45 PM   
Goodmix


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

I think it's a fairly safe drug when used in MODERation.
Of course people use it to relax, I mean no one really drinks because they Loooove the taste, do they




BLKTALLFULLFIG,
Thank You for your kind words,
Yes, alcohol is safe when used in moderation, but the alcohol controls you, instead of you being able to control it ~ that's a problem.
if you NEED a drink to relax (or are using for another reason ~ like being able to handling abuse ~which was my case) then it is no different than using an any other drug.
the last 5 years of my marriage i drank so i could handle the abuse, but i can tell you that i DO LOVE the taste.
i was born & bread in Maryland, and in my opinion there's nothing that tastes as good as a cold beer with steamed crabs. There's a bar in Ocean City Maryland called the CORK BAR, that serves Michalob draft in frosted mugs. in the 20 years of my patrinage, i have never,never, ever gotten a draft without a FRESH frosted mug, and after a few hours on a hot summer day of walking the board walk, it tasted like heaven. how about mud slides, or a nice red with with a great steak? i did drink for the taste too.

again, i am not saying that everyone stop drinking, but...if you need a drink (or use something else) to relax so you can particapte in BDSM, it's either not for you, or you may have a problem.

BTW, it is becoming more & more socially acceptable NOT to drink in the vanilla world , and in ours...

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 4:54:10 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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ORIGINAL: Goodmix
Yes, alcohol is safe when used in moderation, but the alcohol controls you, instead of you being able to control it ~ that's a problem.

the last 5 years of my marriage i drank so i could handle the abuse, but i can tell you that i DO LOVE the taste.
i did drink for the taste too.

We agree that alcohol in moderation (not let me drink so I can forget/not deal with life) is fairly safe (unless one is allergic).
For the record, though I have joked about feeling like the osbournes, I most definitely do not have a problem with any substance, because no one is more vigilant over my potential dependence on anything, and I don't do anything regularly enough to worry about it being a problem (not even sex)... Oh, wait, maybe shopping...

Like I said in 1st post, I'm a 2-3(normal) drink maximum kind of girl, and that may slightly impair my inhibitions when it comes to speech, but I've never done anyone or anything illegal on account of alcohol.

I sympathise with your predicament, and if I were your sister or Husband (figurative), I probably would not drink in support of you... Than again you wouldn't need to on my account, I would never abuse another.
Oh yeah, we agree on something else: Frozen mudslides are awesome, but they're so heavy, I'd probably throw up before I got drunk hah? M

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 5:19:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I would be a tad left of center, simply becuase I don't like to be in the middle. After reading the posts I would have to agree with "a little" would be OK but too much is too much. One person posted a valid point, that if they want to drink, they will, even if they have to sneak around. Personally, although I do enjoy a drink, when I'm scening in public I have two reasons I want to be fully in control. First and foremost is safety, although I may feel I am in control, we do admitably use some toys that if not controlled correctly could do harm. Even if I am sure I would not have a mishap, I don't want my sub to have to even have to think about the possibility. Secondly, and probably more an egotistical reason that I want to be in total control, is I want to look good in front of my peers. I know this sounds self centered but anyone who has ever scened in a large public dungeon knows that they are on display, you are at that point in time the entertainment. This would not be a good time to have to utter an "oops". I will wholeheartly admit however that after I am done, I do want that drink...lol.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 5:29:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Goodmix

Alcohol is a drug. it changes our personalities and perceptions. even if it is used "to relax"



Actually, not to nit-pick or hijack the thread, alcohol does NOT change personalities in many people - it simply exaggerates them. Yes, we all know people who DO change, say from perfect gentleman to aggressive thug, when they are DRUNK (not just buzzing), but for me it simply makes me more extroverted, a good thing since I'm introverted usually, and hail fellow well met when I'm past the buzz stage. And amorous LOL. Not that I need that to be honest.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 5:39:54 PM   
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alcohol does NOT change personalities in many people - it simply exaggerates them.


Yes, but as George Carlin said; "What if your an asshole?"

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/18/2005 8:51:30 PM   
harmony3709


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quote:

alcohol does NOT change personalities in many people - it simply exaggerates them.


Yes, but as George Carlin said; "What if your an asshole?"



LMAO!

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/19/2005 11:03:09 PM   
NoPinkBalloons


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Status: offline 		I went to a party tonight. Before I even had my jacket off someone was asking me if I'd play later. I'm always up for that. :)

So...I had some good food, and a couple of glasses of wine, and did some socializing. Later on I strapped a friend up in a relaxicisor (totally kewl toy! they make neat stuff in the 50's!) and zapped the hell out of him with a violet wand. Oooooohhhhh.....electrical play and alcohol! Ya know what? We both had a great time, and nothing untoward happened. I didn't feel the least bit altered by the wine, and my judgement was just fine. There were plenty of people standing around who would have stepped in (including my friend's wife) if I had been doing anything that might have damaged him. I'm quite sure his penis and other pink parts will recover just fine.

Yep, I stand by my first post on this topic - drinking does NOT have to be a big no-no with a low risk scene.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/19/2005 11:47:43 PM   
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Its hard enough to keep private clubs open for lifestyle but add a licence to serve and most all of the items overlooked at a private none drinking club all of a suddent become front and center and different rules and laws provide and bring apart the partisapants in the club as well as the scenes. JMPO

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/20/2005 12:01:53 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

NO ALCOHOL AT ALL

Its hard enough to keep private clubs open for lifestyle but add a licence to serve and most all of the items overlooked at a private none drinking club all of a suddent become front and center and different rules and laws provide and bring apart the partisapants in the club as well as the scenes. JMPO


I agree on the legality issue, but I think we're talking more preferences and personal judgements, things which come into play at private parties or when playing at home.

I'd love all clubs to offer full penetration, full sex, full nudity and more. I understand that legally it's just not practical or feasible to do it now for the most part- but I certainly feel it's a great thing and support it nonetheless.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/25/2005 11:29:57 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: CupofIronsXana

It's one thing to feel intoxicated during the height of a scene or in the aftermath, but it's not cool to be intoxicated before starting....imo.


This is an interesting point to me. By the end of a good scene, both participants are in an altered state. Does this mean it is ok to have something that further alters the state before playing? How do the two interact? Alcohol is a "downer" and playing (for me at least) is an "upper." Do they cancel each other out? I'd be interested in an answer to that from someone who does drink and play.

I will not allow alcohol for either myself or any sub I play with around the time for a scene, due to the incidents I cited in my earlier post. I do feel uncomfortable around random people who have been drinking and are playing. On the other hand, if I know the person and have seen them handle a few drinks in a vanilla setting, I'm more comfortable with them drinking and playing. When you don't know someone, you do not know they are responsible enough to know when they are really safe to play and when it is the alcohol talking. While I don't care what people do at home with people who know and trust them, it is uncomfortable when they bring it into a public venue.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/25/2005 2:26:32 PM   
FindingYou


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ORIGINAL: Darthbetta

That makes sense sub4hire, but why not a "consent form" and vaiver of liability in that case ? ?


Waivers are pretty much moot. If someone wants to sue you, they can and will despite of any paper they may have signed.

I dont drink and play, it would depend on the game that was being played, weather or not drinking was acceptable - if for example the sub where serving drinks, and then being spanked for spilling one or something of that nature, I dont think a few beer would hurt the outcome (or the sub) in that case...

But if play where of much higher intensity, then nobody participating should have been drinking...

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 2/25/2005 4:35:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh well, I guess we live in a sanitised world, don't we? Pooper scoopers, safety police, Judiciaphobia (fear of legal action - I made it up). Fuck it, let's go back to vanilla.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 8/29/2006 4:01:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too would have to say i am in the middle.

There is no way i would drink at a public party, but i never drink in public anyway. But if we are home and Master or i have had a beer or a drink (Mistress does not drink) i see no problem with this. We know each other too well, and neither of us would attempt to scene if we had consumed more than that.

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 8/29/2006 5:12:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I always believe a drunk dick has no conscience. So when I go to parties.. if achohol is served.. I leave quickly. For my safety... of not only body.. but mind. 

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 8/29/2006 5:13:57 AM   
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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 8/29/2006 5:24:13 AM   
twicehappy


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I always believe a drunk dick has no conscience.


Scooter's dick has no memory (it could have gotten some 3 minutes ago and it will swear it has not been laid since it cannot remember when) but it has a conscience as it will only play with family members.
 
So i never mind if it has had a drink, well that one eyed drunken leer could be disturbing.......

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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 8/29/2006 5:43:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		For any play heavier or more involved than a few playful swats on the behind, leave any drinking for AFTERWARDS, if at all. Control, aim, judgement are essential and drink impairs all of them far earlier than most folks realise.

And yep, Americans ARE usualy OTT on the subject of drink, but where play is concerned, I damn well agree with them!


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RE: Drinking, Doming, and scening... OK ? or NO WAY - 8/29/2006 6:33:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't want my focus relaxed by anything, but that is my own preference.  I wouldn't play with anyone who had had even a few beers. 

It's not a matter of morals or judgment with me, but clarity and focus. 

...and I love the taste of Sangria laced with undiluted grape juice concentrate, lol.  I love the taste of the syrupy sweet alcohols, but dislike that heavy, warm, slow feeling that comes with them.

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